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Hagel: Budget cuts could force Navy to sideline 3 aircraft carriers
foxnews.com ^ | 7/31/13 | ap

Posted on 07/31/2013 1:40:46 PM PDT by ColdOne

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned Wednesday that the Pentagon may have to mothball up to three Navy aircraft carriers and order additional sharp reductions in the size of the Army and Marine Corps if Congress doesn't act to avoid massive budget cuts beginning in 2014.

Speaking to Pentagon reporters, and indirectly to Congress, Hagel said that the full result of the sweeping budget cuts over the next 10 years could leave the nation with an ill-prepared, under-equipped military doomed to face more technologically advanced enemies.

In his starkest terms to date, Hagel laid out a worst-case scenario for the U.S. military if the Pentagon is forced to slash more than $50 billion from the 2014 budget and $500 billion over the next 10 years as a result of Congressionally-mandated automatic spending cuts.

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To: StormEye
Sideline three carriers? Don’t kid yourself. Obama would love any excuse to do it.

Exactly. BTTT.

Barky's blowing kisses to his Moo pals in Syria and Egypt. "Look, no more big scary aircraft carriers! I'm disarming the kufr."

61 posted on 08/01/2013 2:11:23 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Cronos
Even down to 9 or 10, that’s enough firepower to take ANYONE on...

Key word: "ANY ONE". We're already stretched too thin. In the 60s and 70's we operated 13-15 aircraft carrier battle groups ..... and we had no naval opponent of any stature. Now we have China to deal with, which is laying out pieces for a setpiece victory over the United States Navy that could end up being a civilizational loss for the West, like Manzikert in the Middle Ages (Turks defeated Byzantine Greeks in a close contest that led eventually to the Greeks' abandonment of eastern Anatolia and the Holy Land, the closure of Jerusalem to Christian pilgrims by the Turks, and the Crusades).

Consequences, consequences. You can't lose one to people like the Chinese.

62 posted on 08/01/2013 2:15:53 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

No, I did not mean any ONE, I mean anyone. The Chinese may be getting powerful, but to oppose them is not just the US, but also Japan, India, Australia, Vietnam, South Korea, Singapore etc.


63 posted on 08/02/2013 3:11:18 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: lentulusgracchus
that could end up being a civilizational loss for the West, like Manzikert in the Middle Ages (Turks defeated Byzantine Greeks in a close contest that led eventually to the Greeks' abandonment of eastern Anatolia and the Holy Land, the closure of Jerusalem to Christian pilgrims by the Turks, and the Crusades).

the problem with that analogy is that the Byzantines were not "Greeks" -- they believed themselve to be Romans, a continuation of Rome. They called themselves Romaoi and the Turks called their land Rum.

also in 1071, the Byzantines held themselves to be the holders of civilisation (there was no "western civilization" in their opinion as the westerners were barbarians, almost as bad as the Saracens)

Also, the analogy is wrong because it was just the Byzantines facing the Turks and the Bulgarians (who technically were Turkic) -- in the present day, China is opposed by a whole string of nations: Japan, India, Australia have navies powerful enough to contain China without American help

64 posted on 08/02/2013 3:14:58 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: ColdOne

Obama will just give them to Al Quaeda, like he did the missiles.


65 posted on 08/02/2013 1:24:54 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Cronos
....also Japan, India, Australia, Vietnam, South Korea, Singapore etc.

That's why the Chicoms have been furiously romancing all the ASEAN countries and trying to become "one of the boys" in all the councils that were originally set up to provide a counterweight to blowhard Chinese foreign-policy claims.

They're pushing Chinese ownership of the South China Sea and East China Sea all the way out beyond the Ryukyus to the toe of the Asian continental slope (for economic reasons, and also to isolate Japan and Taiwan) -- including the water column.

They're also running a constant anti-U.S. commentary intended to encourage Asians to see their interests as separate from those of their allies, and convergent with those of Greater China/the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

66 posted on 08/07/2013 12:19:17 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: ColdOne

The Machiavellian rebel in me says shrink the standing army and navy. Shrivel.


67 posted on 08/07/2013 12:25:07 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cronos
Byzantines facing the Turks and the Bulgarians (who technically were Turkic)

Unless the Huns were Turkic, I don't see how you get there. The Bulgarians were Huns, Goths, and some Slavs, both Southern Slavs and partly-Romanized Romano-Dacians, a.k.a. Getae, who were proto-Slavs and referred to in the Middle Ages as "Vlachs", hence "Wallachia". The Bulgars split into two populations, one of which settled in its modern prebends astride the Danube. The other moved east into the Volga valley, into territories occupied 200-300 years before by the Gothic kingdom until its destruction by the Huns in the late fourth century.

68 posted on 08/07/2013 12:28:37 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: central_va
The Machiavellian rebel in me says shrink the standing army and navy. Shrivel.

Bill Buckley once, 60 years ago, said he'd rather support a stout Defense Department than learn Russian at gunpoint, and Murray Rothbard promptly called him a "totalitarian" in print.

69 posted on 08/07/2013 12:30:34 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: ColdOne

Use them for public housing.

I’d nominate NYC, LA, and Baltimore.

Chicago would be good but they don’t fit in the waterway.


70 posted on 08/07/2013 12:31:32 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: lentulusgracchus
well, the ruling class of the Huns is assumed to be Turkic

but the Bulgarian ruling warriors were Turkic -- reference the Volga Bulgars who still exist in Russia

The Volga Bulgars actually moved west, not the other way around

71 posted on 08/07/2013 12:49:00 PM PDT by Cronos
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