Skip to comments.National Coalition Announces Boy Scouts Alternative Founded on Christian Values
Posted on 07/10/2013 12:33:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
A national coalition, which includes people formerly associated with the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) as well as several other partners, announced Tuesday the formation of a new youth organization for boys that is founded on Christian values and principles.
"Our vision is to be the premier national character development organization for young men which produces godly and responsible husbands, fathers, and citizens," said Rob Green, the organization's interim executive director, during a press conference call Tuesday.
He added, "The new program will be an exciting and motivating outdoor-based program focused on leadership and character development for boys, and founded on principles and values that reflect a Christian worldview."
Green said during a press conference call that a group of nearly 50 leaders met on June 29 in Louisville, Ky., and agreed to start the new organization, which currently has no name. Among those who participated in the meeting were experienced scout leaders, as well as representatives from major church denominations and organizations who are concerned with families and youth.
The new organization is being modeled after the American Heritage Girls, an 18-year-old organization that is "Christ-centered" and is "seen as an alternative to Girl Scouts," according to the group's website.
"Our mission is simple and clear: to guide generations of courageous young men to honor God, lead with integrity, serve others, and experience outdoor adventure," said Green.
Boys will not be excluded from the organization based on race, religion, national origin or ethnicity, he said, though adult leaders will be required to adhere to a statement of Christian faith and values.
"In addition, the organization's membership policy will focus on sexual purity rather than sexual orientation," said Green. "The policy will read, in part: 'the proper context for sexual relations is only between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage.'"
Young men who have same-sex attractions will be permitted into the organization, though they will not be allowed to push a gay agenda or flaunt their sexual orientation.
"I think that there's a real difference between someone who has a same-sex attraction and someone who identifies with the gay political movement," said John Stemberger, founder of OnMyHonor.net. "That's a very different thing, and so we wouldn't tolerate any kind of open sex or politics in the program, or gay activism."
Several groups are working together to form the new organization, including OnMyHonor.net, Faith Based Boys, TrailHead USA and Frontier Service Corps. Stemberger says tens of thousands of people contacted OnMyHonor.net after the BSA announced its decision to allow openly gay members in May.
The new organization's first national convention, where its name and logo will be revealed, is scheduled for Sept. 6 and 7. The organization will announce its process of registering new unit charters in late November. At that time it will also announce a plan detailing how whole scouting units can transfer to the new organization, though Green says the organization is not actively trying to recruit scouts or scout leaders to join.
The organization's leaders say it will be ready to launch on Jan. 1, 2014.
The homosexuals will weasel their way in there, too.
There is NO American organization those characters won’t challenge or allow to stand.
“There is NO American organization those characters wont challenge or allow to stand.”
Until we unite and shove it up their collective smelly Obamas. (Something they are already obviously very used to.)
” The homosexuals will weasel their way in there, too.”
Not easily. When they do, we start another.
It’ll be interesting to follow this.
Sadly, the BSA holds all of the resources ( summer camps, infrastructure, etc. ).
I wish these new groups the best of luck but I don’t think it would ever be the same.
Perhaps the vast majority of scouting families band together and sue for some of those resources for these new groups.
I hope they don’t plan to ever take corporate or public donations. Because that is what will end of destroying them.
So then that differs from the Boy Scouts how?
The BSA also has to maintain, and pay taxes on, those resources.
In fact, just last week, I received an e-mail plea from our local Scout council (with whom I recently parted ways) requesting money exactly for those reasons.
I told them to go ask their Sodomite buddies at AT&T and ErnstYoung for the dough.
Bottom line—Most councils don’t have a much in the way of financial reserves and almost live hand-to-mouth. I expect a lot of BSA properties will be on the market in a couple of years.
I don’t think the leaders in this new organization will be as easily intimidated as the BSA “executives” who were trying to hold on to their jobs more than anything else.
Will not happen.
Giving the newer organizations an opportunity to purchease them.
The BSA does not hold state or federal lands or parks. Further, if thousands of troops leave the BSA, it will have to sell off much of those holdings to remain solvent. Just like the girl scouts have done.
Hope you’re right; however, until a year ago, I would have sworn it wouldn’t happen to the BSA.
I think you may be right, unfortunately. On their founding day, they made this thing about homosexuality rather than following christian values.
Bump for Jesus.
Previous thread pinged out to Boy Scout pinglist: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3040879/posts
Big mistake making this a national org...
Better to have a confederacy or republic analog so that any group that gets targeted can simply dissolve and reform locally.
The policy will read, in part: ‘the proper context for sexual relations is only between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage.’”
OH, yeah! Love it!
So then that differs from the Boy Scouts how?
Good question, and I was surprised to see that.
But I've always thought this entire episode was pathetically mishandled by the BSA. I think the national folks allowed themselves to be bullied by a few big donors for no good reason.
Boys could join the BSA at 10 1/2, and neither the old nor any new organization was going to have any procedures for identifying the gay, or potential gay 10 1/2 year-olds. Gay kids had always been in the scouts, just as they'd always been in the military.
So, what this big change was really about was caving to the gay activists and the few big donors pushing for a new policy from inside the BSA organization. All they really got in the new policy was a public okay, or public acceptance of gay members.
They had a don't ask, don't tell policy for years and activists demanded that that be done away with just as they had for the military. There was no reason to adopt any new policy other than cowardise and poor leadership at the national level, because declarations of sexual orientation never was and never should have been any part of the scouts.
This is a mistake. Out of any 1000 Scouts 20 might be homosexual. Once they’re out which boys are going to want to tent with them? If they’re flagrant about it who will want to tolerate that silly behavior?
We miss a grand opportunity to minister to these confused youth and help them to get back on track. Abandoning the Scouts now literally turns them over to the mushy middle and liberals. It’s stupid and short-sighted. Where’s their Christian courage?
How is that different from what the Boy Scouts did?
I think the answer is: that was the unwritten BSA policy before the gay activists and a few big donors bullied the cowardly national leadership into public acknowledgement/acceptance/approval of gay members.
The new outfit is just making the old, unwritten BSA policy official: gay kids can join, just follow a don't ask, don't tell policy.
I discussed this in #24.
(I think a lot of readers here didn't read that part of the article.)
Did you read post #9? I think there is a sentence in the article that many here didn’t read.
Not to mention (and I’ve said this before), just look at what happened to the Girl Scouts. You had a half-dozen self professed conservative alternatives popping up. And none of them really went anywhere. The American Heritage Girls is by far the largest one of these organizations, with 14,000 girls. But it’s 18 years old, and not showing encouraging signs of future growth. To put this into context, when Girls Scouts of America was 18 years old, it had 200,000 members - and that was back when the American population was far smaller.
It’s better to work inside BSA than to try and create another organization.
I see it. This is still a mistake. BSA still has exactly the same standards as it had before as regards behavior of boys. Why kill a good organization right when it needs strong conservatives to hold it together?
Completely agree. We need to stay and fight and hold these organizations. We’ve lost our government because we’ve allowed liberals to crowd us out. I hear conservatives telling young people not to join the military or get married, etc. Why abandon the culture?
We need to reclaim it. I’d love to see these same people put an effort into reclaiming God’s rainbow instead of running away at the first shot. You go toward the sound of the fighting. At least that’s my way.
This has all been so ridiculous. All that changed at BSA is they issued a statement of acceptance of the gay kids who’d always been accepted silently before. They caved unnecessarily to the activists and some donors.
But the activists began pushing, the day the new policy was announced, for acceptance of gay scout leaders. That one will alienate even more long-time scout participants and supporters, and will damage BSA even more than the official statement that gay scouts are accepted.
“Perhaps the vast majority of scouting families band together and sue for some of those resources for these new groups.”
Sue for what?
If the adults in these scouting families care enough to sue, they would have cared enough to be involved in the BSA and this wouldnt be an issue.
Sorry, but suing after losing an election reminds me a little too much of somebody I’ve tried real hard to forget...
Why don't you go ask National and the simpering, traitorous weasels on the National Board, including the mormon who pushed this change and get back with us when you get an answer?
They're the ones who have demonstrated a lack of moral fiber, values, character and will. They have betrayed the trust that thousands upon thousands of volunteer leaders had in them by their deceitful and shameful maneuvering in this whole sordid episode.
They [BSA National scum] are the ones who "killed a good organization", not the ones who are holding to their principles, values and morals who are leaving and helping to form an organization that is going to share those same traits.
I will not either implicitly or tacitly endorse the very leadership that I don't trust by remaining in the BSA beyond my self-imposed Scouting expiration date.
BTTT and welcome to FR.
You’re exactly right, the lack of interest by the VAST majority of Scouting parents has allowed BSA National to corrupt this organization.
Did they call, write letters, email any of the vermin sitting in HQ about their positions? Did they contact their Council and District “leadership” and let them know?
What, exactly, did any of them do besides enjoy the “bread and circuses” while a few did all of the heavy lifting in Scouting?
Bitter? You bet your A$$ I’m bitter. I was a Boy Scout and I’ve been involved as a leader since ‘91 and for this organization to betray the very values they purport to teach young men has me hacked off beyond belief.
BINGO! As a leader for so long you’ve probably raised many of these kids more than their own parents. Nobody can be bothered..
Thanks for the Welcome! Been lurking a while, and these days Im darn near set to explode. This is a better outlet than....
beyond my self-imposed Scouting expiration date
Are you going to take your ball home, too?
Correct, why not push back? This is a golden opportunity to:
1. Minister to kids who've been able to slip through while suffering, perhaps at the hands of a molester. Why not teach them about real love - agape - instead of leaving them to eros and the wolves?
2. Prove that homosexuality isn't a permanent condition and can be normalized. Why leave when you can lead?
Be realistic. Nothing's changed unless you give up and make it an easy victory progressives and homosexual activists. I am stunned at the hangwringing. We're hardnosed conservatives used to being out in the cold and under the gun.
Once more into the breach, dear FRiend. Don't quit and let them waltz in. Let's keep the Scouts and fight back. To win we need to win the culture war. We can't do that with a bunch of Rear Echelon Malingering Factotums.
If you turn tail now, you simply concede everything and create a self-fulfilling prophecy. I, for one, won't quit. My Lord and Savior didn't and doesn't. I am His disciple. What do you say?
Very glad to hear this. Let’s hope they have no connection to any government entity this time... make it entirely private.
Meh......I guess it’s because I keep exposing your pet mormons for their treachery in all of this that got your panties twisted into a knot.
However, it’s really quite simple, so I’ll explain it in a way that even you should be able to understand.
BSA, by their decision, has told me and the thousands like me, they don’t want us around unless we compromise (with evil) and keep the dough rolling in.
That you sit on the sidelines and cheerlead for them, encouraging others to “fight” tells me that you support the pro-sodomites at National.
What have you done in the past 20+ years to prevent this from happening 10? How about the last 10, 5?
No, I suspect your intentions here are to dissuade folks from creating a truly conservative Scouting movement.
Interesting side note out of all this, after the mormons gave their consent to the change, they are now closing off membership to their units by outside, non-members.
Hmmm, it’s okay to force conventional Scouting units to be forced to take the homos in, but the mormons are going to again pervert and undermine the program, as they’ve been doing since they started filling National’s coffers with registrations for ghost Scouts.
Sorry, you and the rest of the pro-sodomite compromisers can count me out on the deceit and treachery, it’s not in my marrow.
Who is going to “minister” to the kids? You have an army of psychs sitting around somewhere?
You’re naivete and ignorance about how Scouting really functions is breathtaking.
The first major problem is that from what I understand, polls showed that the local BSA organizations opposed this change, and that it was strictly brought about by the national board. If any significant number of troops who opposed the policy change leave, then those who voted for the change will be in an even larger majority. And there will be many who leave and you won’t be able to do anything about it.
And you will never be allowed to use any BSA functions to accomplish your goals numbered 1 and 2. The activists and the ACLU would have you in court the first time any kid claimed unwanted attention due to his being gay. It’d be like the “freedom from religion” arguments and the BSA would not allow any anti-gay sentiments during scout functions, or any singling out of the gay scouts.
The old membership guidelines have six more months to run. Early next year, it will be possible to more accurately assess whether there is any reason to stick around and fight from within.
keep your kids in poofterland and fight within is a losing issue.This will never be undone
What if the message BSA national is sending is something different? They're threading a needle here. The societal shift that is occuring is a reality the BSA must face. From where they stand and seeing all the risks, they've compromised, but in a way that minimizes harm. A way that can be undone or an unrealized blessing. God works in mysterious ways. The BSA is simply reflecting reality and if we want to change that culture it is we who must be on the offensive, without being offensive. We don't have to lose.
Looking at your FR homepage it is obvious that you are the ideal Scout leader - dedicated, informed and committed to fundamental Christian values - likely you've mentored many boys laboring under the mistaken belief that they're 'gay'. You are exactly the type of leader Scouts need and want.
I don't know if you're familiar with the A&M Partnership run by Scott Phelps or not. They teach not only abstinence, but marriage in government schools using an outstanding program based simply on the merits of waiting for sex in marriage and the massive benefits of married life. It works. Consistently kids tell Scott that they cannot believe there is an alternative to what they're being taught. Like people emerging from a desert, they're thirsty for this newfound information and the science is on our side. Man/Woman marriage works and benefits not just the marrieds, but their children and society as a whole.
I can understand your strong feelings on this and I share them. I know how you feel, because I felt the same. My personal approach to setbacks like this is to take the longview, redouble my efforts and fight smarter. Scouting needs you. By observation we can see that if conservatives abandon organizations that vacuum is filled by those in the opposition. Conservatives cannot be catastrophists, but realists recognizing not just how things are, but how they should be. Losing your example, along with thousands like you, makes a bad situation worse. The enemy is coming, they're in the wire. Now is not the time to surrender, but to fight harder. Take care, FRiend.
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