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Disobeying the Neighborhood Watch Rule to 'Stay In Your Car'
Townhall.com ^ | July 24, 2013 | Donald Lambro

Posted on 07/24/2013 11:28:57 AM PDT by Kaslin

The polarizing racial and legal debate over George Zimmerman's acquittal in the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager in Florida has been turned into a national political issue that's not going away anytime soon.

President Obama's made sure of that in his public plea to the nation Friday to "do some soul-searching" over what led to the killing of this 17-year-old and whether we can "learn some lessons from this and move in a positive direction."

I've been one of Obama's persistent policy critics from the beginning of his presidency. But I have to say I found his measured, sensitive remarks very moving as he talked of our nation's racial history and the troubling, personal experiences he endured as a young African-American man making his way through life.

He certainly identified with Trayvon Martin, saying in his earliest remarks on the shooting that if he had a son, he'd look like Martin.

"Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago," he said in the White House press room last week.

Clearly, the president felt he had to address this tragic, incomprehensible loss of a young life in much deeper and broader terms that reflected the nation's racial history and the Stand Your Ground law under which Zimmerman was found not guilty.

In the end, a jury of six women concluded that this gun-carrying, self-appointed neighborhood watch volunteer's act didn't merit conviction for either second degree murder, nor the lesser manslaughter charge.

There were hints in the aftermath of their decision that some of the jurors believed that Zimmerman was guilty of some crime but in the final analysis they accepted the defense argument that he feared for his life in the fight that occurred before he shot Martin in the chest.

Still, for this reporter, the story that unfolded on the night Trayvon Martin was walking to his father's home in the gated community in Sanford, Fla., is awash with troubling facts that made this killing so senseless.

The defense focused its case on the fierce fight at the end of their encounter and not at the beginning when George Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Stalk might be a more accurate word.

This wannabe policeman -- who has a history of getting into trouble with the law -- was sitting in his car when he spotted Trayvon, then called the 911 police dispatcher to tell her, "He looks suspicious."

Is this racial profiling? The prosecution thought so. What was suspicious about him? He wore a hooded pullover as he walked home after getting a soft drink and some candy at a local convenience store. But he hadn't done anything wrong and not an iota of evidence was offered in court to the contrary.

"Are you following him?" the police dispatcher asked Zimmerman who replied that he was. "Don't do that," she said, ordering him to stay in his car.

I was a neighborhood watch volunteer for several years in my local community and one of the ironclad rules was "Never leave your car" under any circumstances when you see suspicious or criminal activities. Call the police first and report what you see. Zimmerman, who had delusions that he was in law enforcement, disobeyed this order.

He tracked Martin through the community until at some point the two were engaged in a fight. Zimmerman said he was attacked first by young Martin, but the prosecution said he was lying and that Zimmerman had precipitated the confrontation.

Certainly, Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, and not the other way around. Trayvon, frightened at the prospect of a burly stranger following him in the dark, stopped and turned to confront him, and one thing led to another.

But Florida legislators say that their Stand Your Ground law cannot be a defense for anyone to pursuing someone else. State Rep. Dennis Baxley says "There's nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue and confront people." Florida state Sen. Durrell Peadon, a sponsor of the law, flatly says Zimmerman "has no protection under my law."

The president addressed this issue in his remarks last week. "I just ask people to consider if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman, who had followed him in a car, because he felt threatened."

I believe Stand Your Ground laws are needed but do they apply to George Zimmerman's case?

Florida's law -- similar to the ones enacted in more than 20 states -- says individuals may use deadly force if "he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another."

The law does allow people in certain instances to pursue and confront others and those provisions may be in need of tightening. But did Zimmerman believe such force was "necessary to prevent [his] imminent death or great bodily hard to himself"?

The medical examiner who looked at Zimmerman's head wounds testified that neither they, nor the bloody nose he got from Trayvon's blows, were "life threatening."

Besides, in this altercation, Zimmerman, who insisted he feared for his life, clearly had the upper hand: his gun.

He could have pulled out his gun during the wrestling match, stopped the fight, and called 911 for the police. But what would he have said? I was following Trayvon and he jumped me?

With his gun trained on Trayvon, he could have left the scene and gone to the police to report what happened. He could have fired into his leg or his shoulder to subdue him. He had several defensive advantages over this unarmed, frightened youth, but he chose only one.

Zimmerman pressed the barrel of his gun into Trayvon's chest just over his heart, pulled the trigger and killed him, because, as the prosecution said, he wanted to.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: donaldlambro; fakebutaccurate; georgezimmerman; lyingliar; mythmaking; racerelations; racialprofiling; revisionisthistory; trayvonmartin
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1 posted on 07/24/2013 11:28:57 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

When was Donald’s mental retardation first diagnosed?


2 posted on 07/24/2013 11:30:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: Kaslin

Another ignorant lying Trayvon pops off. (yawn)


3 posted on 07/24/2013 11:32:06 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Kaslin

Yawn. Another overly emotional moron who didn’t bother learning the facts of the case.


4 posted on 07/24/2013 11:33:15 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kaslin

I don’t care if this hob is with the Washington times. He is a moron. His view of the world is one of fear and hiding. Don’t get out of your car. Only peek out the windows. Never go outside. The bad guys might get you.

What a libtard. As far as I am concerned it is idiots like him that have led us to where we currently are


5 posted on 07/24/2013 11:33:29 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Kaslin

“”Are you following him?” the police dispatcher asked Zimmerman who replied that he was. “Don’t do that,” she said, ordering him to stay in his car. “

This statement is factually incorrect and thus invalidates the rest of the crap. If the writer is too lazy to fact-check, then he has no business being published.


6 posted on 07/24/2013 11:33:59 AM PDT by bigbob
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Donald, he was far from “unarmed” in the eyes of the law.

How hard is it to understand?

Don’t want to get shot? Don’t put the beatdown on an armed man.


7 posted on 07/24/2013 11:34:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When was Donald’s mental retardation first diagnosed?

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8 posted on 07/24/2013 11:35:00 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (o : Tagline Test ; -)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When was Donald’s mental retardation first diagnosed?

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Probably at conception. When his racial makeup was determined also.


9 posted on 07/24/2013 11:35:15 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obviously Mr Lambro has never been pinned down by a large adult person while having his head repeatedly smashed into concrete. Probably hasn’t been in a fight since the playground in the 4th grade.

His Monday morning quarterbacking indicates a gross ignorance of street fighting and the lethally fatal actions that occur.

He has watched too many movies and seen too little of real life.


10 posted on 07/24/2013 11:36:23 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Kaslin

Dispatchers are not law enforcement officers. One does not need to complete the police academy to be a dispatcher. As such, dispatchers shall not give legal orders to callers.

GZ was under no obligation to listen to what the dispatcher said.

Additionally, the “dispatcher” was a volunteer manning the non-emergency number. They are required by law to forward emergency calls to emergency dispatch if they feel there’s a problem. The very fact that the volunteer did not forward the call indicates that no emergency was present or indicated.

The left needs to give this shit up. It’s over.


11 posted on 07/24/2013 11:36:36 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Kaslin
I seem to remember this Don Lambro. He always seemed like a jerk. Having had a Negro try to carve my face up and on the patrol ride looking for him found a white couple assaulted with attempted robbery also done by... African Americans, I can understand why people clutch their wallets and click the locks on their car doors.

NO GUILT TRIP FOR ME!

12 posted on 07/24/2013 11:36:37 AM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Kaslin
I was a neighborhood watch volunteer for several years in my local community and one of the ironclad rules was "Never leave your car" under any circumstances when you see suspicious or criminal activities.

well now, thats convenient...naw, not buying it.

13 posted on 07/24/2013 11:36:47 AM PDT by uncitizen (Barack Obama hates white people)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he’s going to talk about Zimmerman having been in trouble with the law and all that, then to be intellectually honest, we have to bring in all of the evidence that Trayvon was a gang banger in training. The media is not reporting anything negative about Trayvon, but, it’s not a stretch that Trayvon thought of himself as tough and disrespected and was going to show Zimmerman who was boss.

Also, it’s absurd to say Zimmerman should have shot him in the leg instead. During a struggle, you can’t pinpoint where a shot is going to go.


14 posted on 07/24/2013 11:37:06 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (race)
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To: bigbob

Who the f*ck is this Donald Lambro?


15 posted on 07/24/2013 11:37:10 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Kaslin
The polarizing racial and legal debate over George Zimmerman's acquittal in the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager in Florida has been turned into a national political issue that's not going away anytime soon.

Yes, it is going away - withering away with the whimper of pathetic 'massive' (ha!) protests all over this country. Trayvon is dead, Trayvon mania is dead. The ones that made out like bandits were the parents who took over a million from the HOA and sold a buttload of "Justice for Trayvon" TM Tee Shirts. Je$$e and Al $harpton are mightily pi$$ed they didn't get their cut.

16 posted on 07/24/2013 11:39:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin
This is so full of horse manure that I actually though it was sarcastic satire.

This guy has a shoe size larger than his IQ.

17 posted on 07/24/2013 11:39:32 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Kaslin
He could have pulled out his gun during the wrestling match, stopped the fight, and called 911 for the police.
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With his gun trained on Trayvon, he could have left the scene and gone to the police to report what happened.
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He could have fired into his leg or his shoulder to subdue him.

Donald, Donald, Donald. You've been watching too many Hollywood movies. In real life people don't shoot to "wing" their assailants. They shoot to STOP their assailants. That means shooting at the body, not the limb.

Back to the children's table for you.

18 posted on 07/24/2013 11:40:17 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (o : Tagline Test ; -)
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To: bigbob

It’s even worse than that. What was actually said was “We don’t need you to do that, sir.” Operators there were told they are not to give callers-in orders.


19 posted on 07/24/2013 11:40:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin
He could have pulled out his gun during the wrestling match, stopped the fight, and called 911 for the police.

 

A wrestling match? For the Love Of God!

These bitter sore-losers have gone beyond lying and making up crap as they go into full fledged creative writing.

20 posted on 07/24/2013 11:40:48 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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