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DOJ: GOVERNMENTS CAN PUNISH HOMESCHOOLERS
WND ^ | 7-02-13 | BOB UNRUH

Posted on 07/31/2013 7:48:51 PM PDT by RWB Patriot

The U.S. Department of Justice has revealed in a court filing it agrees with the philosophy of the German government that bureaucrats can punish homeschooling parents.

The agency contended parental rights to keep children free from instruction that violates faith essentially are negligible when the government’s goal is an “open society.”

The arguments were made in a pleading before the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that urges the judges to send a German homeschooling family, the Romeikes, back to Germany where members likely would face persecution.

“The goal in Germany is for an ‘open, pluralistic society,’” wrote the government’s pleading, signed by Senior Litigation Counsel Robert N. Markle in Washington.

German law, he argued, requires attendance at government schools, and punishment is levied against anyone failing to comply, even due to religious objections.

His argument to the appellate court cited a German court decision, which stated: “The general public has a justified interest in counteracting the development of religiously or philosophically motivated ‘parallel societies’ and in integrating minorities in this area. Integration does not only require that the majority of the population does not exclude religious or ideological minorities, but, in fact, that these minorities do not segregate themselves and that they do not close themselves off to a dialogue with dissenters and people of other beliefs. Dialogue with such minorities is an enrichment for an open pluralistic society. The learning and practicing of this in the sense of experienced tolerance is an important lesson right from the elementary school stage. The presence of a broad spectrum of convictions in a classroom can sustainably develop the ability of all pupils in being tolerant and exercising the dialogue that is a basic requirement of democratic decision-making process.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/doj-governments-can-punish-homeschoolers/#SbOS77Sgpp3AcIJK.99

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; doj; ericholder; frhf; holder; homeschooling; obama
More "wisdom" from Europe for our government to get around the Bill of Rights.

Wonder if we'll be taking something else from Germany in the near future. A certain greeting involving a certain person with a toothbrush mustache.

1 posted on 07/31/2013 7:48:51 PM PDT by RWB Patriot
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To: RWB Patriot

Insanity

The whole world is nits


2 posted on 07/31/2013 7:49:19 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: RWB Patriot

Oh, heck, just say it — governments can punish anyone they want to. We are all toads under the harrow and our government masters hold the whip.


3 posted on 07/31/2013 7:50:41 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: metmom; Tax-chick; Tired of Taxes

grrrrr ping


4 posted on 07/31/2013 7:51:25 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt.)
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To: RWB Patriot

Ah yes. The Committee For Public Safety.

Mr. Robespierre please pick up the white courtesy phone.


5 posted on 07/31/2013 7:52:16 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: All

if anybody doesn’t already know the real reason they are against home schooling is to indoctrinate in the public schools please raise your hand.


6 posted on 07/31/2013 7:53:20 PM PDT by willywill
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To: RWB Patriot

Uncle Adolf would be proud. He won after all.


7 posted on 07/31/2013 7:53:28 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Let's make it our turn in 2014. Vote early and VOTE OFTEN.)
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To: RWB Patriot

“Open Society” is George Soros.


8 posted on 07/31/2013 7:54:09 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: RWB Patriot

Well, get this DOJ, I ain’t having any kids.

You can’t have what I don’t make. You can’t brainwash that which does not exist.


9 posted on 07/31/2013 7:54:11 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: RWB Patriot

” when the government’s goal is an “open society.” “

So, a society is “open” when parents cannot even educate their children as they wish?

I’m telling you, if they come for your children in this country, load your gun and aim.


10 posted on 07/31/2013 7:55:59 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: RWB Patriot

Yet obama’s illegal alien, drunk driving uncle and illegal alien, welfare queen auntie can stay? Things that make you go hmmmmm.


11 posted on 07/31/2013 7:59:49 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Shimmer1

No kidding.

I just pinged out a thread with the same title.

Thanks for the ping anyway. Turns out I missed a bunch between being on vacation and my son’s wedding so I do appreciate the notice.


12 posted on 07/31/2013 8:00:07 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RWB Patriot
“The goal in Germany is for an ‘open, pluralistic regimented statist society,’”

There. Fixed it.

13 posted on 07/31/2013 8:00:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: RWB Patriot

To Holder and the DOJ...

1. This is the USA, not Germany. I don’t care what they do in Germany, it does NOT apply here.

2. I’ll raise my children above the public school system standards. If you have a problem with that, I can get just as nasty as you can.

3. I’m the parent of my children, not you. My children are well cared for, safe and smarter than any of you idiots. You have no right to interject your communist ideals into how my children are raised.

4. Get bent.


14 posted on 07/31/2013 8:09:19 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Viennacon

It’s already happened in New Hampshire - don’t know how it all turned out in the end, but shocking even for the “Live Free or Die” state.

https://johnmcgeough.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/lawyer-for-new-hampshire-home-school-student-files-brilliant-motion/


15 posted on 07/31/2013 8:09:26 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: RWB Patriot

I think the family’s argument is dumb. they should argue instead that they are doing a better job educating the kids and the stinkin Cherman schools can’t do it because of all the idiots, druggies and doofuses that attend


16 posted on 07/31/2013 8:10:01 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: metmom

Oh. I’m only on ARTH, so I guess I missed that ping. Sorry! But I’m thinking of you. :)


17 posted on 07/31/2013 8:11:54 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt.)
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To: yldstrk

They should go to Mexico and cross the border and the whole leadership of both parties can love them


18 posted on 07/31/2013 8:13:19 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: RWB Patriot

If the Germans are so concerned about “non-integrating parallel religious groups” maybe they aught to leave German families alone and STOP IMPORTING SO MANY TURKS.


19 posted on 07/31/2013 8:19:11 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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To: Sioux-san

Apparently, the court and the lawyer cannot spell.
Its ruling, not it’s ruling.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 8:21:21 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: RWB Patriot

The feral government has declared its independence from us, the people. I believe we’ve nearly arrived at the point at which we’ll just have to let it go its own way.


21 posted on 07/31/2013 8:21:33 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Shimmer1

And yet our government wants amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants. But not for this one homeschool family from Germany. Wow.


22 posted on 07/31/2013 8:21:46 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: RWB Patriot

Up yours, E. Holder and Curious George.


23 posted on 07/31/2013 8:25:08 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Shimmer1

ping


24 posted on 07/31/2013 8:30:27 PM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: RWB Patriot

Has Holder ever met a government power he didn’t like and support?


25 posted on 07/31/2013 8:30:57 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: RWB Patriot

So much for Liberty.


26 posted on 07/31/2013 8:41:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RWB Patriot

Germany is a nice country. Good food, nice people, beautiful architecture.

They are socialist. They are ageist, they refuse to go to church and make fun of those who do and they do not marry.

They are not a tolerant and open society, so DOJerks can go over and visit and find out what the hell it is they think they’re talking about.

My religion states as doctrine that it is the parents’ responsibility to educate their children.

That’s logic.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 9:02:27 PM PDT by stanne
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To: RWB Patriot

“The goal in Germany is for an ‘open, pluralistic society’”.

This was clearly Adolf Hitler’s intent when he forbade home schooling. The man was all about pluralism, as long as it was Aryan pluralism.


28 posted on 07/31/2013 10:03:52 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: wonkowasright
Mr. Robespierre please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Definitely a hack job.

All your children are belong to us.

29 posted on 08/01/2013 12:18:38 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: RWB Patriot

Obama and Holder could begin their planned extermination
camps, and the MSM will EAGERLY call them ‘hospitals’.


30 posted on 08/01/2013 2:59:31 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: RWB Patriot
German law, he argued, requires attendance at government schools,

That part is simply not true. Parents can send their children to any number of non-public private schools, parochial schools, Montessori schools, Waldorf schools, and the like. What is correct, though, is that schools must be government accredited to meet some basic educational standards.

31 posted on 08/01/2013 3:01:31 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: RWB Patriot
"The arguments were made in a pleading before the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that urges the judges to send a German homeschooling family, the Romeikes, back to Germany where members likely would face persecution."

Doesn't this violate the very mission statement for America?

32 posted on 08/01/2013 4:52:44 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: RWB Patriot

I believe I read somewhere in that decision that American parents had the right to direct their children’s education even though the court turned down the German parents’ request for asylum.

Where does this jerk Holder and his clown DOJ get the right to “rule” differently?


33 posted on 08/01/2013 5:43:12 AM PDT by goldi
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