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SCOTUS: same-sex marriage decisions - Live Thread (Decisions at 97, 194, & 217)
Free Republic | 06/26/2013 | BuckeyeTexan

Posted on 06/25/2013 9:54:04 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan

At 10:00 AM Wednesday, the Supreme Court will deliver its final decisions of this term. We can expect decisions on both same-sex marriage cases.

California Proposition 8: Hollingsworth v. Perry

In November 2008, 52.3 percent of California voters approved Proposition 8, which added language to the California Constitution that defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman. In May 2009, a California District Court ruled that Proposition 8 violated the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment and temporarily prohibited its enforcement, and the Ninth Circuit agreed, affirming the District Court’s ruling. The United States Supreme Court will now consider whether a state can define marriage solely as the union of a man and a woman, in addition to considering whether the proponents of Proposition 8 have standing to bring suit in federal court. The Court’s ruling will implicate the rights of gay men and lesbians, the role of the government in structuring family and society, and the relationship between the institution of marriage and religion and morality.

Defense of Marriage Act: United States v. Windsor

Edith Windsor and Thea Spyer married in Toronto in 2007 where same-sex marriages were legal. At the time of Spyer’s death, the state of New York recognized the couple’s marriage. However, the IRS denied Windsor use of a spousal estate tax exception on the ground that, under the Defense of Marriage Act (“DOMA”), the federal government did not recognize same-sex marriages for the purpose of federal benefits. The Supreme Court is now being asked to decide DOMA’s Constitutionality. The Obama Administration is not defending DOMA, so a Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group (“BLAG”) from the House of Representatives is doing so, arguing that DOMA is rationally related to the legitimate government objective of providing a uniform definition of marriage for federal benefits purposes. The Obama administration counters that the use of sexual orientation to decide who gets benefits is a suspect classification that deserves higher scrutiny. Under that level of higher scrutiny, the Obama administration argues that DOMA is impermissible. This case can affect what role the federal government can play in defining marriage and who in the federal government can defend the government’s laws. Not only could this case provide large tax savings to Ms. Windsor herself, but it can also make federal benefits available to other same-sex couples who are legally married under the laws of their state.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doma; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; notbreakingnews; obamanation; prop8; ruling; samesexmarriage; scotus; ursulathevk; vanity; zot
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To: alancarp

Indeed. An important take-away from today’s decision on Prop 8 - Elections Have Consequences!


261 posted on 06/26/2013 7:56:16 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Floratina

Seems to me that if the people of a state vote for an issue, the state has an obligation to defend that decision,, and it ought to be added to each states laws


262 posted on 06/26/2013 7:56:46 AM PDT by mware
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To: ansel12

Alright, let me ask you this: is there any area of life that the government should not control?


263 posted on 06/26/2013 7:56:48 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“That’s exactly right. God created the first man and woman for each other and united them as one flesh. Man....and woman. “

That was before some guy built a huge wooden boat with two of every insect, microbe, bird, lizard and mammal on it right?

LOL, I have to say, it is fun watching people who sit here and scream about how government is too much in their lives with things like Obamacare and taxes scream about how that very same government should be involved in something so personal as relationships.

Talk about hypocrisy. This is why the party is losing and will continue to lose. No consistent message.


264 posted on 06/26/2013 7:56:52 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: NonValueAdded; BuckeyeTexan
Thank you for your clarification.

I see now what I must do in the next election. After I fill out my ballot instead of returning it to the polling place I must send it to the 9th Circuit federal court so they can correct any of my votes they deem are "wrong" before my votes are counted.

265 posted on 06/26/2013 7:57:14 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Outraged At FLA

“I see nothing in the Constitution that defines marriage.”

IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


266 posted on 06/26/2013 7:57:20 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: glennaro

Apparently so.


267 posted on 06/26/2013 7:57:23 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: novemberslady
It's up to the people of the state to deal with it. Going to the federal government is like asking a Doberman Pinscher to baby sit for you while you go shopping. If the people of the state don't or won't fix it by throwing the bums out, then we can move to another state, which we're in the process of doing (moving out of CA, like a lot of people).

Convenient? No. Hassle? Yes. Better than getting the Lunk Headed Federal Government involved? ABSOLUTELY.

268 posted on 06/26/2013 7:57:44 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: OafOfOffice

“I don’t often post here so I had no idea you were the new troll.”

I guess some of us have been here just a tad longer than 2009..


269 posted on 06/26/2013 7:57:48 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: Outraged At FLA; dbehsman
Your post to dbehsman "You are the coward that is too afraid to let consenting adults live their lives the way they want to and not they way your little book written by sheep herders says to."

Amazing stuff, how in the world did you end up at freerepublic with such leftist views?

270 posted on 06/26/2013 7:57:54 AM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: Outraged At FLA
"That was before some guy built a huge wooden boat with two of every insect, microbe, bird, lizard and mammal on it right?"

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It's the root of your problem.

271 posted on 06/26/2013 7:58:11 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Syncro

Yep. Apparently, we, the voters, did not have standing?

Is that right?


272 posted on 06/26/2013 7:58:35 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: NonValueAdded
I actually have conservative gay friends. Most are against gay marriage. They want federal benefits and property transfer if the other dies. Another funny by go proud. Lisa De Pasquale ‏@LisaDeP 13h Pat Coffey at GOProud comedy night: Things are going well for us. We have a lesbian senator... Lindsay Graham.
273 posted on 06/26/2013 7:58:46 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: Outraged At FLA
some sky pixie

Oh, that is rich. Keep your deities to yourself please.

No. I have a God-given, unalienable right to invoke Almighty God whenever I please, thanks.

You are trying to EXERCISE your religion on everyone else, which is explicitly forbidden in the Constitution.

Legislating according to the laws of nature is not forcing religion on anyone. It's simply acting according to reality.

If anyone is a "sky pixie" it's you. You're living in an imaginary world.

274 posted on 06/26/2013 7:58:47 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Yosemitest

Well worth a re-post....our country has lost all it’s sense of goodness, justice and morality...it’s not America any longer...it’s “something else”...and more than fallen.

“Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect
that God is just,......that his justice cannot sleep forever.”


275 posted on 06/26/2013 7:59:32 AM PDT by caww
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To: ansel12

I have news for you, there are many people on the right who do not believe in your God.


276 posted on 06/26/2013 7:59:36 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: Outraged At FLA

That hurts so much. How can you be so mean?


277 posted on 06/26/2013 7:59:52 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Legislating according to the laws of nature is not forcing religion on anyone. It’s simply acting according to reality. “

Where are these laws, I would like to read them so I understand. Oh, that’s right, you make them up as you go along.


278 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:18 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: onyx

The State of California refused to defend it, therefore the plaintiffs had no standing.


279 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:18 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Outraged At FLA

Satan, is that you?


280 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:40 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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