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Utah state legislator wants to end compulsory education
Charlotte Observer ^ | Tuesday, July 16, 2013 | (Associated Press)

Posted on 07/16/2013 4:46:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The idea of forcing children to attend school is outdated and should be scrapped in favor of a system that encourages learning by choice, state Sen. Aaron Osmond said in calling for an end to compulsory education in Utah.

“Some parents act as if the responsibility to educate, and even care for their child, is primarily the responsibility of the public school system,” the South Jordan Republican first wrote on a state Senate blog on Friday. …

Osmond said that in the current state of public education, teachers do not receive meaningful support from parents, while at the same time parents become frustrated that schools are not able to meet the individual needs of their children. …

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: education; osmond; osmonds; publicschools; school; schools; utah

1 posted on 07/16/2013 4:46:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

great idea!


2 posted on 07/16/2013 4:47:00 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Olog-hai

WOO HOO....let the battle begin!


3 posted on 07/16/2013 4:48:35 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Chickensoup

For us, great idea. But there are some REALLY irresponsible parents out there....


4 posted on 07/16/2013 4:49:20 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: Chickensoup
Separation of education and state sounds good. Go back to the way this country was founded.

/johnny

5 posted on 07/16/2013 4:49:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: I Shall Endure
But there are some REALLY irresponsible parents out there....

So?

/johnny

6 posted on 07/16/2013 4:51:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Olog-hai

Might as well. Over half of the country is brain-dead anyway.


7 posted on 07/16/2013 4:51:45 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: I Shall Endure

For us, great idea. But there are some REALLY irresponsible parents out there....

________________________

Really irresponsible parents who cannot feed dress or shelter their children EVEN WITH GOVERNMENT SUBSUDIES should have parental rights terminated and the children raised in orphanages run by private nonprofit organizations. These children will be civilized and trained for civic duties and to support themselves.


8 posted on 07/16/2013 4:52:57 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Olog-hai
Woot! You have to start somewhere, and broaching the issue is a start.

We took our kids back by homeschooling. But for one of our kids, formal learning was a waste of time.

9 posted on 07/16/2013 4:53:08 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Olog-hai
The purpose of public education is not education.

The purpose of public education is to launder tax dollars through teachers union dues to Democrat candidates.

Period.

10 posted on 07/16/2013 4:53:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: I Shall Endure
When 80% of NYC high school graduates literally cannot read, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
11 posted on 07/16/2013 4:54:18 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Olog-hai

Sen. Aaron Osmond is the nephew of Donny and Marie.


12 posted on 07/16/2013 4:54:35 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

I was wondering if he was related to them. Thanks!


13 posted on 07/16/2013 4:55:44 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Olog-hai

We just did this in Iowa in the last session.

Separate school and state, before it’s too late.


14 posted on 07/16/2013 4:56:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Obviously government schools aren't the answer.

/johnny

15 posted on 07/16/2013 4:56:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The purpose of public education is not education. The purpose of public education is to launder tax dollars through teachers union dues to Democrat candidates. Period.

It's far more nefarious than that.

The Underground History of American Education

16 posted on 07/16/2013 4:57:10 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Olog-hai
"Teachers don't receive meaningful support from parents"...

My experience is that the teachers waste all the class time with liberal indoctrination and send the three "r"s home for we parents to teach. Then claim the solution, of course, is more money.

17 posted on 07/16/2013 4:57:10 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Chickensoup

cut their welfare, honestly when I see a woman at 5 foot five and over 200 pound in a store and she has a basket of all junk food paid by us pisses me off.

First if those are tat fat and on food stamps should not get food stamps seeing as they don’t need all that food, junk food I might add.

Yea I know it will never happen because the left would lose the black vote and the welfare vote


18 posted on 07/16/2013 4:57:53 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Olog-hai

What’s weird is that I just went to his website and the first thing I see is strong support for public education.


19 posted on 07/16/2013 4:59:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

maybe it is different to you there.

We did you do that virtual school as my oldest just did a class on that and it was stupid, he;d sit there for hours and ten enter only for the program to fail and he;d have to do it all over again.
The virtual teacher was a joke who knew nothing, the whole thing was a fiasco and a money maker for someone


20 posted on 07/16/2013 5:00:03 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: EternalVigilance

That doesn’t mean it has to be compulsory, if one wants to be pedantic.


21 posted on 07/16/2013 5:03:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
end to compulsory education indoctrination

There ... fixed it

22 posted on 07/16/2013 5:03:40 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: Olog-hai

Good idea.
And allow schools to expel disruptive and/or dangerous students. No more “No student left behind.”


23 posted on 07/16/2013 5:05:33 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Olog-hai

Yeah, I understand.

I just find it notable the angle he’s coming at it from.

Utahns tend to be very, very pro-public school, by the way.


24 posted on 07/16/2013 5:06:14 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s one guy, but that’s a start. Stop the drafting of minor children into the government indoctrination units.


25 posted on 07/16/2013 5:06:19 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (The Stupid Party, they've earned it.)
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To: manc
We followed a formal curriculum at home. There was nothing wrong with it, but my daughter just doesn't care about academics. It's not that she isn't bright. She just doesn't care about the location of Madagascar, trains passing each other at 70 mph at 5:00 p.m., and reading old stories.

I can see her point.

Kids first need to learn to be good, then formal religion, and finally, basic academic skills, like reading and simple arithmetic. The rest is up to them.

26 posted on 07/16/2013 5:07:44 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Olog-hai
I'd go one step further. In addition to getting rid of compulsory education, I'd set up a scaled buy-back-in system for the parents of children who get expelled for bad behavior. For example, we could start it at something small, like $10, and then it doubles for each repeat offense.

Since some parents could care less about how their kids act in school, and see the school system as a free babysitting service, then making those parents pay to get their kids back into school when they inevitably act up may be the only way to make them do their job and make sure their kids understand that they need to show respect to teachers other authorities.
27 posted on 07/16/2013 5:08:36 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

the social studies he did was stupid.
I love history, especially the war for southern independence but he had to learn about islam, Ghana and all of Africa.

I talked to his virtual teacher today and told her that my son was not going to do this test again as he took 2 hours to do it and because of a glitch in their computer they wanted him to do it again.]

Agree with al you said BTW


28 posted on 07/16/2013 5:10:34 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

the war for southern independence and the right to own other people


29 posted on 07/16/2013 5:12:05 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian
always one, too tired to get into this crap right now, another time.
30 posted on 07/16/2013 5:14:14 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Are you doing homeschooling through the local public school, or that K-12 program I’ve seen on TV?


31 posted on 07/16/2013 5:15:46 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Olog-hai

Absolutely. It is a start——then check out the original McGuffey Readers-—for 10 year olds......Milton, Dickens, the Bible, John Locke, Adam Smith, The Federalist Papers—profound ideas with firm moral foundation.

......and you “wonder” why our public schools put out such immoral idiots like Trayvon’s “friends”.........schools should be shut down completely for destroying so many children.

The “Go, Spot, Go” John Dewey/Socialist/Marxists curricula has got to be destroyed. It was designed intentionally to destroy Reason/Wisdom/Knowledge and erase traditions/concepts and Virtue (Christian Ethics) and replace them with Satanic Ethics—so Western Civ would collapse and the NWO can begin.

Destroy Virtue and you will collapse society. Children have to be formed and raised in the Natural Family or as close to it as possible for the first seven years of life..........don’t allow strangers to form their worldview. The family is what forges individualism/uniqueness—thinking outside the box-—and a healthy self-image

Schools have to uphold YOUR belief system or else you create “cognitive dissonance” and your children will be confused-—Good and Evil blurred—and their foundation is not firm at all.......easily manipulated.


32 posted on 07/16/2013 5:17:51 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

we just started to try it but did not want the same as the kid next door as he;s a dope who has no education what so ever.

We’re going to finish this curse up and see what to do after.

We do live in one of the most republican counties in FL and we do have the best school system in the state and so we’;ll see what happens in a few months

I do appreciate what you told me too.


33 posted on 07/16/2013 5:20:05 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: I Shall Endure

You bet. I cannot begin to imagine the kids of rotten parents running around without being able to read or write but old enough to wreck things and kill people. Not good.


34 posted on 07/16/2013 5:22:19 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm on board!


Separation of School and State

The only basis for sound education and individual liberty

35 posted on 07/16/2013 5:25:10 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: Olog-hai

The “Little Red School House” concept is what built this nation, not the giant carpeted, air conditioned indoctrination centers that resemble a state penitentiary we now foster on the the little heads full of mush.


36 posted on 07/16/2013 5:29:23 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone
The “Little Red School House” concept is what built this nation, not the giant carpeted, air conditioned indoctrination centers that resemble a state penitentiary we now foster on the the little heads full of mush.

Indeed.

And the beauty is, with the advent of personal computers and the internet, the penitentiary institutions are completely obsolete.

Technology favors the "Little Red School House" model.

Or smaller.

37 posted on 07/16/2013 5:35:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: Olog-hai

Government may have an interest in seeing children be educated, but it is a GRAVE MISTAKE to allow government to run the schools. At most, government should set standards and allow parents to test their children to those standards. But this should not preclude private standards as well.

My wife and I homeschooled our daughter and she is very competent now to run her own retail store. Although she lacks a high school diploma, we recently saw the performance of a young person who was enrolled in Florida’s government school system and she was grossly ignorant by any standard.

Rachel Jeantel showed that government makes demands and promises, yet refuses to be held to its own standards, yet at great cost to the taxpayers. Great cost? How many people know that in some urban school districts it costs in excess of ONE MILLION dollars to graduate a single child who is competent in all subjects at grade level.

Given how much we are spending on food stamps, we no longer have the luxury to afford the monstrous catastrophe of government-run schools.


38 posted on 07/16/2013 5:47:29 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: I Shall Endure

And their kids are the behavior problems that monopolize the teachers’ and administrators’ time. Schools are better off without them.


39 posted on 07/16/2013 5:52:38 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (Qui pacem, praeparet bellum.)
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To: Olog-hai
He's right. The Founders said the general diffusion of knowledge should be provided for, but they never said anything about it being compulsory.
40 posted on 07/16/2013 5:59:13 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: I Shall Endure
REALLY irresponsible parents
combined with really incompetent teachers
combined with an extremely slanted curriculum

means the kids would be better off anywhere other than the government schools. They might learn less, but of what they did learn, less would be leftist Howard Zinn garbage.

Literacy was higher before compulsory attendance laws than it is now. Compulsory attendance was never (since Bismarck) about education, but about control.

41 posted on 07/16/2013 6:09:21 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Olog-hai

Good idea. Hope this succeeds.


42 posted on 07/16/2013 6:10:34 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Olog-hai
"Utah state legislator wants to end compulsory education"

In the old days, they called this "Freedom."

43 posted on 07/16/2013 6:34:44 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: UnwashedPeasant

nah- just end publik skoolz


44 posted on 07/16/2013 6:35:52 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You forgot one other “purpose”....Indoctrination


45 posted on 07/16/2013 6:52:23 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: traviskicks; bamahead

The Libertarian ping list might be interested in this.


46 posted on 07/22/2013 4:21:49 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of tolerance, life,and peace, and if you don't agree, they'll murder you)
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