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Relics unearthed in Turkey may contain piece of Jesus' cross
Fox News ^ | August 01, 2013

Posted on 08/01/2013 9:26:53 AM PDT by Sopater

Archeologists conducting excavations at the site of a church in Turkey have unearthed a stone chest containing a relic that may be part of the cross on which Jesus was crucified.

The items were discovered during a large-scale excavation at the Balatlar Church, which was built in A.D. 660 near the Black Sea, Today's Zaman reported.

Professor Gülgün Köroğlu, an associate professor at Turkey's Mimar Sinan Fine Arts University and excavation leader, told the newspaper the artifacts are linked to Jesus' crucifixion.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: balatlarchurch; christianity; constantine; cross; flaviaiuliahelena; godsgravesglyphs; history; holysepulchre; jesus; relics; truecross; turkey
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There is an old saying... “There are enough pieces of the True Cross to rebuild Noah’s Ark!”
1 posted on 08/01/2013 9:26:53 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Many ‘old sayings’ are false.


2 posted on 08/01/2013 9:27:59 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sopater

Is there any evidence which points to the Apostles taking pieces of the cross with them as they spread the word far and wide?


3 posted on 08/01/2013 9:31:17 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Portcall24

Not that I am aware of... They were probably pretty disgusted by it for several days.


4 posted on 08/01/2013 9:32:16 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Still, there was a time when it seemed every medieval monastery had what was said to be a sliver of The True Cross, the raw mass of all these bits of wood would suffice to build a modern suburban house at the very least.


5 posted on 08/01/2013 9:32:52 AM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Many ‘old sayings’ are false.

So are many relics of the "true cross".
6 posted on 08/01/2013 9:32:54 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

Some comedian did a routine about Jesus returning to Earth, only to find people worshipping the CROSS he was crucified on, even wearing it around their necks .


7 posted on 08/01/2013 9:33:19 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

Anyone else been watching Zero Hour?


8 posted on 08/01/2013 9:37:58 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: null and void

Someone actually did a study on this, he found that the splinters added up to a relatively small piece of wood. I have seen a relic of the True Cross which belonged to Padre Pio, it is tiny.


9 posted on 08/01/2013 9:38:14 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Sopater

Right next to the rudder off Noah’s Ark and that leg from Nero’s coffee table...


10 posted on 08/01/2013 9:38:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: UCANSEE2
Martin Mull on Fernwood tonight did a hilarious bid about a couple whose son was taken in by a "cult"

'They dress funny, all in black moo-moos, and burn candles, they wear a torture device around their necks'

Their son was a priest.

11 posted on 08/01/2013 9:38:41 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (0bama lied, Stevens died, now 0bama covers up the lies.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

and just as many are true....that’s why they are old sayings


12 posted on 08/01/2013 9:40:39 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: null and void; Sopater
John Calvin's claims about "true cross relics" were based on his own prejudices and suppositions ... When put to actual test, his claims were found to be without foundation. True Cross ... I know: Wikipedia. Take it for what it's worth.
13 posted on 08/01/2013 9:42:33 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: UCANSEE2

They would KNOW where their salvation CAME FROM.


14 posted on 08/01/2013 9:43:14 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Nifster

To be blunt: this one is false.


15 posted on 08/01/2013 9:43:34 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sopater
Lotsa good books ahead...

Jesus Was Toast

Jesus Finds His Niche

Jesus Rocks

16 posted on 08/01/2013 9:44:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ArrogantBustard

hyperbole is neither true nor false it is a rhetorical device.....in case you didn’t know


17 posted on 08/01/2013 9:47:45 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
Ah, yes: "I was just kidding"

Frequently the last refuge of the scoundrel.

18 posted on 08/01/2013 9:49:32 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’ve got Abraham Lincoln’s McCulloch chainsaw.
I know what you’re thinking, but it came with a Certificate of Authenticity.


19 posted on 08/01/2013 9:52:35 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I won’t disagree, but the point of the statement has more to do with the number of false relics that have accumulated.


20 posted on 08/01/2013 9:52:53 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: ArrogantBustard

happens to me all the time....

you take things way to seriously. no doubt heart disease is already in progress. I mean really lighten up a bit will you


21 posted on 08/01/2013 9:53:09 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: UCANSEE2

“...worshipping the cross...”

Wearing a reminder of what Jesus went through is not an act of worship. It is a reminder of Jesus’ sacrifice. This does not constitute worship. it helps a person stay recollected because there are many distractions in modern life.


22 posted on 08/01/2013 9:53:12 AM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Nifster
To be blunt: this one is false.

I imagine that Mr. Calvin forgot to add his /sarcasm tag.
23 posted on 08/01/2013 9:54:56 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

Perhaps you should do a little research. Even just a tiny bit ... follow the link I provided upthread.


24 posted on 08/01/2013 9:55:10 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: tumblindice

I thought it was George that cut down the Cherry Tree...not Lincoln. /s


25 posted on 08/01/2013 9:56:20 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Sopater

Cool.


26 posted on 08/01/2013 9:57:20 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Sopater

In 348 A.D., St Helen learned that relics from Calvary were being held near Jerusalem. She went there and brought back some artifacts. The relics are in a very old church built to house them in Rome. The original church columns (still in use) have been dated to 400 A.D.

The relics include a purported thorn from the Crown, two pieces of the Holy Cross, a nail from the Cross, and a piece of the Cross of the Good Thief. Also, a piece of wood believed to be half of the marker from the top of the Cross was found hidden in a wall in the church in 1492. The inscription on the wood is very interesting.

The name of the church is Santa Croce in Gerusalemme. The photos on the net are impressive too, but seeing those things in person is very moving, whatever their provenance. This church is one of my favorite stops in Rome. There is also a full-length backlit replica of the Shroud of Turin in this church. It is stunning.


27 posted on 08/01/2013 9:57:38 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: ArrogantBustard
...the last refuge of the scoundrel.

I thought that that was patriotism.
28 posted on 08/01/2013 9:57:45 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater; Nifster
Even if Mr. Calvin was deliberately employing hyperbole, the underlying point (that the mass of "true cross relics" added together exceeds a reasonable estimate of the mass of the whole "true cross") is still false.

Sorry, guys.

If you want to live your lives wallowing in false "black legend", that's your problem. Don't expect not to be reproved for it.

Have a blessed day.

29 posted on 08/01/2013 9:59:56 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: tumblindice

You know those wacky Turks
They’re knocking-off stuff all the time.

Star Wars
Star Trek
The Cross of the Son of God...


30 posted on 08/01/2013 10:01:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sopater

This interwebs thingy has offered scoundrels many new, previously undreamt of avenues for attempting to escape their knavery.


31 posted on 08/01/2013 10:01:58 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Perhaps you should do a little research. Even just a tiny bit ... follow the link I provided upthread.

I did... surely you don't believe that all relics are certainly from the "true cross" until the point is reached where their sum is greater than that of an actual cross, right?
32 posted on 08/01/2013 10:02:07 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
Dispersal of relics of the True Cross.

Enjoy.

33 posted on 08/01/2013 10:04:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Nifster
If you want to live your lives wallowing in false "black legend", that's your problem. Don't expect not to be reproved for it.

Scepticism is "black legend"? Who knew...
34 posted on 08/01/2013 10:05:37 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You’re going to ask me to read it twice? No thanks.


35 posted on 08/01/2013 10:06:12 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
Read it a third time if necessary for comprehension. Here:

Conflicting with this is the finding of Charles Rohault de Fleury, who, in his Mémoire sur les instruments de la Passion 1870 made a study of the relics in reference to the criticisms of Calvin and Erasmus. He drew up a catalogue of all known relics of the True Cross showing that, in spite of what various authors have claimed, the fragments of the Cross brought together again would not reach one-third that of a cross which has been supposed to have been three or four meters in height, with transverse branch of two meters wide, proportions not at all abnormal. He calculated: supposing the Cross to have been of pine-wood (based on his microscopic analysis of the fragments) and giving it a weight of about seventy-five kilograms, we find the original volume of the cross to be 0.178 cubic meters. The total known volume of known relics of the True Cross, according to his catalogue, amounts to approximately 0.004 cubic meters (more specifically 3,942,000 cubic millimeters), leaving a volume of 0.174 cubic meters lost, destroyed, or otherwise unaccounted for.

Have you seen that paragraph before? Do you understand it?

Again, Have a blessed day.

36 posted on 08/01/2013 10:09:09 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: tumblindice
I’ve got Abraham Lincoln’s McCulloch chainsaw. I know what you’re thinking, but it came with a Certificate of Authenticity.

You must have gotten it from the same place where I got my painting of "Dogs Playing Poker" by Leonardo da Vinci.

37 posted on 08/01/2013 10:09:19 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes, I have and I do.

You have a blessed day, too.

Thanks.


38 posted on 08/01/2013 10:10:05 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

The Shroud of Turin sure was kept in mighty good condition. I am a skeptical person but have learned of nothing which proves it is fake. Quite the contrary, especially with the most recent study by those bending over backwards to prove it’s fake but couldn’t.


39 posted on 08/01/2013 10:12:37 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: massgopguy

I saw all of it.


40 posted on 08/01/2013 10:13:51 AM PDT by jodyel
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To: GreenHornet

I have a really REALLY REALLY neat penny with Lincoln AND Kennedy’s face engraved on it. I think it was found back in 1974 by a man at a gift shop on an Indian Reservation.


41 posted on 08/01/2013 10:14:21 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Sopater
In 1870, a Frenchman named de Fleury went round the world and counted all the known pieces of the cross. He measured their size and published his findings in a book: Mémoire sur les Instruments de la Passion.

De Fleury rigorously concluded that if all the surviving relics of the True Cross were somehow reassembled there would be AT MOST enough wood to make 1/5 of a cross.

42 posted on 08/01/2013 10:16:28 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Thanks. There is a reference to St. Helen and the church I mentioned above at this link.


43 posted on 08/01/2013 10:16:56 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Sopater

Next they will be saying they found a letter for Jesus from after the Resurrection.

This is such crap.


44 posted on 08/01/2013 10:20:48 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: stonehouse01
"Wearing a reminder of what Jesus went through is not an act of worship. It is a reminder of Jesus’ sacrifice. This does not constitute worship. it helps a person stay recollected because there are many distractions in modern life."

Yes. Comedians are really not known for their theological study or knowledge.

45 posted on 08/01/2013 10:23:15 AM PDT by hummingbird (THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS by Mark Levin. He has a great plan!)
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To: Sopater
Actually, someone studied that contention and the number of slivers amounted to about enough for the cross piece which was usually about half the size of the upright portion. I don't remember the book right now but anyone who cares can easily find the info on the web, I'm sure.
46 posted on 08/01/2013 10:34:36 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Sopater

Mark Twain had a lot to say about religious relics. He claimed to have seen enough nails from the cross to fill a keg!


47 posted on 08/01/2013 10:38:27 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Vermont Lt
Next they will be saying they found a letter for Jesus from after the Resurrection.

Dear Mr. Christ,

YOU may be our NEXT BIG WINNER in the Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes...


48 posted on 08/01/2013 10:38:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Vermont Lt

Wooden artefacts - such as the Schöningen spears - can survive at least 300,000 years in the right conditions.

The cross on which Christ died was a real object. There’s no particular reason why pieces of it can’t survive a mere 2000 years.


49 posted on 08/01/2013 10:41:52 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: tumblindice
am Lincoln’s McCulloch chainsaw.

I have George Washington's hatchet, the one he chopped down the cherry tree with.

The blade has been replaced 7 times and the handle 14 times but it is his hatchet.

50 posted on 08/01/2013 10:46:03 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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