Posted on 06/28/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
Just to preface her post, a good point by DrewM:
DrewM @DrewMTips
How many ppl saying "cut Marco slack. Don't write him off in 16" would FREAK out if he became pro-choice & helped Dems loosen abortion laws? 2:41 PM - 28 Jun 2013
We all have our red line issues, as Drew says. Offhand, I cant think of a single person I know privately or on Twitter who supports (or is indifferent to) the Gang of Eight bill and who also traditionally has treated border security as a red line. Everyone wants better border security and everybody thinks its important for immigrants to follow the rule of law, but when push comes to shove, some people are okay with bending on this in the name of other political goals and others are not. If you believe the polls about background checks and gun control, we might very well win a few extra votes by caving on that too. Want to do that? We might also win some votes by declaring our support for abortion in the first trimester. Okay to do that? We all have our red lines.
Heres Palin drawing a red line of her own for people angry about the big amnesty pander. Whole post is at the link, but this is the key bit:
Great job, GOP establishment. Youve just abandoned the Reagan Democrats with this amnesty bill, and we needed them to enlarge that tent of which you so often speak. Its depressing to consider that the House of Representatives is threatening to pass some version of this nonsensical bill in the coming weeks.
Once again, Ill point out the obvious to you: it was the loss of working class voters in swing states that cost us the 2012 election, not the Hispanic vote. Legal immigrants respect the rule of law and can see how self-centered a politician must be to fill this amnesty bill with favors, earmarks, and crony capitalists pork, and call it good. You disrespect Hispanics with your assumption that they desire ignoring the rule of law.
Folks like me are barely hanging on to our enlistment papers in any political party and its precisely because flip-flopping political actions like amnesty force us to ask how much more bull from both the elephants in the Republican Party and the jackasses in the Democrat Party we have to swallow before these political machines totally abandon the average commonsense hardworking American. Now we turn to watch the House. If they bless this new bi-partisan hyper-partisan devastating plan for amnesty, well know that both private political parties have finally turned their backs on us. It will then be time to show our parties hierarchies what we think of being members of either one of these out-of-touch, arrogant, and dysfunctional political machines.
I dont know how disrespected Hispanics feel by the immigration reform push; according to Pew, 90 percent think illegals should have a way to stay legally in the U.S. and 59 percent think they should be allowed to apply for legal status even before border improvements have been made. Her broader point, though, about the partys crushing failure to engage effectively with the working- and middle-class is spot on. Thats what I was getting at in the McCain post: This amnesty charade is simply the GOPs way of dressing a gaping economic wound that cuts across racial demographics by putting an identity-politics band-aid on it, as if legalizing more cheap labor to make things even harder on working-class Americans doesnt make the problem worse. The real reason to despair and start thinking third-party isnt the amnesty bill itself, its the fact that this is what the party feels compelled to resort to now in lieu of building a better economic agenda. If they cant figure out how to talk to people who arent entrepreneurs about pocketbook issues, then why keep donating to them and organizing for them? Theyve flunked politics 101. Were pumping a dry well here.
Good info . but do we leave the USA and let the communists/democrats have it or do we stay and fight?
Okay, keep me posted, please, if you or someone you know has a Third Party ping list going.
Regarding the people you call the fanboys, I suspect that some of them are GOP consultants and staffers who have something to lose if we dump the GOP.
I hadn't considered all of that. I knew their were some differences but I thought the southern Indios were a very small minority.
What are your thoughts on what can be done to resolve the differences?
Look at Detroit....
That is a real tangible reality that waits for you...
Didn’t you have forefathers from far away lands seeking here what no longer exists here?
You need to rethink the fight...what are you planning to fight for?
Lower taxes...isn’t going to happen...
Sensible health care?
Rights for white heterosexual males?
Privacy?
Gun and ammo rights?
More government martial law...ala Boston terror?
Preventing the government from confiscating your 401k or IRA?
State rights?
Look closely to Detroit, St. Louis, Sacremento, Chicago, Birmingham...to name a few bankrupt cities
Have you ever thought about when the EBT card program runs out, SS , disability runs out....what the “gimmie dats” are going to do?
It’s going to crash, the Feds have destroyed the dollar, less people are working, the tax base is shrinking, more people lining up for hand outs...
What are you going to fight or?
No idea. But Mexico is a country that ought to be richer than it is, but has always suffered from bad government.
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