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Palin: If the House sells out on immigration too, it might be time to leave the GOP
HotAir ^ | Friday June 28, 2013

Posted on 06/28/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Just to preface her post, a good point by DrewM:

DrewM @DrewMTips

How many ppl saying "cut Marco slack. Don't write him off in 16" would FREAK out if he became pro-choice & helped Dems loosen abortion laws? 2:41 PM - 28 Jun 2013


We all have our “red line” issues, as Drew says. Offhand, I can’t think of a single person I know privately or on Twitter who supports (or is indifferent to) the Gang of Eight bill and who also traditionally has treated border security as a “red line.” Everyone wants better border security and everybody thinks it’s important for immigrants to follow the rule of law, but when push comes to shove, some people are okay with bending on this in the name of other political goals and others are not. If you believe the polls about background checks and gun control, we might very well win a few extra votes by caving on that too. Want to do that? We might also win some votes by declaring our support for abortion in the first trimester. Okay to do that? We all have our “red lines.”

Here’s Palin drawing a “red line” of her own for people angry about the big amnesty pander. Whole post is at the link, but this is the key bit:

Great job, GOP establishment. You’ve just abandoned the Reagan Democrats with this amnesty bill, and we needed them to “enlarge that tent” of which you so often speak. It’s depressing to consider that the House of Representatives is threatening to pass some version of this nonsensical bill in the coming weeks.

Once again, I’ll point out the obvious to you: it was the loss of working class voters in swing states that cost us the 2012 election, not the Hispanic vote. Legal immigrants respect the rule of law and can see how self-centered a politician must be to fill this amnesty bill with favors, earmarks, and crony capitalists’ pork, and call it good. You disrespect Hispanics with your assumption that they desire ignoring the rule of law.

Folks like me are barely hanging on to our enlistment papers in any political party – and it’s precisely because flip-flopping political actions like amnesty force us to ask how much more bull from both the elephants in the Republican Party and the jackasses in the Democrat Party we have to swallow before these political machines totally abandon the average commonsense hardworking American. Now we turn to watch the House. If they bless this new “bi-partisan” hyper-partisan devastating plan for amnesty, we’ll know that both private political parties have finally turned their backs on us. It will then be time to show our parties’ hierarchies what we think of being members of either one of these out-of-touch, arrogant, and dysfunctional political machines.

I don’t know how disrespected Hispanics feel by the immigration reform push; according to Pew, 90 percent think illegals should have a way to stay legally in the U.S. and 59 percent think they should be allowed to apply for legal status even before border improvements have been made. Her broader point, though, about the party’s crushing failure to engage effectively with the working- and middle-class is spot on. That’s what I was getting at in the McCain post: This amnesty charade is simply the GOP’s way of dressing a gaping economic wound that cuts across racial demographics by putting an identity-politics band-aid on it, as if legalizing more cheap labor to make things even harder on working-class Americans doesn’t make the problem worse. The real reason to despair and start thinking third-party isn’t the amnesty bill itself, it’s the fact that this is what the party feels compelled to resort to now in lieu of building a better economic agenda. If they can’t figure out how to talk to people who aren’t entrepreneurs about pocketbook issues, then why keep donating to them and organizing for them? They’ve flunked politics 101. We’re pumping a dry well here.


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1 posted on 06/28/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

If the House sells out on Immigration, too, it is all over, even more all over than it is if Obamacare is implemented. With the new voting rights of 10 to 20, 30,50, 100 million- however many latinos and Moslems want to come here, Repunblicans will never win another national or, in most states, state election. Single Party totalitarian Democrat rule will be a fait accompli and nonreversible. No other new party will fare any better.


2 posted on 06/28/2013 2:38:03 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Bigtigermike

Night be?

And what’s this us leaving? They’ve left us. They’ve gone full nutterbutter democrat.

If these guys are what’s passing for the party that supposedly is FOR conservatives, they’re the democrats’ best friends, not ours.


3 posted on 06/28/2013 2:38:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Too late, I’m afraid.

The Party of Government (Democrat wing and Republican wing) will have completed the destruction of America before any new parties will have a chance to stop them.


4 posted on 06/28/2013 2:38:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Bigtigermike

Michelle Bachman explained it. ANY House bill no matter if it promises all the border security in the world will be a trojan horse.NO bill at all must come out of the House because it will be merged with the Senate Amnesty and trojan horse bill. Call congress.

Tell them to stop all Amnesty or immigration bills.they are all trojan horse bills. some will promise border security that will never be enforced anyway.

Bachmann explained it . The House will write a border security bill only . then in conference the senate will add the virus and then bring it back to the house. then the conservatives won’t vote for it but democrats will all vote for it so then they only need 10% of republicans to pass Amnesty and the virus that will destroy America. so any bill at all will be added the virus . so best thing is for Boner to not let any immigration bill at all come out of the House. that is the only hope . call boner and the members of the House.


5 posted on 06/28/2013 2:38:37 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Bigtigermike

I have already removed myself from the Republocratic Party, Rubio has shown me no republican can be trusted.

I will not help, donate to, or vote for a republican again, I will only vote for a conservative.

At this point I agree with Sarah, it third party time, hope she starts one, I will be the third to join.


6 posted on 06/28/2013 2:38:52 PM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: Bigtigermike

Ms. Palin...

It is time for right thinking people to see the writing on the wall and LEAVE the country....

Getting away from the GOP only keeps the former GOPer trapped as a slave to taxes and more insults to their liberties....


7 posted on 06/28/2013 2:39:26 PM PDT by Caliban (Politics is war conducted by other means...)
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To: Bigtigermike

Leave the GOP? And then do what?

There’s only one way this can end.


8 posted on 06/28/2013 2:41:20 PM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: Bigtigermike

“Might”?


9 posted on 06/28/2013 2:42:10 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Democrat_media

Tom Tancredo echos what Michelle Bachmann said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3036438/posts

call congress . no bill at all from the House


10 posted on 06/28/2013 2:42:36 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Bigtigermike

I changed my part affiliation after the Republicans raised taxes earlier this year. I had been a Republican my entire life but no more.


11 posted on 06/28/2013 2:42:37 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: stockpirate

At this point I agree with Sarah, it third party time, hope she starts one, I will be the third to join.


Same here. A truly Conservative 3rd party would take off like a wild fire.


12 posted on 06/28/2013 2:43:35 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Might be time?

Pfffttt. I left a long time ago.


13 posted on 06/28/2013 2:44:12 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: BenLurkin
The Party of Government (Democrat wing and Republican wing) will have completed the destruction of America before any new parties will have a chance to stop them.

It's never too late. A large segment of the economy will go underground, leaving limited resources for the freeloaders.

14 posted on 06/28/2013 2:45:08 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The RNC-HQ is off the reservation and begging for crumbs at the Donkey-big tent.... May the spawn of Rove and Kristol rot forever!


15 posted on 06/28/2013 2:45:48 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: Bigtigermike

The Tea Party Republicans need to replace Boehner as Speaker right now.


16 posted on 06/28/2013 2:46:01 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Bigtigermike

It’s about the 10th crisis of leadership past time to leave the GOP and form a new party.

The problem is that new party’s need to start on the local level and build from there. It’s a 20-year thing because the 2 party’s in power have written the laws specifically to stop third party’s from coming to power quickly.

It can happen, but it needs a cubic shit ton of work, structure, and money. Really, money. Plus, the first ones to stand up will be butchered by both parties and the media. Anyone with balls and all of the above, raise your hand.


17 posted on 06/28/2013 2:47:07 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: laplata

“Same here. A truly Conservative 3rd party would take off like a wild fire”

I am so fed up with the republican party and all the misleading voters.

Please Sarah start a third party, let’s finish off the republocrats.


18 posted on 06/28/2013 2:47:21 PM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: Bigtigermike

Palin is right and her talk about leaving the GOP if the House passes some kind of amnesty bill should wake a few people up. This is the Republican Vice Presidential candidate of just 5 years ago, not some anonymous blogger who is disenchanted with the Republican party because they won’t impeach Obama or some other futile act of opposition. Yes, Palin is disregarded by some conservatives to whom no one now living is a ‘real’ conservative or because of some other complaint. But for those of us who can see the looming disaster if the House Republicans commit political suicide and do massive damage to the nation by passing this ‘immigration reform’ bill or some slightly different version of it, Sarah Palin’s comments are dead-on.


19 posted on 06/28/2013 2:47:52 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Caliban; KC_Lion
Ms. Palin...

Ahem, please make that Mrs. Palin. Better yet, President Palin.

Amen, KC Lion?

20 posted on 06/28/2013 2:48:10 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that that's I like about Texas)
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To: laplata

I would SWIM over the pond to join that party and the New America.


21 posted on 06/28/2013 2:48:13 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Hardraade

Are you in the UK?


22 posted on 06/28/2013 2:50:01 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Bigtigermike
"Immigration reform" in this sense should be every republican's, let alone conservative's, red line issue.

it is an issue of life or death of the republic now.

23 posted on 06/28/2013 2:50:13 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Bigtigermike

F the Whigs!


24 posted on 06/28/2013 2:51:55 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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To: Bigtigermike
The sad part is that the immigration is based on a false premise. Most Adult Mexicans living in this country illegally don't want to be citizens. They don't want to register or pay taxes or vote. They are here to provide labor for wages. If they could find comparable jobs in Mexico they would go back. They don't particularly like or dislike Americans but they are more comfortable with their own social group. Now Mexican children that have been raised here are Americanized and would not want to go back.
25 posted on 06/28/2013 2:52:26 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: stockpirate

Exactly! They are all disgusting and need to get the message.


26 posted on 06/28/2013 2:52:45 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Bigtigermike
Best wishes and good luck with that. Better start packing for an early departure.

Maybe, with luck and a miracle or three, you might have to unpack and stay, but I'd start looking for a good moving company early to beat the rush getting the Dodge outta hell.

Sarah, you and the TEA party are/were the GOP's last hope. Oh well, you did all that could be done, but...they do NOT want to change and are happy as they are.

At some point, the strong give up and leave; the weak give up and stay and the rest just drift away.

27 posted on 06/28/2013 2:52:53 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Animal Farm meets 1984 in A Brave New World. Crony capitalism, chaos and control.)
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To: laplata

Norway.

But our pols are about as islamofascist as the british ones.


28 posted on 06/28/2013 2:53:14 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Manic_Episode

F the Whigs!


And the Turn Coats. 99.5% of them are Turn Coats.


29 posted on 06/28/2013 2:54:19 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Noamie

We all raise our hands Noamie, we have had enough of this hsit, so we take it in the shorts for 2 election cycles, build it damn it they will come. Yes I am that pissed @ the GOP.


30 posted on 06/28/2013 2:56:17 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Bigtigermike

No maybe’s about it. Time to go. And time to setup to the plate instead of saying empty threats.


31 posted on 06/28/2013 2:56:28 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Bigtigermike

I don’t think there’s an issue that Governor Palin has not found herself on the right side of. Her political compass is extraordinarily true.


32 posted on 06/28/2013 2:56:53 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: arthurus
If the House sells out on Immigration, too, it is all over, even more all over than it is if Obamacare is implemented. With the new voting rights of 10 to 20, 30,50, 100 million- however many latinos and Moslems want to come here, Repunblicans will never win another national or, in most states, state election. Single Party totalitarian Democrat rule will be a fait accompli and nonreversible. No other new party will fare any better.

I can tell you right now, that I will support 3rd Party every way I can should the House cave. The GOP has been on life support with me for some time now.

Do I think a 3rd Party stands a chance in the next election? Hell no. The next 10 elections? Nope. I think it's a safe bet that I'll never see "conservative" politics on a national level again in my lifetime (I'm 45). But maybe my grandchildren or further on down will be the ones to reclaim this nation. I don't know. But dammit, it has to start somewhere! May as well be now, with me.

33 posted on 06/28/2013 2:57:23 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: BenLurkin

May I suggest Party in Government. PIG


34 posted on 06/28/2013 2:57:37 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: Bigtigermike

time to stop the House is now non-violent but forceful demonstrations in DC and home offices. it might be the last chance for our nation before the cartridge box.


35 posted on 06/28/2013 2:58:39 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Hardraade

Come over. We need good people.


36 posted on 06/28/2013 2:58:39 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Mozilla

I meant Step Up.


37 posted on 06/28/2013 2:59:53 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: BenLurkin
The Party of Government (Democrat wing and Republican wing) will have completed the destruction of America before any new parties will have a chance to stop them.

Once the "Criminal Illegals are Better and more Fertile than Americans bill passes, it's over.

The only possible way to turn the tide is for the States to act when a cataclysmic event occurs (likely financial)

When such an event happens, the States will have one peaceful short term window of opportunity to drastically removed from the Federal leviathan, all unconstitutional functions.

38 posted on 06/28/2013 3:00:23 PM PDT by sand88
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To: Democrat_media
Congress needs to do what Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) says to do with this bill...Blue Slip the Immigration bill. It's Unconstitutional.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3036809/posts

39 posted on 06/28/2013 3:02:15 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: laplata
Same here. A truly Conservative 3rd party would take off like a wild fire.

Correct. It will make the Tea Party of 2010 look tame.

There is an incredible amount of righteous anger building -- it is aimed at the GOPe and the evil left.

A new Second party can channel that anger into a new awakening of Liberty.

40 posted on 06/28/2013 3:02:25 PM PDT by sand88
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To: arthurus

Sounds like a good time to start a Civil War then.

and for the NSA, CIA, IRS folks listening in F—k You.


41 posted on 06/28/2013 3:03:16 PM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: re_nortex

she has no chance and even if she had it, she too will see the evil dirty secrets that the previous administrations had learned and will have no choice but continue with the same...

USA is bankrupt, propped up on nothing but the work of illegals who have funds confiscated via SS illegal numbers...and paying taxes on every bill they receive...from cable, cell phone, cigarettes, beer, electricity, gasoline...etc etc

USA is toast...get out while you can


42 posted on 06/28/2013 3:04:47 PM PDT by Caliban (Politics is war conducted by other means...)
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To: workerbee

No. I suspect there is no turning back short of massive armed insurrection and the likelihood if that occurs is a tyranny populated by a different group of tyrants.


43 posted on 06/28/2013 3:05:25 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Hardraade
But our pols are about as islamofascist as the british ones.

WOW! The left the world over is self-loathing and hateful of all things Western.

The left is truly evil.

44 posted on 06/28/2013 3:06:56 PM PDT by sand88
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To: Bigtigermike
It’s depressing to consider that the House of Representatives is threatening to pass some version of this nonsensical bill in the coming weeks.

Legal immigrants respect the rule of law and can see how self-centered a politician must be to fill this amnesty bill with favors, earmarks, and crony capitalists’ pork, and call it good.
You disrespect Hispanics with your assumption that they desire ignoring the rule of law.


Folks like me are barely hanging on to our enlistment papers in any political party – and it’s precisely because flip-flopping political actions like amnesty force us to ask how much more bull from both the elephants in the Republican Party and the jackasses in the Democrat Party we have to swallow

There she goes again...
Swinging the truth around like a hammer.

Certainly hope the House is paying attention.
I am.
45 posted on 06/28/2013 3:07:17 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Mozilla
time to go

The problem is that any new party will have to fend off elite/globalist/venture capital types who only care about less taxes for rich people. Keep in mind, the Tea Party was started by people who wanted to secure the border; now supposed "tea party" legislators vote for the invasion, because what they really care about is cheap labor and top-heavy corporate profits.

A new party can't just be conservative. It has to be about returning to constitutional government, less federal government, more functions being eliminated and/or made more local. It has to make a big deal about ending recreational wars, an end to droning, an end to spying on US citizens. I think Rand Paul is the one who can bring it together, and bring some dems and pubs with him....and tell others that they're just too tarnished to be part of it.

46 posted on 06/28/2013 3:07:29 PM PDT by grania
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To: sand88

Correct. It will make the Tea Party of 2010 look tame.

There is an incredible amount of righteous anger building — it is aimed at the GOPe and the evil left.

A new Second party can channel that anger into a new awakening of Liberty.


Exactly! There is a lot of pent up anger out there. Most of us aren’t going to sit idly by and watch the evil bastards ruin our beloved country.

It’s in the air!

And for Jeb Bush to give Hitlery Clinton an award is beyond disgusting. Bastards, all. They can all go to hell.


47 posted on 06/28/2013 3:08:27 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Bigtigermike

100% agree.

I always say we have to vote for the republican.

Told the wife for the first time over this illegals thing, they have given up on America, I’m done with them.


48 posted on 06/28/2013 3:09:30 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: arthurus

I agree

Michelle Bachman explained it. ANY House bill no matter if it promises all the border security in the world will be a trojan horse.NO bill at all must come out of the House because it will be merged with the Senate Amnesty and trojan horse bill. Call congress.

Tell them to stop all Amnesty or immigration bills.they are all trojan horse bills. some will promise border security that will never be enforced anyway.

Bachmann explained it . The House will write a border security bill only . then in conference the senate will add the virus and then bring it back to the house. then the conservatives won’t vote for it but democrats will all vote for it so then they only need 10% of republicans to pass Amnesty and the virus that will destroy America. so any bill at all will be added the virus . so best thing is for Boner to not let any immigration bill at all come out of the House. that is the only hope . call boner and the members of the House.


49 posted on 06/28/2013 3:09:42 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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bump!


50 posted on 06/28/2013 3:10:52 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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