Skip to comments.Mind Over Matter: Debunking Alternative Medicines
Posted on 07/03/2013 12:49:19 PM PDT by EveningStar
When Dr. Paul A. Offit published Autisms False Prophets in 2008, he elected to skip the usual round of book signings. His defense of childhood vaccinations so enraged some people who consider them a cause of autism that he was getting credible death threats.
Others might have chosen to flee the public arena after that, but not Dr. Offit, the chief of infectious diseases at Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia, whose appetite for the good fight seems only to have grown. Over the last decade he has become a leading debunker of mass misconceptions surrounding infections and vaccines, and now he is taking on the entire field of alternative medicine, from acupuncture to vitamins.
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Absolutely. Just to pick one subject out of many, try comparing any pre-1814 book on astronomy to a modern one.
Has more to do with hygiene and diet then fluoride in the water.
few does not equal none.
Yeah. I would add that my maternal ancestors who had their babies at home with midwives had much much lower mortality than those who had their babies in hospitals prior to the advent of antibiotics. I only counted one ‘country mom’ who lost her life in childbearing in the 150 years prior to 2000. And that was her first. The first baby was the litmus test apparently.
Both my parents were born at home. I asked my grandmother once why she had my mom at home, in 1941, when there was a hospital literally 2 blocks away. She got a horrified look on her face and said hospitals were death traps prior to antibiotics and nobody went there unless they were near to dying. My great aunt was a RN and was the assist at my grandmothers births prior to the doc getting there.
Antibiotics are great things. Proper sanitation ensures they’re not unnecessarily overused and invalidated via resistance mechanisms.
Absolutely. Soon alternative medicine may be the only option if the govt decides you arent worth spending money on.
Egyptians were doing brain surgery.
Western medicine is better at some things. They are much worse at others.
Actually, it was prior to the advent of handwashing.
Puerperal fever, the great maternal killer, was almost always a result of poor attendant sanitation.
Hospital mortalities declined significantly post introduction of sulfa drugs and even more significantly post antibiotics.
My mom was one of the first kids in this state to receive antibiotics after surgery for appendicitis.
But yeah, Semmelweis was a genius. Too bad the ‘establishment’ shunned his ideas and killed women for decades afterwards.
So much for established medical ‘consensus’ being the best guide for effectiveness.
That worked out great for the H. Pylori guys too. They nearly lost their licenses to practice with that idea. Who ever knew most ulcers might have a bacterial cause.
Good thing consensus was wrong then too. My hubby was treated for that.
I will not drink water with flouride-I drank bottled water in the city because of it. I’ve heard that some cities are discontinuing the fluoride in their water-must be a reason. Why not stay away from the sugary stuff, brush and floss, and teach the kids to do the same? People’s teeth aren’t the government’s business, any more than what we eat or drink is...
Unfortunately, Semmelweis was also a world-class jerk.
If you’re far ahead of your time, it’s a good idea to not be so confrontational about it that people reject your ideas because they can’t stand you.
Or at least that’s my explanation for why my ideas aren’t more widely accepted.
If the science is good the presentation shouldn’t matter.
Too bad the consensus establishment minds were all petty and closed on the matter.
Too bad for all the women killed in the ensuing decades.
Having been in science for decades I can tell you that undoubtedly Semmelweis wasn’t the only egotistical jerk involved. Just ask Michael Mann about being an egotistical jerk.
My whole family uses natural remedies-so I don’t want any of their stuff-it is already obvious from all the drug-related lawsuits that I’ll live longer without it...
Flouride is a by product of aluminum production. Decades ago Alcoa didn’t have a good way to dispose of all the flouride it was producing so they convinced the government to add it to drinking water. It is definitely poisonous and should not be consumed on a regular basis. If you want to use flouride to prevent cavities use it in toothpaste or an oral rinse. Please don’t make every man woman and child in town ingest it on a daily basis.
BTW, my boss came back three years ago or so from Belize with some sort of tropical infection that turned into colitis.
Tried very hard to treat it with nutrition, etc. because he didn’t like “modern medicine.” Then his colon ruptured, he had to have emergency surgery to remove the entire colon, and his heart stopped 3x on the table.
Modern medicine saved his ass.
My personal take is that the alternative stuff may often be great for maintenance, but if you’ve got something seriously wrong modern medicine is a whole lot more likely to save your life.
Look up the survival rates for wounded soldiers in various wars over the last 200 years. We think of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as comparatively low in deaths, but the main reason is that so many are saved after wounding. Most of whom would have died in earlier wars.
Doctors had this whole ego thing going then too. They were offended by being told that they themselves were the cause of childbed fever.
The problem is they were.
When I had a whiplash, I went to the emergency room at nearby hospital, my doctor, a physical therapist as prescribed by doctor, and an acupuncturist, in that order.
The hospital X-ray tech made several mistakes, meaning I had several unnecessary X-rays and who knows how much radiation. They prescribed painkillers that were far, far too strong, knocking me unconscious unnecessarily.
The doctor prescribed other meds, with the same results.
The physical therapist made the pain worse.
The accupuncturist, an old Chinese doc, gave me two days of relief every time I saw him. A good result.
The person who eventually took the pain away was a physical therapist who was also a Feldenkrais practitioner. She did zero phys therapy and all Feldenkrais stuff...an hour of her time meant she was working on me for 55 minutes. EXCELLENT result. Pain left, more or less permanently.
A couple of years later, I had to see the insurance company doctor. He was very pleasant and thorough, wrote a report saying they should NOT pay for “ineffective” accupuncture and Feldenkrais — the ONLY things that helped. The medical racketeer, protecting others.
So, no, I’m not very interested in conventional medicine, tho someday I may need surgery or something like that, so I leave the door open. But I simply do not believe in it. And try to live in such a way that I don’t need to get into the medical merry-go-round. Do not trust BigPHarma nor BigDoc.
The great things from ‘modern medicine’ are antibiotics, sterile surgical suites, blood transfusions and diagnostic equipment.
The rest is iffy at best.
You can’t ‘alternative’ medicine repairing that femoral artery ruptured in the auto accident.
Avoiding gluten and wheat related products to cure eczema that’s been plagueing you since childhood? Yup. Worked better than the zillion creams and pills every derm east of the mississippi had prescribed for 35 years. Been gluten free for 2 years now and had zero eczema.
Guess how many derms suggested my problem might be dietary intolerance?
I want my money back.
The fact that sewage lines, septic tanks and such are closed, underground, and 100+ feet away from wells/water lines, rather than open, germ-infested ditches right next to wells, vegetable gardens, etc. Also helps to keep the livestock in their own barn, detached from the house...
Yes, they were...and how successful were they compared to 21st Century doctors treating similar ailments?
Western medicine is better at some things. They are much worse at others.
I can speak from personal experience regarding one area of medicine; I was diagnosed with stage III kidney cancer last year. I was taking my yearly physical, and there were microscopic amounts of blood in my urine. Not wanting to take a chance, my doctor had me get a C/T scan, which revealed the tumor.
I took an experimental drug (pazopanib) which shrunk the tumor by 2/3rds over the course of 3 months, and then had a partial nephrectomy (kidney removal) at the Cleveland Clinic. I had to get a partial because my other kidney, while otherwise healthy, was only 1/4 the normal size (born that way, had no idea until then).
Long story short: I'm now cancer-free, and going on a photo safari to South Africa in a month. Modern medicine works!
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