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It doesn't matter as far as you are concerned because your position is that legalizing probational leglization w NO path to citizenship to a single illegal who pays $50K in federal income taxes and can get no benefits is the same thing as giving them the vote and my money.

Let's assume Boehner keeps his promise and does not allow a vote on the senate immigration bill. If the House then passes "probational leglization w NO path to citizenship" 3 things can happen:

1) Dems won't vote for it and can't compromise with the House in conference, so both parties give up, conservatives celebrate, and Obama turns up the demagoguery.

2) Boehner/Ryan/Cantor send enough RINOs to the conference to add citizenship. Then Boehner would have a dilemma, because whichever GOP faction (pro- and aunti-amesty) loses the following vote in the full House on the conderence bill might hold a grudge for a long time. This is the possibility that drives so many posters (and Bachmann) to insist that the house pass NO immigration bill at all. (But as sickoflibs notes, when the House had no violence against women bill of its own, Boehner brought up the senate VAWA and House GOP cowards helped Dems to pass it.)

3) (I think this is very unlikely) Enough senate Dems vote for the non-citizenship to pass this thing in both houses. This would happen only if rabid pro-amnesty forces thought this would be a way to get part of the way to citizenship.

RE :”3) (I think this is very unlikely) Enough senate Dems vote for the non-citizenship to pass this thing in both houses. This would happen only if rabid pro-amnesty forces thought this would be a way to get part of the way to citizenship.”

If all Dems in house vote no then Reid wont take it up in Senate, and conference goes no-where.

RE :”2) Boehner/Ryan/Cantor send enough RINOs to the conference to add citizenship. Then Boehner would have a dilemma, because whichever GOP faction (pro- and aunti-amesty) loses the following vote in the full House on the conderence bill might hold a grudge for a long time. “

The GOP house is in civil war already.

At this point the argument that the GOP House not pass anything until we see a proposal is attractive. Its a shame that that crap bill got out of Senate.

I suspect that like w the Senate, the House bill will have real issues to argue against, and Rubio will play Ryan’s role as traitor to tell us not to worry that it will be fixed.

I think we can argue against it on issues if its in any way acceptable to Dems.

Maybe Levin, Hannity and Rush need to stop sucking up to Ryan before its too late.

Ryan compounded his stupidity by his sap-happy claim that reform would "take them out of the shadows, so that they can give us their real identities."

MEMO TO RYAN your sap-happy faith in latino human nature will not be rewarded---not by these conniving primitive invaders sucking off taxpayers bigtime.

Using multiple identities is v-e-r-y profitable.

<><> one latino illegal (one who got caught) scammed UI for some $3.4 MILLION.

<><> The Washington state latino rapist had some 30 identities---all riding the US gravy train.

<><> $43 million IRS refunds were sent to one address---that's about 37,000 fake ids---just at one address.

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Cackle---gee, I just can't wait til La Raza comes out of the shadows, can you? They colluded w/ vote crazed US pols to extort millions from US taxpayers---that's only the beginning.

The greedy hate-America primitives made sure "immigration “reform” includes two “slush funds” amounting to $150,000,000 that may be supplemented with additional taxpayer dollars for years to come, earmarked for non-profit organizations such as the blood-thirsty La Raza.

LA RAZA TEACHING HATE-AMERICA WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS La Raza Studies do not even try to sugar-coat its anti-America agenda and its bloodthirsty plans to kill off Americans: Raza Studies textbook “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a violent and blood-curdling speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is, if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323).

The following is taken directly from La Raza's Occupied America (pg. 167): “.......execute all white males over age 16,” (AKA the Plan of San Diego).

America-hating Raza Studies teach (1) violence, (2) undermining US ntl security, and, (3) the need for Mexico to "re-take seven states in the Southwest...in order to make the SW a Chicano nation. "

SCHOOL BOARD NUT CASES Adelita Grijalva is the woman on the Arizona school board pimping La Raza indoctrination programs in Tuscon schools. Adelita is all up in arms about Raza Studies getting tossed via the AZ state legislature's action...she is the daughter of Raul Grijalva (D-AZ-7) who was just narrowly re-elected to our US Congress. Cong Raul Grijalva is one of Mexico’s most productive and loyal Fifth Column in the US Congress....aiding and abetting the latino criminal underworld, colluding to take back the SW, and loot and pillage the US treasury.

Raul and friend.