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Meeting Ahmadinejad
Eurasia: Informational and Analytic Portal ^ | July 4, 2013 | Aleksandr Dugin

Posted on 07/12/2013 7:25:02 PM PDT by annalex

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Dugin (Wiki) is probably not a familiar name for the Gentle Freeper, but he is a notable thinker and ideologue in Russia, where he preaches the so-called Eurasianism. That is an ideology whereby Russia is not a part of the West, culturally or spiritually, should seek an identity in closer ties with Asia, and must oppose the West and especially the United States.

I think that this article gives valuable and rarely seen in English insights into the personality of Ahmadinejad, Chaves, the Russian ruling elite, and generally the ideological forces aligned against us.

1 posted on 07/12/2013 7:25:02 PM PDT by annalex
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To: A.A. Cunningham; andyk; BatGuano; Belteshazzar; bert; Bigg Red; blueunicorn6; boxlunch; ...

A little scoop for you from the vast steppes of the Russian Internet.

If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know.


2 posted on 07/12/2013 7:26:30 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

I would publicly declare that I would like to be on your list.


3 posted on 07/12/2013 7:32:19 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: annalex

Iran is against Caliphate and China. Both are more serious threats for US in a long run than any ‘countering US hegemony’ by Iran which is more about regional rivalry, not about hull-scale hostility. It means that Iran’s policy is more coincident with long term US interests than of Obama regime’s. Has Iran ever killed Americans in a couple decades? Last time I ‘ve check it was mostly ‘friends’ Saudis and their Sunni butt-buddies ‘freedom-fighters’ who killed.
Not to mention Iran has a fat chance to transform into a really friendly nation, unlike Arab cut-throats.


4 posted on 07/12/2013 7:44:55 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: annalex

There is one BIG problem with all of this. ISLAM is BAD for EVERYBODY. The Russians have been fighting these vermin a lot longer than most nations. Too bad we don’t have a real leader who could unite the world to rid itself of this cursed cult once and for all!


5 posted on 07/12/2013 7:46:33 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: annalex

Please ping me.


6 posted on 07/12/2013 7:49:12 PM PDT by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: AdmSmith

How popular is Dugin in Russia?


7 posted on 07/12/2013 10:03:09 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: yarddog

You are. Thank you.


8 posted on 07/13/2013 10:16:13 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: cunning_fish

I, too, don’t see Iran as a big threat; Iran is a serious regional power and a strong national idea built on becoming one pole in a multipolar world. That is not something we cannot live with, even more so since they have a republican form of government rather than dictatorial one.

I also think that Ahmadinejad is a bit touched in the head and can be very irritating because of that.


9 posted on 07/13/2013 10:22:14 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Nateman
The Russians have been fighting these vermin a lot longer than most nations

And they are giving up. That is real news here: not Ahmadinejad's "culture of expectation" but that prominent Orthodox figures close to the ruling apparatus in Russia would contemplate how "in the final battle, Muslims and Christians are on the same side of the barricades".

10 posted on 07/13/2013 10:26:52 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: tanuki

Sure. Thank you.


11 posted on 07/13/2013 10:27:36 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: nuconvert
How popular is Dugin in Russia?

I don't know. He is not among those who contend for power and end up in jail for it. He is more of a thinker. We was connected to Limonov, -- a colorful man, a great poet and a founder of National Bolshevik movement. That earned Limonov some following and even a jail term for armed insurrection, no less. Both are basically proponents of the restoration of the USSR, albeit in some new form, and hate the Western political and economic system.

Dugin is however, a believer (Orthodox but with a twist) and that separated him from Limonov who has no discernible religion.

But these are personalities. The Eurasianism, however, seems to be a conscious Putin's policy: there is a clear course on irritating the US, and rapprochement with everything in Asia that would sit down with them: Iran, China, Assad, domestic Muslims. Russia has its own immigration crisis: residents of the Muslim periphery flood ethnically Russian territory in search of work, mosques are being built at a dizzying pace (alongside Orthodox churches) and Russian cities take on a bit of that Central Asia look. That troubles the general population, which, however, remains mostly docile; it also greatly troubles the few Russian conservatives and nationalists -- who tend to see Russia as a decidedly European power that colonized Caucasus and Central Asia. They do not have a voice other than in the blogosphere. It is hard to say if they influence anyone. Greater influencer seems to be ethnic crime: rape and bar brawls, where Russians, not used to street fighting and not used to carrying knives and guns, come out victims. This causes anger and may result in pogroms against the Asians. All that is sad to watch, and Dugin has got to like it.

12 posted on 07/13/2013 10:46:39 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

>>>>I, too, don’t see Iran as a big threat; Iran is a serious regional power and a strong national idea built on becoming one pole in a multipolar world. That is not something we cannot live with, even more so since they have a republican form of government rather than dictatorial one.<<<<

Exactly!

>>>The Russians have been fighting these vermin a lot longer than most nations

And they are giving up. That is real news here: not Ahmadinejad’s “culture of expectation” but that prominent Orthodox figures close to the ruling apparatus in Russia would contemplate how “in the final battle, Muslims and Christians are on the same side of the barricades”.<<<

I don’t think Russians are giving up and Iran is not that much about Islam too.
Islam is a showcase ideology for them but the reality Iran is more a fascist state, just like Russia. Islam is simply providing enough reasoning to be hard on their opponents. Both Iran and Russia unhappy with liberal influence and global bankster oligarchy in the first place. Both see expansionist jihad and China as a threat.
It won’t be incorrect to say that there is a popular dissent in Iran against Islam even as a showcase ideology. Imams who are too anal in their hate preaching are getting kicked by girls wearing European style clothes on a regular basis.
Russians are covertly backing secularism there as well.


13 posted on 07/13/2013 11:02:14 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
I agree that Russia and Iran have a good basis for mutual understanding outside of the difference in religion. Certainly, one cannot fault any Christian nation for developing normal and even friendly relations with Muslim countries.

What Russia is giving up is its identity as an Orthodox country of ethnic Russians. This is being gradually displaced with a multicultural mix of Slav and Asian stock where the energy, brutality, and firmness of belief of the Muslims overcomes the Russian culture weakened to the point of collapse by 70 years of artificial selection and state atheism.



Chechen leader Kadyrov, a loyal Russian



"Moskvabad"



These are Chechen children. Protect them from Russian fascists

14 posted on 07/13/2013 12:42:38 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: cunning_fish
Iran is more a fascist state, just like Russia

I don't know about Iran, -- although the fact they they just elected themselves a new leader, howbeit in a similar to the previous one mold, shows that at least one aspect of fascism is absent: a preference for a strong leader who hardly needs further elections.

In case of Russia, Putin is set to rule for another decade or so, while his persona is nowadays subject of humiliating cartoons more than of admiration. But fascism for Russia would be an improvement: the cornerstone of fascism is a clearly set national goal favoring the "home nation", and that is lacking completely. In Putin's Russia nationalists are put in jail. How is that "fascism"?

I would describe Putin's political system as a clique of former KGB operatives who know enough to reject communist ideology, don't know enough about capitalism, admire their ugly creation, the USSR, as an empire they once built, and now seek to rebuild it by throwing religiosity and Soviet-style "internationalism" in the mix with stratospheric, 3rd-world-level corruption.

15 posted on 07/14/2013 10:55:58 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: nuconvert; annalex; gandalftb
How popular is Dugin in Russia?

He is more popular in the Russian Army and in the security establishment (searching for a cause when Marx is dead) than in the office of Putin. But, Dugin has made the strange idea about Euroasianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia_Movement acceptable in Russia.

Russia, or persons representing the state, are profiting on the Iranian sanctions and are laundering money and oil from Iran, thus they do not want a solution of the present situation. I anticipate that Iran want to end their dependence on Russia, but the do not know how to do it.

Note that the Russian economy requires an oil price 120-130 /bbl in order for break even of their budget. The next time that the oil price will be parked for months below, say, 80/bbl there will be a new revolution in Russia as they run out of money. Putin knows this and that is why Russia is supporting problems in Middle East to keep the oil price high.

16 posted on 07/14/2013 2:07:44 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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additional reading http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/06/russia-response-turkish-protests-gezi.html


17 posted on 07/14/2013 2:12:36 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
there will be a new revolution in Russia

Of that, we cannot be sure, unfortunately. The people have been conditioned into docility. Thank you for your analysis, right on.

18 posted on 07/14/2013 2:18:43 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: AdmSmith

Thanks - appreciate your insight


19 posted on 07/14/2013 2:18:54 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: annalex

>>>Note that the Russian economy requires an oil price 120-130 /bbl in order for break even of their budget. The next time that the oil price will be parked for months below, say, 80/bbl there will be a new revolution in Russia as they run out of money. Putin knows this and that is why Russia is supporting problems in Middle East to keep the oil price high.<<<

Last time I’ve check Russian economy wasn’t that much about oil as advertised. They have a share of extraction about on par with US in total economy and manufacturing makes larger share in Russian economy than it makes for US.

>>>I would describe Putin’s political system as a clique of former KGB operatives who know enough to reject communist ideology, don’t know enough about capitalism, admire their ugly creation, the USSR, as an empire they once built, and now seek to rebuild it by throwing religiosity and Soviet-style “internationalism” in the mix with stratospheric, 3rd-world-level corruption.<<<

The advantage of such a regime is that it brings unprecedented level of opportunities in Russian history for literally everyone not too lazy to use it.
Every idiot is able to make some $20,000 a year there, and it is in a country there you can survive a month for $200 in gas and utilities and another $150 in foods.


20 posted on 07/14/2013 11:19:44 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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