Posted on 08/12/2013 7:06:42 PM PDT by neverdem
Yeah I hate that too. One simply refused to believe even the possibility that anyone anywhere could have any adverse reaction to Aspartame, even though there were 3 or 4 of us on the thread with our personal testimonials.
I can’t even let this one go by. I have been studying both sides of this debate for the last 25 years. I would ask you to consider the facts of just one of the, “life saving vaccines”, for Pertussis aka whooping cough. Between 1900 and 1935, mortality rates due to whooping cough dropped by 79 percent in the United States. Yet, the vaccine (DTP and DTaP) wasn’t introduced until 1940.
Today, those who have been “immunized” are the most susceptible to whooping cough. Researchers with the CDC publicly stated in 2002 that, “the number of infants dying from whooping cough is rising, despite record high vaccination levels.” In 2009, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution recognized the trend too. In the article titled, “Whooping Cough Vaccine not as Powerful as Thought,” the publication highlighted a recent cluster of 18 whooping cough-infected students. Seventeen of those students – 95% of those infected – had been immunized with five doses of DTaP vaccine.”
This is repeated vaccine after vaccine. The most damaging as of late is the HPV. The horror stories of this vaccine are terrifying. The benefits minimal. The lead researcher for Merck on this vaccine turned against the vaccine when she saw the outcomes. Please do your due diligence before immunizing those you love. I have MD friends who do not immunize their children, they aren’t drinking the kool aid the government is giving them.
Yep. The poor guy doesn’t get it when he’s being teased.
(Not like that’s ever happened to me, of course!)
There's study after showing that fructose is metabolized differently from glucose. Fructose promotes de novo lipogenesis, especially in he gut.
Not according the the scientists employed directly by ADM, corn farmers or working for corn growing states’ universities!
Sooooo, if a farmer want fat pigs and steers, why does the feed ‘em corn, hmmmm?
Nice that the post where I clearly set up the tease, did the tease and then made a possibly significant scientific observation that he inspired by his experience got nuked, though...
I have to agree with dirtboy on this one. While studies may show what NAV said, it causes a whole lot of gas in me. So, for the sake of getting along with others, I have had to skip it.
Yes, and it was CRYSTAL CLEAR that I did as well, in my set-up to the tease, which so deeply offended him.
How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?
The video is about an hour, but well worth the time.
amen
Are you sure that it's HFCS causing those problems, and not another sweetener?
Sorbitol and xylitol are commonly used as sweeteners, and do have the exact effect that you describe. They are metabolized very slowly by your body, but the bacteria in your gut like them just fine. When the bacteria eat those sweeteners, they produce a lot of gas. Plus, those sweeteners cause an influx of fluid into your gut, which has laxative properties. It does not take a large dose to get those effects; chewing a few sticks of sugar-free gum will do the trick.
Given that sucrose is exactly 50% fructose/50% glucose, and HFCS has variable portions of both sugars (the most common HFCS has 55% fructose/45% sucrose), there is no biochemical basis for HFCS to have that effect on you if sugar and honey do not. Honey is almost identical to HFCS, except that it also has the flavor components added thanks to its being regurgitated by bees. Agave syrup, a popular "natural" sucrose substitute, is almost all fructose.
Since fructose is sweeter than sugar, the total quantity of sugar used can be decreased to get the same level of sweet taste. Thus, anything made with higher quantities of fructose should have less sugar overall. This may not equate to fewer calories, since other ingredients may be added to make up the bulk lost by decreasing the sugar.
I wouldn’t put too much weight on the slightly different metabolic pathways taken by fructose vs. glucose. Humans have always consumed both sugars. The only thing going on with many of these studies is that the metabolism of fructose has been scrutinized closely, and interpreted as if its consumption is something new. It is not. Honey (identical to HFCS, but with bee flavoring) was consumed long before humans discovered sucrose.
Don’t mistake a lowered death rate for lowered incidence of a disease. Mortality rates declined because health care improved between those years, but the disease itself did not go away. Children still got whooping cough, many of them still died, and many others were permanently brain damaged by the disease.
The original whooping cough vaccine, made from killed Bordatella pertussis was extremely effective and induced long-lasting immunity. However, it caused some very uncomfortable side-effects, such as fever. Because of the side-effects, a new “acellular” pertussis vaccine was introduced in the 1990s, containing only a few proteins extracted from the bacteria. It does not cause the side-effects, but it only induces immunity for a few years. In order to keep the immunity active, boosters need to be administered periodically. Right now, pregnant women are advised to get a pertussis booster every time they are pregnant, in order to protect their newborns. Anyone anticipating being around a newborn is also recommended to get a pertussis booster. Whooping cough is most fatal in newborns, since they are born with a very undeveloped immune system and cannot fight off the bacteria.
Also, there are no credible horror stories for the HPV vaccine. It has only been around for about a decade, but studies show that the incidence of HPV is already dropping. In other words, it is a public health success.
I have no idea why some people are so driven to defend a stupid sweetener that is viable mainly because of a stupid sugar embargo. I know what I experienced about 30 years ago in figuring this out.
What was the big push right after Obama’s first election? I can’t remember the name but it was all panic in the media about some super virus.
I'll put it this way: there is no biochemical mechanism that could possibly explain that. To your body, mixtures of fructose and glucose are identical whether they come from table sugar, HFCS, or honey. The same enzymes digest them all. If you cannot digest fructose, I would expect to see those symptoms when you consume any sugar that contains fructose--including table sugar.
When you eat a sugar that you cannot digest, the symptoms are similar to what you describe. Lactose (milk sugar) is one such sugar, for many people. The sugar in beans is another. The non-sugar sweeteners sorbitol and xylitol have that effect, too.
Seriously. You are questioning my personal, direct experience where I eliminated a major cause of gas in my diet through reading labels. And you say there is no biochemical mechanism? My personal biochemical mechanisms beg to differ, and that is far more real than any jibberish you can post in the internet. And please, stuff it. I really don't care about your defense of HFCS. I just avoid it where I can, and that works for me.
And please, never respond to me again on FR on this subject.
It is a habit of mine to respond when people post scientific nonsense. If you do not want me to respond to it, do not post it. Furthermore, I do not keep a list of names of scientific illiterates who do not want to be educated.
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