After Gang of Eight, a new conservative message: Won’t get fooled again

Washington Examiner ^ | 6/29/2013 | Byron York

[sickoflibs]

Try again:

It doesn't matter as far as you are concerned because your position is that legalizing probational leglization w NO path to citizenship to a single illegal who pays $50K in federal income taxes and can get no benefits is the same thing as giving them the vote and my money.

That was the jist of my comment that you jumped on. >

[sickoflibs]

Sorry about that, its late.

[kabar]

I suggest you reread my post #51 to understand my position on the bill. And check out the link.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”I suggest you reread my post #51 to understand my position on the bill. And check out the link.”

No POTUS is deporting them and its gone to far to expect mass self deportation.

It never hurts to have an argument,those are not arguments,

Rubio made lots of promises about the Senate bill most lies regarding taxes and benefits.

And he agreed to give illegals the vote up front.

Since it was worth him lying about it is low hanging fruit to oppose and kill any bill that Dems will accept(and a few GOP Senators apparently) .

But the Mike Savage arguments are 100% losers.

[sickoflibs]

BTW : Ryan is playing the same role in House as Rubio did in the Senate.

To get a bill to Obama.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

It doesn't matter as far as you are concerned because your position is that legalizing probational leglization w NO path to citizenship to a single illegal who pays $50K in federal income taxes and can get no benefits is the same thing as giving them the vote and my money.

Let's assume Boehner keeps his promise and does not allow a vote on the senate immigration bill. If the House then passes "probational leglization w NO path to citizenship" 3 things can happen:

1) Dems won't vote for it and can't compromise with the House in conference, so both parties give up, conservatives celebrate, and Obama turns up the demagoguery.

2) Boehner/Ryan/Cantor send enough RINOs to the conference to add citizenship. Then Boehner would have a dilemma, because whichever GOP faction (pro- and aunti-amesty) loses the following vote in the full House on the conderence bill might hold a grudge for a long time. This is the possibility that drives so many posters (and Bachmann) to insist that the house pass NO immigration bill at all. (But as sickoflibs notes, when the House had no violence against women bill of its own, Boehner brought up the senate VAWA and House GOP cowards helped Dems to pass it.)

3) (I think this is very unlikely) Enough senate Dems vote for the non-citizenship to pass this thing in both houses. This would happen only if rabid pro-amnesty forces thought this would be a way to get part of the way to citizenship.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”3) (I think this is very unlikely) Enough senate Dems vote for the non-citizenship to pass this thing in both houses. This would happen only if rabid pro-amnesty forces thought this would be a way to get part of the way to citizenship.”

If all Dems in house vote no then Reid wont take it up in Senate, and conference goes no-where.

RE :”2) Boehner/Ryan/Cantor send enough RINOs to the conference to add citizenship. Then Boehner would have a dilemma, because whichever GOP faction (pro- and aunti-amesty) loses the following vote in the full House on the conderence bill might hold a grudge for a long time. “

The GOP house is in civil war already.

At this point the argument that the GOP House not pass anything until we see a proposal is attractive. Its a shame that that crap bill got out of Senate.

I suspect that like w the Senate, the House bill will have real issues to argue against, and Rubio will play Ryan’s role as traitor to tell us not to worry that it will be fixed.

I think we can argue against it on issues if its in any way acceptable to Dems.

Maybe Levin, Hannity and Rush need to stop sucking up to Ryan before its too late.

[Windflier]

America, the USSA, is finished.

"I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message!"

[Prince of Space]

Ryan keeps talking about not being able to “seal the border” with all those faceless, nameless illegals stuck here. I guess he’s never heard of a gate, lol. As if sealing the border is the same thing as sewing someone up at the end of an operation. What a traitorous, idiotic putz!

[lodi90]

BTW : Ryan is playing the same role in House as Rubio did in the Senate.

To get a bill to Obama.

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Exactly. This is all choreographed. The beltway GOP are running a harder nosed campaign for amnesty then they did for Romney. Unbelievable.

[Jacquerie]

Popularly derived institutions will always go that way. It is as certain as sunrise tomorrow. The wonder is not that the GOP Senate isn't entirely conservative, but rather that there are any conservatives at all. Booting states out of the senate was a huge mistake that is killing our republic.

[justa-hairyape]

Why would Latinos want to come to a country that treats them like George Zimmerman ?

[Mozilla]

Lot of us here weren’t fooled. We knew when Marco was drafting up the republican dream act he was a fraud and turned his back on everything he said in getting elected. That was two years ago.

[Mozilla]

time to go and create a third party. The constitution party is not an adequate replacement. Plus it is too isolationist. Too many people hate Obama for there not to be a real anti-Obama/anti-Democrat party that has congressional candidates.

[SeminoleCounty]

If there is no deportation of illegal aliens....it is Amnesty

[Liz]

Ryan compounded his stupidity by his sap-happy claim that reform would "take them out of the shadows, so that they can give us their real identities."

MEMO TO RYAN your sap-happy faith in latino human nature will not be rewarded---not by these conniving primitive invaders sucking off taxpayers bigtime.

Using multiple identities is v-e-r-y profitable.

<><> one latino illegal (one who got caught) scammed UI for some $3.4 MILLION.

<><> The Washington state latino rapist had some 30 identities---all riding the US gravy train.

<><> $43 million IRS refunds were sent to one address---that's about 37,000 fake ids---just at one address.

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Cackle---gee, I just can't wait til La Raza comes out of the shadows, can you? They colluded w/ vote crazed US pols to extort millions from US taxpayers---that's only the beginning.

The greedy hate-America primitives made sure "immigration “reform” includes two “slush funds” amounting to $150,000,000 that may be supplemented with additional taxpayer dollars for years to come, earmarked for non-profit organizations such as the blood-thirsty La Raza.

LA RAZA TEACHING HATE-AMERICA WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS La Raza Studies do not even try to sugar-coat its anti-America agenda and its bloodthirsty plans to kill off Americans: Raza Studies textbook “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a violent and blood-curdling speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is, if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323).

The following is taken directly from La Raza's Occupied America (pg. 167): “.......execute all white males over age 16,” (AKA the Plan of San Diego).

America-hating Raza Studies teach (1) violence, (2) undermining US ntl security, and, (3) the need for Mexico to "re-take seven states in the Southwest...in order to make the SW a Chicano nation. "

SCHOOL BOARD NUT CASES Adelita Grijalva is the woman on the Arizona school board pimping La Raza indoctrination programs in Tuscon schools. Adelita is all up in arms about Raza Studies getting tossed via the AZ state legislature's action...she is the daughter of Raul Grijalva (D-AZ-7) who was just narrowly re-elected to our US Congress. Cong Raul Grijalva is one of Mexico’s most productive and loyal Fifth Column in the US Congress....aiding and abetting the latino criminal underworld, colluding to take back the SW, and loot and pillage the US treasury.

Raul and friend.

[SC_Pete]

Yes, the 17th Amendment is killing us.

[VRW Conspirator]

Punk’d = Rubio’ed

[VRW Conspirator]

How many examiners would it take to give 11 million probationary American citizens English exams? How many teachers?

Let me call this plan, unsustainable!

[VietVet]

“Do you hear the people’s voice?
It is the sound of angry men;
It is the song of the people
Who will not be fooled again...”

The political class isn’t afraid of the people unless we are willing to go to the barricades.

‘Course, in “Les Miz” (and in France in 1832) the people on the Barricade lost.