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Together, the two programs show that snail mail is subject to the same kind of scrutiny that the National Security Agency has given to telephone calls and e-mail....................and we wonder why the Post Office is broke?
1 posted on 07/03/2013 11:34:28 AM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

Not to mention that little room in the basement where demoted NSA hacks steam them open.


2 posted on 07/03/2013 11:37:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: mandaladon

ELF is a terrorist group. If he is/was a member I HOPE someone’s watching him.


3 posted on 07/03/2013 11:37:45 AM PDT by DManA
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I haven’t put a return address on an envelope since I found out about “closed cover” monitoring in the 1970’s.

Can’t find a reference with a quick search, but IIRC the Nixon administration was having the post office record return addresses on letters directed to certain recipients.

Never give a government access to ANY information you wouldn’t give to your bitterest enemy.


5 posted on 07/03/2013 11:41:46 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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Possible NJCT ping.


6 posted on 07/03/2013 11:43:32 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: mandaladon

Shocking.


9 posted on 07/03/2013 11:47:19 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mandaladon

And why we don’t trust the USPS. Not only are they lazy incompetent rude buffoons, they are also spies.


11 posted on 07/03/2013 11:48:11 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: mandaladon

In the old days of Russia there used to be so many people listening to phone calls that the actual people talking had trouble hearing each other.

Sounds like were in a similar position, just with better technology.


14 posted on 07/03/2013 11:51:39 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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19 posted on 07/03/2013 11:55:48 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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All USA mail was being scanned for Zip+4 codes since at least 2002.

Most “pre-sort” mail - like monthly bills and advertisements - is handled by sub-contractors, so it might not be digitally archived.

But most personal mail is coded by the USPS, and scanned on both sides, either by computer or by a remote CRT operator.

I know that gets archived for system analysis, but I don't know for how long.

20 posted on 07/03/2013 11:57:11 AM PDT by zeestephen
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The Postmaster General
22 posted on 07/03/2013 11:57:29 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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Did he keep that card?

This is no surprise. A government that monitors electronic communications is not going to let paper mail slip by.

There is no such thing as deleting a computer file. There are an unknown number of backups.

BTW, I don’t care.


26 posted on 07/03/2013 12:04:54 PM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: mandaladon

Are the new ugly print-on-demand stamps at the USPS self-service kiosks part of the surveillance system? One of the numbers seems to identify the kiosk. Is the other linked to the credit card number of the buyer?


27 posted on 07/03/2013 12:06:27 PM PDT by omega4412
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There are legal avenues to travel to circumvent this communism legally, Say I!

viz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Express_Statutes

History[edit]

The United States Congress originally passed the PES in 1792, under powers granted it in the United States Constitution to “establish Post Offices and Post Roads”. The PES created a governmental monopoly on the carriage and delivery of letter mail, and ensured that this monopoly can be enforced. Today the USPS is empowered to suspend the PES, if it believes such a private postal service would be in the interests of the general public.

The PES consists of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1693–1696 and 39 U.S.C. §§ 601–606, implemented under 39 Code of Federal Regulations Parts 310 and 320. These forbid all carriage and delivery of letter mail by private organizations, except as described in the next section. The PES only cover “letters” and not other mailable items such as parcels or periodicals.

Exceptions[edit]

“Extremely urgent” letters[edit]

In 1979 the Postal Service authorized the delivery of extremely urgent letters outside the USPS; this has given rise to delivery services such as Federal Express and UPS’s express mail services. These letters must either cost at least the greater of $3 or twice what First Class (or Priority) mail service would cost, or they must be delivered within strict time limits or otherwise lose value. They must be marked “EXTREMELY URGENT”. Records of pick up and delivery must be maintained for Postal Service inspection if the time sensitive exception is being used.

Lawful private carriage[edit]

It is possible to set up a private mail delivery service known as “lawful private carriage” if the USPS postage is paid in addition to any private postage fee that is collected. Records must be maintained that such postage has been paid, and it must be affixed to the letter cover by U.S. stamps, meter imprints or through another method approved by the USPS; the postage must be canceled by the sender in ink; the date of mailing must be affixed in ink to the cover (either by sender or carrier); and the letter cannot be removed without defacing the cover from the envelope or other container in which the letter is sent. An agreement must be entered into with the Postal Service to conduct volume private carriage through the Chicago Rates and Classification Service Center which has national responsibility for the PES.

Occasional private mail delivery[edit]

One does not need to establish a private mail delivery service for the occasional commercial transport of a letter outside the mails so long as the rate which would have been due to the USPS is affixed in stamps, the stamps are cancelled in ink, and the date of receipt by the carrier or the transport of the letter, are noted thereon. All these privately carried letters can bear a private cancellation if the cancellation is done in ink; private cancellations are different from private overprints on postage stamps.

Special messenger services[edit]

There are limited exceptions for special messenger services which deliver less than twenty-five letters for an individual or company per occasion. In such case no postage need be paid or affixed to the letters; pick up and delivery can be from private residences and commercial businesses.

Free delivery[edit]

The delivery of letters without compensation and without the affixation or payment of any postage is allowed under 39 CFR 310.3(c) by third parties, and under 39 CFR 310.3(b) for one’s own letters which includes regular employees only delivering company mail. Thus, it is not a violation of the PES if one delivers a letter of one’s friend even without affixation of postage or if a company has one of its regular employees deliver mail that originates from the company to its customers. Compensation is considered to include barter and goodwill. Thus an individual or business who receives a benefit for the delivery of letters does not fall under such a free carriage exception. For example, buying a friend dinner in exchange for having him deliver a letter is not considered without compensation; in such a case one would be required to affix and cancel a sufficient amount of postage to the letter. Another example not falling under this exception would be a business that is carrying letters “free of charge” in the hopes of building business or incidental to some other delivery as an accommodation for its customer; this use would also require the affixation and cancellation of a sufficient amount of postage to be in compliance with the PES.

Cargo delivery[edit]

There is an exception for the delivery of what otherwise would be considered a letter if it is sent with cargo and the letter is somehow incidental to the ordering, delivery or shipping of the cargo [39 CFR 310.3(a)].

Other exceptions[edit]

Other exceptions to the PES include:
Letters that at some point during their pick-up or delivery had previously entered into the USPS mailstream, unless the letters are consolidated.
Letters addressed to specific persons that fall outside the purview of the PES.[citation needed]
Certain documents and objects that are not considered letters, even though containing a message.

===or1. send it on a cuneiform tablet marked as “Antique”
2. put coded messages in want ads of newspapers
3. send by semaphore or
4. smoke signals or
5. pigeons or
6. 3-d imprinted objects or
7. inside of fortune cookies
8. or on toilet paper
9. or a taxi service delivering passengers with tapes, dvd etc
10. or inside of a book as pages at book rate[cheap!]
11. or LOS tv camera or laser transmission with relay stations [12-22 miles per relay.
12. or by beer trucks containing messages in bottles
13. by individuals with duct-taped messages stuck to the inside wall of their cars and “stolen off’ by someone who came into the car. [non-delivery]
14. boxes of letters hand-carried onto trains as lap baggage
15. microstamping message on objects` interiors
16. put your address as the receiver and put the sender`s name on the top right hand corner and drop into mailbox with no postage


29 posted on 07/03/2013 12:10:00 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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LOL - RON NIXON was able to fine ONE liberal being snooped on when there’s millions of conservatives who have to deal with that indignity? The New York Times has found a new low.


30 posted on 07/03/2013 12:10:48 PM PDT by GOPJ ((MSNBC?)... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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they are all in the new nsa data warehouse.


31 posted on 07/03/2013 12:13:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Got fascism?

33 posted on 07/03/2013 12:19:04 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Funny they did not pick up all the IRS returns sent to the same address in NC that totaled over 4 million dollars. Seems Obama can’t even do that right.


35 posted on 07/03/2013 12:21:24 PM PDT by nclaurel
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Gee, I wonder why. He was a member of ELF.


40 posted on 07/03/2013 12:29:25 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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The word, ‘Behemoth’ comes to mind. Good point about the Post Office’s being broke.


49 posted on 07/03/2013 3:04:26 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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“he was a spokesman for the Earth Liberation Front”

He should be locked up for that alone.


50 posted on 07/03/2013 3:06:54 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just wanted to say I hope you great NSA folks are enjoying my posts here.)
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