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Martin v. Zimmerman: The media at its worst (author realizes he was lied to)
Cross Cut ^ | July 15, 2013 | John Carlson

Posted on 07/16/2013 6:36:53 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi

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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
For those who may not know, but "KOMO" Television & Radio, in the Seattle Market, is short for The KGB's Official Misinformation Outpost.

Just thought this would help even those Radio commenter's like say John Carlson, that here in the People's Republic of Washington, or better known as the San Fran-Freako of the North.

Nothing to see, just keep on walking by.

John Carlson you ran for governor of this State (Washington), and your supposed shock that the Government Media Complex lied, well, that explains why you lost!!!!

41 posted on 07/16/2013 11:00:54 PM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi; Repeat Offender; GenXteacher; Nervous Tick; BlatherNaut; ColdOne; Marcella; ..
More people need to speak out and make this very, very clear before the blood runs in the streets because eric will go home to his rich wife, al and jesse will return to their fancy digs in honkytown, and a lot of holder's people will end up in jail or dead.

This is a Black Rage Ping List, (by request,) to cover the aftermath of the GZ trial and archive the incidents. Let me know. And please add "blackrage" to the keywords. Thank you.


42 posted on 07/17/2013 12:21:04 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: Respond Code Three

“You say he was lying, I say he was bluffing. Poker players bluff all the time.”

They weren’t playing poker. You rationalize just like a liberal. The ends justify the means. Right Barak?


43 posted on 07/17/2013 4:56:05 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Respond Code Three
Before I forget, I want to remind you that the cops told the truth in this case.

No, they lied to George Zimmerman.

The police chief lost his job because he wouldn’t join the mob.

Bully for him. He's not a liar, he simply employs liars.

These people have integrity

Integrity includes lying to people? Wow, that's a f***** up definition of integrity. Let me guess, youre a cop. Right?

44 posted on 07/17/2013 11:03:38 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: BenLurkin

Unless maybe we insist on the Fairness Doctrine being applied to ALL media, not just radio.


45 posted on 07/28/2013 9:06:39 PM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: Lurker
"No, they lied to George Zimmerman. "

And he didn't fall for it because he told the truth.

"Bully for him. He's not a liar, he simply employs liars."

So the police lied on the stand? Did Zimmerman get convicted based on police lies? If he employs liars, then by your statement, they had to have lied on the stand. You can't have it both ways.

"Integrity includes lying to people? "

No, but bluffing is a valid investigative technique. I have used it too.

"Wow, that's a f***** up definition of integrity."

It is your definition it seems. It's not mine.

"Let me guess, you're a cop. Right?"

And you're a cop hater, right? There are a lot of you on Free Republic. (I'm a retired officer.)

46 posted on 08/03/2013 9:43:27 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Respond Code Three
So the police lied on the stand?

Who knows if they did here? They lie on the stand elsewhere enough to know you can't take what they say at face value, any more than anybody else. And it's a fact they can lie to you at any time in an interrogation, but if you so much as shade the truth, it's a crime in and of itself. The officer in this case (Serino?) testified that he lied to Zimmerman. You can call it a bluff if you wish, but most people call it a lie. Told with the best of intentions, but an untruth nonetheless.

47 posted on 08/03/2013 10:11:33 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Respond Code Three

“If he employs liars, then by your statement, they had to have lied on the stand. You can’t have it both ways.”

I sure can. Just because they chose not to lie under oath this time doesn’t make them any less of liars. They’re simply selective about whom they lie to and when. That may make them clever liars, but liars still.

“I have used it, too”

It’s not shocking to me that one government paid liar would stand up for other government paid liars. In fact it’s pretty much to be expected. I do not hate cops, but I do despise liars.


48 posted on 08/03/2013 11:35:07 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
"I sure can."

No, you can't.

"It’s not shocking to me that one government paid liar would stand up for other government paid liars."

Sorry, but I was not paid to lie. And when called upon to give information to Internal Affairs that could result in the firing of a fellow officer, I told the truth. And more than one officer was fired as a result of my statements. But you just keep your stereotyping and ignorance. It fits you like a uniform.

49 posted on 08/03/2013 4:45:05 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
That is what I was asking. At which point did the police lie? Did they lie when they admittedly bluffed Zimmerman? Or did they lie on the stand when they testified believed his story, and testified that the evidence matched his statements?

It would be a waste of time to have some of these people on this thread as detectives. They would simply sit there and take the word of a murderer or rapist and not try to shake his story.

50 posted on 08/03/2013 4:57:11 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Respond Code Three

” At which point did the police lie? “

When they told Zimmerman they had video of the incident. That was a lie.


51 posted on 08/03/2013 5:35:35 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
Here's an example of a lie I told.

I contacted a woman who reported the loss of a ring worth 5,000 dollars. The last place she saw the ring was on the dresser in her bedroom. She had a party at here house, and some of the guests had to pass by the dresser in the bedroom to get to the bathroom. I asked her if she had an idea of who might have taken the ring, and she gave me a name of a woman who had been a guest, and that she had seen her hanging around the dresser. I told her I would try to run a bluff and see if the ring would be returned. If it didn't work, the case would be turned over to detectives.

I called the "suspect" and I told her that a ring had been stolen at the party. I told her that if the ring was returned, no questions asked, that no one would be arrested and no charges would be filed. I also told her that we had fingerprints. (The lie is that we didn't have ANY evidence). A couple of minutes later, the woman called the victim and said that the ring would be returned shortly. And all because I lied.

52 posted on 08/04/2013 4:12:30 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Respond Code Three
So you admit cops lie all the time in the interrogation setting. Well and good, you say. What happens to a defendant if it turns out he lied during the course of your interrogation? The lie is inconsequential, he lies to protect, say, a affair he was having. But he told you, a detective, a lie. What would you do to him?

No harm, no foul, a laugh and slap on the back when you find it out? Or do you charge him with obstruction? It's your decision. I bet it matters if you personally like the liar.

This is what is pissing off the civilians...the imbalance of power. You can lie like a rug to beat the band, but a little person cannot, not even about little things. It gets worse: Contrary to what you've been implying, a cop will lie on the stand, under oath, if he needs to in order to obtain a conviction. I've known people who have worked in courts daily as support personnel, and they've seen it so you cannot deny it happens.

Rule of thumb about Judges: A Judge who used to be a defender will lean to the prosecution because he's sure the defendant is lying. A former prosecutor will lean to the defense because he knows the cop is probably lying. And you wonder why you get a lot of skepticism?

53 posted on 08/04/2013 8:25:34 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"So you admit cops lie all the time in the interrogation setting."

That is abroad sweeping assumption and I admit no such thing, other than you are guilty of assuming.

There were various options available to me when people lied. If they were already charged with something, and lied to me, I documented it and filed the paperwork with the case. Some situations resulted in an arrest for lying when there was no charge or pending charge. Sometimes I just laughed and ignored it.

It's unfortunate that there are cops who lie on the stand. When I lost cases, it made me a better investigator, and lying was never an option to win a case.

But since you are so jaded about the whole justice system, how would you change it to make it acceptable to you?

54 posted on 08/04/2013 9:43:39 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Respond Code Three
But since you are so jaded about the whole justice system, how would you change it to make it acceptable to you?

I'll have to ponder on that. It's a great question and deserves more than my typically flippant response. I'd like to see LEOs accorded the same treatment as any other witness, for starters. Get caught lying on the stand, go to jail. But I'll agree on one thing, I'm jaded. Look at this moment: I'm arguing with a detective over the meaning of the word, "lie."

I'm not going to get into a discussion of the utility of the stretching of truth to get a suspect to break, but rather the freaking out when the suspect also stretches the truth on the other side of the table. You can't get charged with a crime for "bluffing," as you put it, but the guy you're questioning can, and as you point out, is often charged and jailed even if there was no other crime. No wonder you laughed. Do you see any problem with that?

When you do it, it's "bluffing." When the suspect does it, it's "Obstruction of Justice." There's another word for that, "hypocritical."

55 posted on 08/04/2013 10:09:29 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Respond Code Three

So the ends justify the means then. Classic liberal thinking.


56 posted on 08/04/2013 10:32:16 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
"So the ends justify the means then. Classic liberal thinking."

No, just typical Free Republic cop hater thinking.

57 posted on 08/04/2013 11:04:05 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"When you do it, it's "bluffing." When the suspect does it, it's "Obstruction of Justice." There's another word for that, "hypocritical." "

And I can promise you that a LOT of really bad people are in jail because someone bluffed them and cracked their story. But since it's hypocritical, let me give you a scenario. Witnesses see a man kidnap a 5 year old girl. Their description of him isn't very good, but I get an anonymous tip that "Joe" did it. I interview "Joe" and he provides an alibi that I cannot immediately validate or disprove, and time is of the essence. If he doesn't tell me where she is, he will probably rape her and kill her and dump the body. So I tell him that there is video footage of the kidnap and he admits he kidnapped her. He leads me to her and she is still alive.

According to you purists, this is hypocritical. You would rather have a dead little girl than have a cop who bluffed to save her life. Here is how cold blooded the cop haters are because this is what they are arguing in essence: "That a woman raped and strangled with her panties is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet." Ergo: The cop who lets a little girl die is morally superior to the cop who bluffs to save her life.

58 posted on 08/04/2013 11:15:53 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Respond Code Three

I didn’t say I don’t want you doing that, I said I wasn’t going to get into that angle. I appreciated the effort you went through to make the point, but it was unnecessary. “Ticking time bomb” scenarios are always sure-fire attention-getters, but they also prove bad cases make bad law.

What’s hypocritical is charging someone for Obstruction because they lied to you in an interrogation, and they weren’t even charged with another crime, while at the same time laying claim to the right to lie yourself.

I think we both agree that lying on the stand should get jail time for whoever does it, policeman or civilian.


59 posted on 08/04/2013 11:28:52 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Respond Code Three

Jesus had something to say about lying. Perhaps you should read up on it.


60 posted on 08/04/2013 3:18:07 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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