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After Gang of Eight, a new conservative message: Won’t get fooled again
Washington Examiner ^ | 6/29/2013 | Byron York

Posted on 06/29/2013 7:12:27 PM PDT by markomalley

Many conservatives gave Sen. Marco Rubio the benefit of the doubt when he said securing the border first was a top priority for the Gang of Eight comprehensive immigration reform effort. Later, when those conservatives realized that Rubio’s plan would first legalize the country’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, and only then put new border security measures in place, they expressed deep disappointment and disillusionment.

Now the Gang bill has passed the Senate and immigration is the work of the House, where former vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan is a leading reform advocate. Ryan favors the same legalization-first sequence for immigration reform that Rubio and the Gang did. The difference is that now, more conservatives are aware of the basics of reform proposals. And that means Ryan might be in for a rougher ride with the conservative base than Rubio experienced.

That, at least, is one conclusion to take from Ryan’s appearance last Wednesday on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program. Hannity interviewed Rubio several times during the Gang of Eight deliberations. In later interviews, Hannity became more skeptical and questioning, and in the last such interview expressed surprise that Rubio had declared legalization would come before border security. With Ryan in the interview chair, the first thing Hannity wanted to know was when securing the border would come in the sequence of immigration reform.

“I’m sure you are aware, a lot of conservatives including myself are angry,” Hannity told Ryan. “No border security first. How do you feel about it?”

Ryan stressed that the House would not take up the Senate Gang of Eight bill. “We want to have real triggers on the border, real triggers on what we call the E-Verify,” Ryan said. But Hannity wanted to know if that meant border security would come first: “Is securing the border first a top priority for you?” he asked.

“It is a top priority for me,” Ryan answered. But then Ryan explained that immigration reform as he envisions it would, like the Gang of Eight bill, begin with legalization, and only after that would it do the work of securing the border:

Hear what I say. What we’re talking about in the House is we’re saying, people who are here undocumented, because we realize we cannot deport 11 million people and find them and deport them, so we want to put them on a probationary status, that’s the kind of thinking we have here, and they can’t get out of that probationary status, they can’t get legal permanent residence, which is what Chuck Grassley was talking there*, until these border efforts are made, until the border is secure, until the E-Verify set up.

Now, we don’t want to leave it to the executive branch like Janet Napolitano to make that decision, we want objective metrics, we want Congress’ auditing on the General Accountability Office to tell us whether or not these metrics have been met, whether or not the border is really secure, whether or not the verification system is up and running. And only until that has occurred can a person in this status change their status from probation to something other than that.

Ryan’s position could not have been clearer: First, comes the legalization, and then come the measures to secure the border.

Hannity was skeptical and challenging. “My sources have been telling me, congressman, that you guys are considering a five-year temporary legal status, and then if the border security measure is not met in five years, that that would be revoked.”

“That’s right,” Ryan said. “That’s right.”

“I don’t believe that would ever happen,” Hannity shot back. Ryan answered:

Well, look, they can’t get — what a person would want to have, is they would come out of the shadows, they’d get put on probation, they’d pay taxes, pay fines, learn English, learn civics. If they break the terms of their probation, they can be deported. And if the border is not secure by that time, if the verification system is not up and running, they can’t get — not only does the status go away, they can’t get legal permanent residence…

If you want to get this population, the undocumented population, in legal permanent residency, get them a green hard, then these other things have to happen first, the border has to be secured, the E-Verify system has to be up and running. That’s the kind of system we’re talking about here in the House.

That is precisely the structure provided for in the Senate Gang of Eight bill that Senate Republicans opposed two-to-one. Hannity sensed that immediately.

“But what I’m hearing you say, is you’re still giving them legal status first, albeit temporary,” Hannity said. “And I think I speak for a lot of people, congressman. Most people see that when we are promised spending cuts, we get the tax increase, we never get the spending cut. We get the amnesty, we never get the border security. Why wouldn’t you support something such as expediting, building the security measures in — I mean, we sent men to the moon, couldn’t we do within 12 months, 18 months?

Ryan didn’t answer the question, instead stressing that legalization is necessary for the government to learn the real identities of the 11 million currently illegal immigrants. “We think it’s important to get legal immigration working in order to secure the border, to do it this way,” Ryan said. “This is not giving anybody an amnesty.”

“All right,” Hannity said. “So, what you’re saying is, temporary legal status, do you blame me for being suspicious — ”

“Not at all,” said Ryan.

” — that it would never be revoked, whether or not the border was ever secure?” Hannity said. “That why I think myself and a lot of conservatives are saying, don’t we have a right to have sovereign borders and that done first? Why not do that first?”

“Sean, I’m suspicious as well,” Ryan said. Past reforms have not worked, Ryan added, and this time, he wants to take a “wide gate, high fence” approach to immigration. “We think legal immigration that works and is viable is the best way of securing the border — it’s sort of a wide gate, high-fence approach….We need a workable legal immigration system, while we get the border under control and have employment verification system, because illegal immigration and identity theft are sort of one in the same thing.”

No matter how many times Hannity asked the question, Ryan’s answer was still the same: legalization first. But Hannity kept trying. “You know, I’m listening to you, and obviously, you put a lot of thought into this,” he told Ryan. “I talk to a lot of conservatives, they write me, they’re writing me right now on Twitter, and I can predict for you what the answer is going to be. If you don’t trust the government, and I don’t trust the government, and we can send a man on the moon, why don’t we just secure the border and expedite it immediately? Make it a national security priority and then deal with these other issues. Why is that not an option for you?”

“Because in order to secure the border, you have to have a workable legal immigration system that people who are trying to come to this country to work have a way of coming here legally,” Ryan said. “You can’t just seal it off, you need to make sure that people can come here legally and we also have to remember, we’ve got 11 million people in the country who are undocumented who either overstayed their visa or crossed the border illegally. What are we going to do? We’re not going to be able to find them and deport them. We have to find a way of dealing with this population, we want to do it in a way that respects the rule of law, and puts them at the back of the line, so that everybody who did things right — ”

“Can’t you do that after the border is secure, though?” asked Hannity.

“We think it goes with the border,” Ryan said. “We think it’s the best way to secure the border is to have this workable legal immigration system alongside it.”

By that point, it was obvious that Ryan is firmly and probably unchangeably committed to the legalization-first approach. Knowing that many conservative Republicans are firmly and probably unchangeably committed to an enforcement-first approach, Hannity moved on to the consequences of an internecine fight over the issue. “I’m concerned that there’s going to be a conservative revolt and a divide in the Republican Party,” he said. “Are you at all worried about that?”

“Of course I’m worried about that,” Ryan said. “But I want to get it right. I want it to work.”

Hannity’s tone was respectful throughout. But all in all, the interview had an entirely different tone from the questions asked Marco Rubio early in the Senate Gang of Eight process. Look for Paul Ryan to face a more aggressive, and more skeptical, conservative media as the House reform work goes forward.

 

* It’s unclear what Ryan meant by the reference to Grassley. The Iowa senator introduced an amendment that would have delayed the initial legalization of immigrants until after border security measures were in place. That was a non-starter both for Democrats on the Gang of Eight and would most likely be for Democrats in the House as well.


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After Gang of Eight, a new conservative message: Won’t get fooled again Go To Hell GOP

1 posted on 06/29/2013 7:12:27 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

While chasing 2% or 3% more Hispanic votes, these clueless wonders will drive away at least 20% of the conservative base. They will not win without the Right.


2 posted on 06/29/2013 7:16:52 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: markomalley

3 posted on 06/29/2013 7:18:07 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: markomalley

Of course we’ll be fooled again because the system’s broken.


4 posted on 06/29/2013 7:19:56 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: markomalley

The Republican party is nothing more then Marxist Lite.
America, the USSA, is finished.


5 posted on 06/29/2013 7:20:41 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: markomalley

What’s the over/under on another Congressional sell out?


6 posted on 06/29/2013 7:22:39 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: AlexW

Got any spare rooms for rent, AlexW? :)

I say that half in jest, but things aren’t going quite as well as they ought to here in the good ol’ USSA.


7 posted on 06/29/2013 7:23:57 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: markomalley

How many times have we heard this?

I say the odds are about fifty to one that the house will end up passing an immigration bill that will go into conference with the senate bill.

The compromise will basically be everything in the senate bill.

O’Bozo will sign it into alw with much fanfare just in time to give democrats a big boost in the 2014 elections.


8 posted on 06/29/2013 7:28:54 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Rubio's New Book: From Nobody To Senator, To Conservative savior, Then Back To Nobody")
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To: txrefugee

I agree with your assessment. They are destroying the party in hopes of getting a few diversity votes. I for one will have a very hard time pulling the lever for any NY RNC selected candidate every again. When I find a job in a red state, I will never worry about the NY RNC selected crappy candidates again.


9 posted on 06/29/2013 7:29:08 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: markomalley

“It (securing the border) is a top priority with me.” Then Paul Ryan goes on to admit that legalization is actually his ‘top priority.’
Here’s something new: preemptive lying.


10 posted on 06/29/2013 7:30:18 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: markomalley

I find it interesting that all these RINO’s that love the illegals so much let Romney destroy Perry with the issue in the debates. Yet now nearly all of them (including Romney) are far FAR more to the left of Perry.


11 posted on 06/29/2013 7:31:09 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: markomalley
My dear FRiends.

May I introduce a new term?

DeRubiofication

Ryan favors the same legalization-first sequence for immigration reform that Rubio and the Gang did. The difference is that now, more conservatives are aware of the basics of reform proposals. And that means Ryan might be in for a rougher ride with the conservative base than Rubio experienced.

Someone I once mistakenly admired, Ryan, must be "DeRubiofied" in the forthcoming primary election, just as Mister Rubio must in 2016. An alternative, conservative (and squeaky clean) conservative must be found and run against the (alleged) GOP incumbent. Ideally, a veteran.

We must remove RINOS and wobblies from the GOP via the primary process. (We voters must show them the strength that they so sadly lack.)

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12 posted on 06/29/2013 7:32:11 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: markomalley

Which laws do I get to ignore?


13 posted on 06/29/2013 7:34:26 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: meyer

“Got any spare rooms for rent, AlexW? :)”
__________________________________________

Well, not really. My wife and I, and our 28 month old boy
live in a two room cottage, but there are always places available.
I can see that things are tough in Obozoland, as many more people, including FReepers, are jumping on the expat band wagon.


14 posted on 06/29/2013 7:35:21 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: markomalley

Here’s an interesting analysis of Sen Rubio’s claims:

http://www.cis.org/rubio-deceptive-amnesty-ad


15 posted on 06/29/2013 7:35:55 PM PDT by buridan
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To: markomalley

To be honest, I didn’t see a lot of people who were fooled about it. Let’s face it, if anyone was fooled by that this time, they’re going to get fooled again, no doubt about it.


16 posted on 06/29/2013 7:37:22 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: markomalley

We need a new Party: one that voluntarily commits to term limits. Citizens with conscience can say “No and HELL, NO!!!” Enough with the professional political class.


17 posted on 06/29/2013 7:38:32 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I’m out. Changed my registration to Independent and returned my GOP fundraising letter with 0.00 contribution and “No Amnesty” written on it in red Sharpie. I like my congressman Mike Rogers but I will be voting Constitution Party and not giving one cent to the GOP traitors.


18 posted on 06/29/2013 7:38:44 PM PDT by g.i.joe
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To: AlexW

A real minority party could at least tell the truth.


19 posted on 06/29/2013 7:39:41 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: markomalley
The writing was on the wall with Marco Rubio.


Neither Rubio Nor His Amnesty Plan Is Conservative - 22 May 2013
Rubio's amnesty plan is debunked for the sham that it is.
Marco Rubio Would Expand "Liberal International Order" - 18 February 2013
Marco Rubio demands more U.S. "leadership" in a growing "liberal international order."
Amnesty: More Proof That Rubio is No Conservative - 31 January 2013
Rubio's position on immigration is more proof that he is no different than John McCain or Lindsey Graham.
Marco Rubio: No Conservative - 11 January 2013
It is shown that from his positions on various issues, Marco Rubio is just as much a proponent of Big Government as any other establishment politician.
Despite Minor Differences, Romney and Rubio Look to UN For Syrian Policy - 03 August 2012
Mitt Romney and possible running mate Marco Rubio disagree on a few points with regard to Syria, but both look to the UN for cues on Syrian policy.
Are Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal Natural-born Citizens? - 29 July 2012
There is significant evidence that neither Marco Rubio nor Bobby Jindal is a natural born citizen as required of President by the Constitution.
Rubio Embraces Interventionist Foreign Policy - 30 April 2012
In Wednesday's speech at the Brookings Institution, Sen. Marco Rubio made it clear he would pose no threat to the interventionist foreign policy of both political parties.

20 posted on 06/29/2013 7:41:51 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: markomalley

Ryan is not a constitutional conservative. He’s a card-carrying member of the cheap labor party. I hope he’s primaried.


21 posted on 06/29/2013 7:44:36 PM PDT by grania
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To: markomalley

The illegals came across the border under their own power. They can go back the same way, and will if employment opportunities dry up.

Strong employer penalties for hiring illegals (fines and incarceration) would eliminate opportunities for illegals to work. This also would increase employment opportunities for welfare queens, chronic unemployed and others sucking on the government teat.


22 posted on 06/29/2013 7:44:45 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk
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To: markomalley

The illegals came across the border under their own power. They can go back the same way, and will if employment opportunities dry up.

Strong employer penalties for hiring illegals (fines and incarceration) would eliminate opportunities for illegals to work. This also would increase employment opportunities for welfare queens, chronic unemployed and others sucking on the government teat.


23 posted on 06/29/2013 7:44:46 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk
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To: markomalley

They push this through, I am done with them. Let the party implode if they succeed granting legal status to a person who is here by breaking the law and overstaying a visa. You or I would not be allowed to remain in another country under those circumstances. A new resistance will form from the grassroots. They are Not going to change political directions, I don’t see it. Like Rubio, they are beholding to the rich club guys who pour money into the party for returns of getting what they want. Wealthier mass more riches; the working family will be like re-living the Carter days/struggling for work, tho only worse. Imo.


24 posted on 06/29/2013 7:46:07 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: markomalley; Liz; cripplecreek; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :” Many conservatives gave Sen. Marco Rubio the benefit of the doubt when he said securing the border first was a top priority for the Gang of Eight comprehensive immigration reform effort. Later, when those conservatives realized that Rubio’s plan would first legalize the country’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, and only then put new border security measures in place, they expressed deep disappointment and disillusionment.
Now the Gang bill has passed the Senate and immigration is the work of the House, where former vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan is a leading reform advocate. Ryan favors the same legalization-first sequence for immigration reform that Rubio and the Gang did. The difference is that now, more conservatives are aware of the basics of reform proposals. And that means Ryan might be in for a rougher ride with the conservative base than Rubio experienced”
,,,,”Well, look, they can’t get — what a person would want to have, is they would come out of the shadows, they’d get put on probation, they’d pay taxes, pay fines, learn English, learn civics. “

What taxes will they be paying Ryan?? The EITC?

What good does it do to have them paying payroll/entitlement taxes if they get the money back in EITC and then later get the entitlements too?

Immediate probational legalization wouldn't be bad if it came with the condition that they REALLY pay (income) taxes and don't get ANY handouts. If it required them to be part of the 53%. Many wouldn't come forward in that case, which is why the Senate bill has all those loopholes. We could use some more taxpayers.

25 posted on 06/29/2013 7:50:27 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: markomalley

Despite that “people for a conservative direction” disinformation ad that’s been circulating on the TV and radio, I don’t think any informed and principled conservatives were fooled by the Gang of Eight.


26 posted on 06/29/2013 7:50:43 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: g.i.joe

So, let me get this right...the guys that died at the Alamo fighting for their country, should have just raised the white flag and surrendered to Santa Ana because it would be just too difficult to defeat the nice guy Mexicans?

It’s just too difficult to deport all of the illegals? Oh my, well then, resign your government position and allow people with stiffer backs to enforce the laws of this country. How on earth did we end up with such Nancy boys running this country?


27 posted on 06/29/2013 7:52:16 PM PDT by Delta Dawn
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To: markomalley

Rubio may as well start working on his real estate license.

Ryan too, for that matter.

If these guys are GOP, I’m not.


28 posted on 06/29/2013 7:53:21 PM PDT by marron
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To: markomalley
Ryan says, "We just can't deport them." but then he says of the time after they get temporary legal status: If they break the terms of their probation, they can be deported.

He isn't just a liar. He's also dumb to think we can't think or remember.

The fence can be built immediately, and he gave absolutely no reason why it couldn't be built. To the question of why can't we build the fence first, the illogic of his answer is astounding: Because in order to secure the border, you have to have a workable legal immigration system that people who are trying to come to this country to work have a way of coming here legally,”

If I follow that, "we can't build the fence first because immigrants need a legal way to come to this country." Smack yourself in the head, Paul, the fence HELPS them to come here legally by PREVENTING them from coming here ILLEGALLY! Ryan's argument is that they can't come here legally if a fence is in place!! The absurdity of it is mind-boggling.

I used to think it was Romney who made Romney/Ryan fail. Apparently, Ryan is a slick-meister as well. Should have known it, those Miami Oxford grads are all beer and privilege.

29 posted on 06/29/2013 7:55:57 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: markomalley
Rachel, aka Dee Dee, makes more sense than either Ryan or Rubio.
30 posted on 06/29/2013 7:56:46 PM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: markomalley
40% of illegals are here because of overstaying visas, and the Senate bill doesn't even address the issue.

On that basis alone, the idea that the Senate bill is "comprehensive" immigration reform" is ludicrous.

Why are there so many morons in the Senate???

31 posted on 06/29/2013 8:00:50 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: txrefugee

They refuse to believe the old paradigm doesn’t apply.

Pass controversial bills in the off-years, wait for the people to forget, and then demonize the opposition during the election cycle.

Wash, rinse, repeat.


32 posted on 06/29/2013 8:02:57 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Also do some real combing out. Check out immigration papers at every traffic stop, every law enforcement encounter, every welfare/food stamp office, and every time somebody comes to a hospital seeking free care. Then deport those who can’t prove they’re legally here. That’s pretty much what happens in foreign countries to Americans. Just go to England, get involved in a traffic stop, not be able to show your passport and US driver’s license and see what happens.


33 posted on 06/29/2013 8:03:12 PM PDT by libstripper (A)
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To: markomalley

The Gang of Eight did accomplish one thing. They guaranteed there will not be a Republican president in a long long time. If ever.
I know I will not be voting for any Republican above the county level again. Hell, if they are going to act like Democrats, I may as well vote for the real thing.


34 posted on 06/29/2013 8:04:47 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Government lies, then the media lies to cover up the government lies.)
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To: markomalley

“when he said securing the border first “

‘Securing the border’ is pointless anyway.

It just means that the ones who do manage to get across the border are home free.

If you are afraid to deport them then all that they have to do is keep trying until they finally get across.

Not one of the political hacks whose duty it is to enforce the law obeys their oath of office.

Not one of them will deport the foreign nationals who have flooded into our country.

We don’t have a government of laws. We have rulers who do nothing more than what they feel like doing, the law be damned.


35 posted on 06/29/2013 8:08:11 PM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: tumblindice
"where former vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan is a leading reform Amnesty advocate"
36 posted on 06/29/2013 8:10:12 PM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: markomalley

Fool us once, shame on you.
Fool us twice, double shame on you.
Fool us thrice, now cut that out before we really do something and by the way... triple shame on you.


37 posted on 06/29/2013 8:10:16 PM PDT by RetSignman (Immigration border protection is America's version of the Maginot Line)
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To: markomalley
Comprehensive: a bill longer than War and Peace that few have read before casting a "yea" vote.
38 posted on 06/29/2013 8:12:37 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: txrefugee

Yep, forget the wacko-birds chirping, the GOP-e are hunting snipe!


39 posted on 06/29/2013 8:15:47 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: markomalley
"Hannity’s tone was respectful throughout."

The only way to reach knotheads like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio is to take off the gloves and call them the liars they are, and remind them that the foot soldiers in the Republican base are using words every bit as strong.

40 posted on 06/29/2013 8:21:18 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Unreconstructed heterosexual.)
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To: markomalley

It’s no accident that the ads that Halely Barbour’s group (a pro amnesty group) is running are featuring Rubio and Ryan...while simultaneously trying to co opt Rand Paul into their ilk. Rubio served the crony capitalists Barbour is attached to by posing as the face to quell Conservative voters until it was too late, and he hopes to pull off the same stunt with Paul Ryan. Their ads from “Americans for a Conservative Direction” (a hideous hijacking of Conservatism), implore Conservative voters to get on board with the Amnesty Rubio tried to hide until the last minute and that Ryan wholeheartedly supports.

They are trying to ram this down our throats whether we want it or not, hoping we won’t notice or won’t care. They got a whole lotta other things coming.


41 posted on 06/29/2013 8:21:22 PM PDT by antonico
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To: Pelham

Except for Sessions, Cruz and some others, you can’t tell them from dhims. I’m done with them.
Wrenched my back hauling a window AC down from the attic, and flat out of patience with the GOP-e serving the labor unions and idle rich who need their slave labor.
Let ‘em burn.


42 posted on 06/29/2013 8:22:18 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

“Except for Sessions, Cruz and some others, you can’t tell them from dhims.”

Sessions and Cruz are the only two that I have any use for.

But even those two never mention Deportation. At least I’ve never heard it if they did.


43 posted on 06/29/2013 8:25:28 PM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: Pelham

In WWII we found a way to ship out over 100k GIs per month for many months running - and that’s with a population of a bit less than half what we have now.


44 posted on 06/29/2013 8:27:34 PM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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To: Joe Bfstplk

The welfare has to dry up too.


45 posted on 06/29/2013 8:29:56 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: FirstFlaBn

.. and Dwight Eisenhower, when he was President, managed to ship over a million illegal aliens out of the country.

He called it ‘Operation Wetback’.

The name alone makes the politically correct sissies in charge of the GOP pee down their legs in fear.


46 posted on 06/29/2013 8:33:22 PM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: markomalley

They keep saying it’s 11 million that need to come out of the shadows. How do they know it’s that many. What if it’s 35 million?

This amnesty proposal is like a blank check and we have no idea what the true tab will turn out to be. Only fools and traitors could support this nonsense.


47 posted on 06/29/2013 8:34:33 PM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: markomalley
because we realize we cannot deport 11 million people and find them and deport them, so we want to put them on a probationary status, that’s the kind of thinking we have here, and they can’t get out of that probationary status, they can’t get legal permanent residence, which is what Chuck Grassley was talking there*, until...

Why the hell not?

The US government, with the overwhelming support of the legal population, managed to do a proportionate job with a minimum of fuss or whining ---- in 1954!

During the 1950s, however, this "Good Old Boy" system changed under Eisenhower - if only for about 10 years.

In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.

Influential politicians, including Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) of Texas and Sen. Pat McCarran (D) of Nevada, favored open borders, and were dead set against strong border enforcement, Brownell said. But General Swing's close connections to the president shielded him - and the Border Patrol - from meddling by powerful political and corporate interests.

One of Swing's first decisive acts was to transfer certain entrenched immigration officials out of the border area to other regions of the country where their political connections with people such as Senator Johnson would have no effect.

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day.
By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.

Now, to me, that's in the neighborhood of 1,200,000 in three months.
By my cyphering, we can get rid of the mere 6,000,000 claimed by the doofuses --- in about 12 months!

It's not rocket science. Amazingly, if you decide that something can't be done, the odds are YOU probably can't get it done.
It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Works every time!

48 posted on 06/29/2013 8:40:15 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: txrefugee

That’s the problem when you go chasing after the ‘Conservatives’ into the ‘Constitutionalists’.

Even us (L) types would be ‘enforce the laws or get rid of them’; not ‘break the law, and we’ll let you rob the Treasury blind’


49 posted on 06/29/2013 8:58:13 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: markomalley

How many realize that Presidents Hoover, Truman and Eisenhower deported between 9 and 11 million illegals each in order to make jobs for American Citizens. Have you read that anywhere in the media??? Has anyone’s son or daughter come home from school and said they read that in their history lesson?? No and none. The censorship that is going on in this country and the lemings that only care about their own skin and benefit is nausiating. We are all going to pay dearly.


50 posted on 06/29/2013 9:14:27 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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