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Americans donít care about the sequester
Washington Post ^ | July 31, 2013 | Sean Sullivan

Posted on 07/31/2013 11:23:02 AM PDT by 11th_VA

It’s been almost five months since across-the-board federal spending cuts known as sequestration began kicking in. And since that time, Americans remain largely unsure about the impact of the cuts. More than half of Americans (54 percent) don’t know enough to say whether sequestration was a good thing or a bad thing for the country, according to a new Gallup poll.

Americans are even more uncertain about the impact on their own lives. Fifty-nine percent say they don’t know whether it was a good or bad thing for them personally. Those numbers are in line with where they were in March. (more at the Post)

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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Folks, this is why the GOP strategy should be to stay with Sequestration, and don't get off on some tangent over defunding Obamacare. Another poll says Americans don't want to see the Gov't shutdown over Obamacare.

This is politics folks. Ride the issue people agree with you on. Let Obamacare take root, then let it fail, but insist on the budget limits agreed to in Sequestration.

1 posted on 07/31/2013 11:23:02 AM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

Americans hate Obamacare. Seems like we are riding the issue people agree with us on by getting rid of it.


2 posted on 07/31/2013 11:24:55 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: 11th_VA

Typical. A lot of “Americans don’t know enough” and “Americans aren’t sure” responses. This happened in ‘08 and ‘12. Ask them who their favorite “Bachelor” is and they’ll rattle off a dozen names.


3 posted on 07/31/2013 11:28:38 AM PDT by albie (re)
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To: ilgipper
>>Americans don’t care about the sequester<<

Oh but yes we do!!!

Cut more, in fact, sequester all day long, every day until 25% of the federal government no longer exist.

Then take all these b@5t@rds at the IRS and putt’em in jail for terrorizing Americans.

4 posted on 07/31/2013 11:29:44 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: ilgipper

Americans hate Obamcare, and they hate Gov’t shutdowns. I’m just saying don’t endanger your standing in the polls doing something Americans don’t like. Use your opposition to Obamacare as an issue, but don’t threaten to shutdown Gov’t - and the press will SAY Republicans shut down Gov’t.


5 posted on 07/31/2013 11:33:55 AM PDT by 11th_VA (It's all about culture, not color)
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To: ilgipper

It isn’t that Americans “hate” Obamacare, they don’t want to be seen as “hating” the architect of the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010”.

Far too circumspect and careful to criticize an obvious flop and failure, because it might be considered “racist”, the sheeple meekly go along, with some expectation that something will turn up so they may continue to muddle through. After all, isn’t there a whole big safety net out there, food stamps, rent subsidies, and mortgage adjustments among a few?

Never mind that the prices are going way higher on energy costs, and indirectly are reflected in the prices of just about everything else. If the money supply had not been artificially pumped up over the past several rounds of “quantitative easing”, we would see interest rates in the range that was common in 1980, the last year of the Carter era, and with the unemployment rates being reported with the same methods of accounting used then, the “misery index” would rival or exceed the state of the nation as of January, 1981.


6 posted on 07/31/2013 11:41:51 AM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: 11th_VA

Well the earth did not stop spinning, and life seems to go on, despite all that Obama claimed it would do so DO IT AGAIN.


7 posted on 07/31/2013 11:48:17 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: 11th_VA

Hey, WaPo: more than half of Americans don’t know enough about Benghazi or the IRS targeting. Who’s fault is that and why?


8 posted on 07/31/2013 11:49:46 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 11th_VA

The sun came up again today
It certainly didn’t keep the tax man away
Obama vacations went on without a hitch
Boy that sequester was tough, huh?


9 posted on 07/31/2013 11:53:21 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: servantboy777

It’s too bad the sequester doesn’t apply to the king’s vacations and golf outings.


10 posted on 07/31/2013 11:55:13 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: servantboy777
Cut more, in fact, sequester all day long, every day until 25% of the federal government no longer exist.

You're far too generous; what we ought to do is cut every federal government agency not (a) specifically mandated, or be entirely due directly to enforcement/implementation of something directly in the constitution… and then look to trim those down as well.

The above would leave only a few agencies/departments:

  1. Army,
  2. Navy,
  3. IRS (they do collect taxes; and the 16th Amendment is part of the constitution),
  4. Post Office,
  5. Secret Service (they investigate counterfeiting; mentioned in the Constitution)
  6. DOT (providing for roads is mentioned in the constitution)
That said:
-- Strip the SS of all duties protecting politicians; they are to only be about pursuing counterfeiting operations,
-- Alter the DOT to be more emphasized on keeping the roads clear and under repair,
-- Take a serious, hard look at the 2-year limitation on Army funding.

That's how you cut down government.

11 posted on 07/31/2013 11:58:49 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 11th_VA
but insist on the budget limits agreed to in Sequestration

Excuse me pal, but in doing so you're basically telling me that I have to support sequestration and agree to the government taking 20% of my pay and not worrying about it.

NOT ON YOUR LIFE! Go peddle your ridiculous ideas somewhere else.

12 posted on 07/31/2013 12:15:06 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: GeronL
Boy that sequester was tough, huh?

Yes it is!. A 20% pay cut because the government can't cut funding elsewhere.

13 posted on 07/31/2013 12:18:27 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: OneWingedShark

I agree almost entirely except you have to include all of DOD. If airflight was posisble in the days of the Founding Fathers they would have authorized it. Defense is a legitimate function of government.

There are also other pieces of defense buried in other agencies (Centers for disease control, national institutes of health are two that come to mind.)

But the bottom line is the same. Get the fedgov out of anything not authorized by the Constitution.


14 posted on 07/31/2013 12:31:28 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ducttape45

Sequestration is a very good thing (the budget must be cut somehow). But we need to cut those areas that are not constitutional. If you work for an unconstitutional agency then I suggest you change agencies to get into the legitimate part of government.

I’m taking the cut too, and I don’t like it, but how else are we going to decrease the size of government?


15 posted on 07/31/2013 12:33:54 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: 11th_VA
*****Grammar nerd alert!!!!*******

"Americans don’t care about the sequester"

Yeah, but what to they think about the sequestration, hmmmmm?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

16 posted on 07/31/2013 12:35:03 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: 11th_VA
don't get off on some tangent over defunding Obamacare

Tanget?

TANGENT?

17 posted on 07/31/2013 12:35:16 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: John O
I agree almost entirely except you have to include all of DOD.

No, you don't: Marines are Navy, and Air Force could be rolled back int the Army Air Corp.

If airflight was posisble in the days of the Founding Fathers they would have authorized it. Defense is a legitimate function of government.

It may be legitimate, but Army and Navy are the only ones authorized by the Constitution -- if you want more, then an amendment should be adopted. BTW, this would shake up the whole defense industry [corporations], and that might be a good thing.

There are also other pieces of defense buried in other agencies (Centers for disease control, national institutes of health are two that come to mind.)

*shrug* -- Sucks to be them.

But the bottom line is the same. Get the fedgov out of anything not authorized by the Constitution

Wait, here you are arguing not exactly following the constitution and ending with a get govt out of things not authorized by the constitution?
That's pretty inconsistent. (Also, if something is really needed and proper to the federal government, then there's no reason not to use a Constitutional amendment.)

18 posted on 07/31/2013 12:41:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 11th_VA
"Sequester" - another carefully picked term by the politicians to help confuse the public and obfuscate what the politicians, Left mainly, are up to, in true Orwellian, "1984" style.

"Americans don't care about the sequester" because half don't even know what they're talking about.

19 posted on 07/31/2013 1:03:49 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: OneWingedShark

>>That’s how you cut down government.<<

Yea, we can dream can’t we.

As far as the IRS, go to a national sales tax, flat or whatever and cut this agency to the bone.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 1:18:16 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: OneWingedShark
jo->I agree almost entirely except you have to include all of DOD.

OWS->No, you don't: Marines are Navy, and Air Force could be rolled back int the Army Air Corp.

Good points. I had forgotten that Air Force started as part of Army. The end result is the same however, we preserve our defensive capabilities.

JO->There are also other pieces of defense buried in other agencies (Centers for disease control, national institutes of health are two that come to mind.)

OWS->*shrug* -- Sucks to be them.

These defense agenices need to be moved back into DOD where they belong. These are legitimate Army functions.

JO->But the bottom line is the same. Get the fedgov out of anything not authorized by the Constitution

OWS->Wait, here you are arguing not exactly following the constitution and ending with a “get govt out of things not authorized by the constitution”? That's pretty inconsistent. (Also, if something is really needed and proper to the federal government, then there's no reason not to use a Constitutional amendment.)

I see no inconsistency in maintaining the means to "provide for the common defense"

21 posted on 07/31/2013 1:21:42 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
I work for the DoD at a local military. It's not an unconstitutional agency.

But it pisses me off when I see people making blanket statements like "we must have sequestration" when they don't realize how badly it's hurting the little guy, like me.

I barely pull in $22,000 a year. The 11 days off will cost me over $1,337. And while that may not seem like a large figure, the fact that it comes in a short amount of time does hurt me, greatly. That's 3 months of rent I now have to figure out to pay. And if involuntary reductions in force kick in starting in FY 2014, I could be out of a job entirely.

Yes, cuts need to be made, but until people wise up and stop blaming people like me for the mess the country is in I will not be silent about their ignorance, stupidity and just plain ole blindness to the real problem.

22 posted on 07/31/2013 2:33:01 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: John O
I see no inconsistency in maintaining the means to "provide for the common defense"

The provide for the common defense is the Army and Navy; if these are inadequate then the Constitution should be changed.
The NSA is a good example of defense and security winning out over the Constitution, specifically it is an extraconstitutional entity [that is not defined by the constitution] and it behaves like the Constitution has no authority over it, hence the whoesale disregard of the 4th Amendment that's come to light.

My point on strict-consstitutionalism is that it really is a slippery slope to allow things indirectly justified; the FISA court and it's operations are a complete violation of the 6th Amendment, for example. Sure it took 200 years to slide this much now, but if we were to repair/reseat things we wouldn't want to leave the leaks.

23 posted on 07/31/2013 4:20:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ducttape45
I work for the DoD at a local military. It's not an unconstitutional agency.

I'd say it's an extraconstitutional agency: one not defined by the Constitution, though one could argue that it was commissioned by the constitution there is a good argument that the Army and Navy are directly mentioned/authorized/commissioned in the Constitution.

But it pisses me off when I see people making blanket statements like "we must have sequestration" when they don't realize how badly it's hurting the little guy, like me.

Get pissed at the government that cannot be bothered to handle finances responsibly: not people that say things need reigned in.
The best way to correct our over-spending is to limit debt-incurance. Something like these two amendments would go a long way to straightening out government:

Fiscal Responsibility Amendment Tax Reform Amendment
Section I
The power of Congress to regulate the value of the dollar is hereby repealed.

Section II
The value of the Dollar shall be one fifteen-hundredth avoirdupois ounce of gold of which impurities do not exceed one part per thousand.

Section III
To guard against Congress using its authority over weights and measures to bypass Section I, the ounce in Section II is approximately 28.3495 grams (SI).

Section IV
The Secretary of the Treasury shall annually report the gold physically in its possession; this report shall be publicly available.

Section V
The power of the Congress to assume debt is hereby restricted: the congress shall assume no debt that shall cause the total obligations of the United States to exceed one hundred ten percent of the amount last reported by the Secretary of the Treasury.

Section VI
Any government agent, officer, judge, justice, employee, representative, or congressman causing gold to be confiscated from a private citizen shall be tried for theft and upon convection shall:
     a. be removed from office (and fired, if an employee),
     b. forfeit all pension and retirement benefits,
     c. pay all legal costs, and
     d. restore to the bereaved twice the amount in controversy.

Section VII
The federal government shall assume no obligation lacking funding, neither shall it lay such obligation on any of the several States, any subdivision thereof, or any place under the jurisdiction of the United States. All unfunded liabilities heretofore assumed by the United States are void.

Section VIII
The federal government shall make all payments to its employees or the several states in physical gold. Misappropriation, malfeasance and/or misfeasance of funds shall be considered confiscation.
Section I
No tax, federal or state, shall ever be withheld from the wages of a worker of any citizen of either.

Section II
No property shall be seized for failure to pay taxes until after conviction in a jury trial; the right of the jury to nullify (and thereby forgive) this debt shall never be questioned or denied.

Section III
The second amendment is hereby recognized as restricting the power of taxation, both federal and state, therefore no tax (or fine) shall be laid upon munitions or the sale thereof.

Section IV
The seventh amendment is also hereby recognized, and nothing in this amendment shall restrict the right of a citizen to seek civil redress.

Section V
No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever exceed 10%.

Section VI
No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever apply varying rates to those in its jurisdiction.

Section VII
No retroactive or ex post facto tax (or fee) shall ever be valid.

Section VIII
The congress may not delegate the creation of any tax or fine in any way.

Section IX
No federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent shall ever be exempt from any tax, fine, or fee by virtue of their position.

Section X
Any federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent applying, attempting to apply, or otherwise causing the application of an ex post facto or retroactive law shall, upon conviction, be evicted from office and all retirement benefits forfeit.

24 posted on 07/31/2013 4:26:40 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: servantboy777
See Post 24 for how to cut the IRS down to size.
25 posted on 07/31/2013 4:28:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 11th_VA

I work on an Army base, and even if you can’t feel the effects of sequestration in your living room, trust me, they are being felt here.

That could’ve been Obummer’s plan all along. He found out a way to weaken our military and screw our soldiers and all with Republican support.

I wouldn’t be so quick to throw Obummer into the briar patch next time.


26 posted on 08/01/2013 3:36:17 AM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: frickin_frackin

Remember that the Sequester “Deal” was a total GOP cave on the debt ceiling.


27 posted on 08/01/2013 3:42:03 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: 11th_VA
I’m just saying don’t endanger your standing in the polls doing something Americans don’t like.

God forbid if they just did what was right, regrdless of polls.

28 posted on 08/01/2013 4:41:26 AM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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