Posted on 07/10/2013 12:33:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Previous thread pinged out to Boy Scout pinglist: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3040879/posts
Big mistake making this a national org...
Better to have a confederacy or republic analog so that any group that gets targeted can simply dissolve and reform locally.
The policy will read, in part: ‘the proper context for sexual relations is only between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage.’”
OH, yeah! Love it!
So then that differs from the Boy Scouts how?
Good question, and I was surprised to see that.
But I've always thought this entire episode was pathetically mishandled by the BSA. I think the national folks allowed themselves to be bullied by a few big donors for no good reason.
Boys could join the BSA at 10 1/2, and neither the old nor any new organization was going to have any procedures for identifying the gay, or potential gay 10 1/2 year-olds. Gay kids had always been in the scouts, just as they'd always been in the military.
So, what this big change was really about was caving to the gay activists and the few big donors pushing for a new policy from inside the BSA organization. All they really got in the new policy was a public okay, or public acceptance of gay members.
They had a don't ask, don't tell policy for years and activists demanded that that be done away with just as they had for the military. There was no reason to adopt any new policy other than cowardise and poor leadership at the national level, because declarations of sexual orientation never was and never should have been any part of the scouts.
This is a mistake. Out of any 1000 Scouts 20 might be homosexual. Once they’re out which boys are going to want to tent with them? If they’re flagrant about it who will want to tolerate that silly behavior?
We miss a grand opportunity to minister to these confused youth and help them to get back on track. Abandoning the Scouts now literally turns them over to the mushy middle and liberals. It’s stupid and short-sighted. Where’s their Christian courage?
How is that different from what the Boy Scouts did?
I think the answer is: that was the unwritten BSA policy before the gay activists and a few big donors bullied the cowardly national leadership into public acknowledgement/acceptance/approval of gay members.
The new outfit is just making the old, unwritten BSA policy official: gay kids can join, just follow a don't ask, don't tell policy.
I discussed this in #24.
(I think a lot of readers here didn't read that part of the article.)
Did you read post #9? I think there is a sentence in the article that many here didn’t read.
Not to mention (and I’ve said this before), just look at what happened to the Girl Scouts. You had a half-dozen self professed conservative alternatives popping up. And none of them really went anywhere. The American Heritage Girls is by far the largest one of these organizations, with 14,000 girls. But it’s 18 years old, and not showing encouraging signs of future growth. To put this into context, when Girls Scouts of America was 18 years old, it had 200,000 members - and that was back when the American population was far smaller.
It’s better to work inside BSA than to try and create another organization.
I see it. This is still a mistake. BSA still has exactly the same standards as it had before as regards behavior of boys. Why kill a good organization right when it needs strong conservatives to hold it together?
Completely agree. We need to stay and fight and hold these organizations. We’ve lost our government because we’ve allowed liberals to crowd us out. I hear conservatives telling young people not to join the military or get married, etc. Why abandon the culture?
We need to reclaim it. I’d love to see these same people put an effort into reclaiming God’s rainbow instead of running away at the first shot. You go toward the sound of the fighting. At least that’s my way.
This has all been so ridiculous. All that changed at BSA is they issued a statement of acceptance of the gay kids who’d always been accepted silently before. They caved unnecessarily to the activists and some donors.
But the activists began pushing, the day the new policy was announced, for acceptance of gay scout leaders. That one will alienate even more long-time scout participants and supporters, and will damage BSA even more than the official statement that gay scouts are accepted.
“Perhaps the vast majority of scouting families band together and sue for some of those resources for these new groups.”
Sue for what?
If the adults in these scouting families care enough to sue, they would have cared enough to be involved in the BSA and this wouldnt be an issue.
Sorry, but suing after losing an election reminds me a little too much of somebody I’ve tried real hard to forget...
Why don't you go ask National and the simpering, traitorous weasels on the National Board, including the mormon who pushed this change and get back with us when you get an answer?
They're the ones who have demonstrated a lack of moral fiber, values, character and will. They have betrayed the trust that thousands upon thousands of volunteer leaders had in them by their deceitful and shameful maneuvering in this whole sordid episode.
They [BSA National scum] are the ones who "killed a good organization", not the ones who are holding to their principles, values and morals who are leaving and helping to form an organization that is going to share those same traits.
I will not either implicitly or tacitly endorse the very leadership that I don't trust by remaining in the BSA beyond my self-imposed Scouting expiration date.
BTTT and welcome to FR.
You’re exactly right, the lack of interest by the VAST majority of Scouting parents has allowed BSA National to corrupt this organization.
Did they call, write letters, email any of the vermin sitting in HQ about their positions? Did they contact their Council and District “leadership” and let them know?
What, exactly, did any of them do besides enjoy the “bread and circuses” while a few did all of the heavy lifting in Scouting?
Bitter? You bet your A$$ I’m bitter. I was a Boy Scout and I’ve been involved as a leader since ‘91 and for this organization to betray the very values they purport to teach young men has me hacked off beyond belief.
BINGO! As a leader for so long you’ve probably raised many of these kids more than their own parents. Nobody can be bothered..
Thanks for the Welcome! Been lurking a while, and these days Im darn near set to explode. This is a better outlet than....
beyond my self-imposed Scouting expiration date
Are you going to take your ball home, too?
bttt
Correct, why not push back? This is a golden opportunity to:
1. Minister to kids who've been able to slip through while suffering, perhaps at the hands of a molester. Why not teach them about real love - agape - instead of leaving them to eros and the wolves?
2. Prove that homosexuality isn't a permanent condition and can be normalized. Why leave when you can lead?
Be realistic. Nothing's changed unless you give up and make it an easy victory progressives and homosexual activists. I am stunned at the hangwringing. We're hardnosed conservatives used to being out in the cold and under the gun.
Once more into the breach, dear FRiend. Don't quit and let them waltz in. Let's keep the Scouts and fight back. To win we need to win the culture war. We can't do that with a bunch of Rear Echelon Malingering Factotums.
If you turn tail now, you simply concede everything and create a self-fulfilling prophecy. I, for one, won't quit. My Lord and Savior didn't and doesn't. I am His disciple. What do you say?
Placemark.
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