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2 Mich. McDonald's drop halal food after suit
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | 6/24/13 | Jeff Karoub

Posted on 06/24/2013 10:09:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

DETROIT (AP) -- The only two McDonald's restaurants in the United States that were serving food prepared according to Islamic law have stopped several weeks after a $700,000 settlement over a lawsuit that alleged the items weren't consistently halal.

The fast-food giant said in a statement Monday that the locations in the Detroit suburb of Dearborn, which has a large Muslim population, are no longer offering a halal McChicken sandwich or Chicken McNuggets in order "to focus on our national core menu."

The corporation added it takes into account "local and dietary preferences," and supports its franchisees in Dearborn. Neither the statement nor a spokeswoman said whether McDonald's decision was related to the lawsuit.

The lawsuit, brought by customer Ahmed Ahmed in 2011, technically covered anyone who bought the halal-advertised products between September 2005 and January from the restaurant on Ford Road and another one in Dearborn with a different owner. The second location wasn't a defendant or a focus of the investigation.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: dearborn; islam; michigan; qitalislam; sharia; shariah; youdeserveabreak
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Unintended consequences are a real b*tch, eh Ahmed?
1 posted on 06/24/2013 10:09:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’ve never understood this business about some types of food being religiously off limits.

If one of these religions was against eating liver I might understand.


2 posted on 06/24/2013 10:14:53 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Trying to placate muslim morons is futile. islamo goons would despise you if you cut your own head off for them.


3 posted on 06/24/2013 10:17:08 PM PDT by soycd
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To: Slings and Arrows

Oh beans!


4 posted on 06/24/2013 10:20:12 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Slings and Arrows

As a concession, the two McDonald’s units should offer ham and cheese sandwiches.


5 posted on 06/24/2013 10:21:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Judaism, as the root for all 3 Monotheistic faiths forbids Jews to eat certain kinds of living creatures (like snails) and not to mix milk and meat at the same meal.

Islam built on that and added their own spins, like Halal food.

The Bible (”Tanach”) states that G-d forbids these foods as they are considered “unfit”, “unclean” or, in other words, not “Kosher” which means “fit” (to consume). It's all about G-d commandments.

Islam calls their dietary laws “Halal”.

Whatever the Jews did, the Muslims pushed it to the extreme.
For example, Jews are commanded to pray 3 times a day, the Muslims upped the ante to 5 times a day. Jews fast for one day on Yom Kippur. The Muslims fast for a friggin’ month during Ramadan. It's like taking extreme behavior and making it more severe.

Food is considered a way of the human restraining his/her animal instincts to devour what is on the plate immediately. Religions pull the reigns in and say whoaa, say a little prayer thanking G-d before you pop that bit of food into your gullet...

6 posted on 06/24/2013 10:24:41 PM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Slings and Arrows

The $700k settlement, undoubtedly, has been channeled directly to al-quaeda... with a side of fries.


7 posted on 06/24/2013 10:25:19 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Slings and Arrows
In SE Asia[Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei] pretty much everything is halal. Makes since for the business.

[Some]Muslims will eat 'kosher' as a alternative if there isn't any halal food around.

8 posted on 06/24/2013 10:30:02 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Netz

“Whatever the Jews did, the Muslims pushed it to the extreme.”

Except that Muslims (and Orthodox Jews) don’t follow the one Jewish example that makes all these other issues moot. Ironic, isn’t?

The Law of Moses was taken to extremes by those who “interpreted” it for the people: the Chief Priests, Scribes, Lawyers, and Pharisees, who were more about power and control than religion or truth. Jesus Christ, in part, came to show people the true intent of the Law. The fact that there are still people to this day who choose the example of the Pharisee over that of Christ simply illustrates the level of control some people want over others.


9 posted on 06/24/2013 10:31:53 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

McDonald’s first mistake was thinking they could make a few bucks by catering to un-American filth just looking for complaint/settlement deal. Their second was settling out of court. They figured it was cheaper in the short term, but opened the door to future harassment. Their lawyers should have given this creep a koran enema in a clown suit, and sent the message that their corporate reputation won’t be messed with.


10 posted on 06/24/2013 10:38:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Slings and Arrows
I know how to prepare halal....simple!

Hooooocccchhh....patooie!

11 posted on 06/24/2013 10:40:04 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Any fool that allows superstitious nonsense to dictate what he can and can not eat, deserves to starve to death.
12 posted on 06/24/2013 10:40:55 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Slings and Arrows
A group of lactose sensitive vampires in Detroit calling themselves The No Cud in the Blood Coalition demanded McDonalds stop serving milk products as attacks on customers was causing the vampires severe allergic reactions.
No word on the outcome of the vampires lawsuit.
13 posted on 06/24/2013 11:07:07 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Stingray
Your analysis is pretty accurate. Christ's followers (all Jews) created Christianity and set out to do the exact same thing - power of interpretation, power of control and built the edifice of the Church.
There are Jews, Christians and Muslims who try to follow G-d’s way in humble, modest and simple way without deriding others but these simple folk get lost in the firebrand extremism though I would point out several major differences:
1) Judaism does not proselytize, does not actively seek out new followers and makes it difficult to convert to being a Jew, it is not recruiting and never has.
2) Christianity does proselytize, does seek out followers, does actively recruit.
3) Islam does proselytize and forcibly convert (by the sword) Infidels. It tries to spread Islam by the application of force.

These are big differences. If we could all live according to the original, basic premises, the world MIGHT be a little quieter.

14 posted on 06/24/2013 11:29:14 PM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Netz

But at the time, weren’t there good reasons for some dietary restrictions? I.e., pork products carrying trichinosis?


15 posted on 06/24/2013 11:32:43 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Figs are apparently not to be eaten by Christians. Good excuse to pass on the Fig Newtons.

At least the Jewish one about pigs and shrimp kinda makes sense that they’re scavengers that eat human remains. Pigs were used to clean battlefields of dead bodies.

Those wacky ancient Egyptian were against eating catfish (the African variety that delivers an electrical shock) because they supposedly ate their sun god’s wiener.


16 posted on 06/24/2013 11:32:49 PM PDT by Southern Magnolia
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To: Southern Magnolia

Pretty nasty of those catfish to eat the guy’s wiener. Did they at least leave him the bun? :=)


17 posted on 06/24/2013 11:51:08 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Netz

By my way of thinking somebody misinterpreted advice as a dictate. I’m certainly no religious scholar but I find it quite funny that people get so worked up over what they eat for reasons other than what they don’t think tastes good or does not agree with them.

I’m happy to let anyone impose upon themselves whatever restrictions on diet they like, but getting back to the subject of this thread who told these people anything at McDonalds was good for them.

Further, if it is so important to them, why did they let down their god by only taking McDonald’s word over an issue they considered so important?


18 posted on 06/25/2013 12:00:54 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: BigCinBigD

You said it exactly correct and with far fewer words than I did.


19 posted on 06/25/2013 12:02:52 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: informavoracious
G-d did not command the Hebrews to avoid Pork because of Trichinosis, (maybe he knew ahead of time, the all-knowing One?). He commanded them apparently because spiritually, these things were “unclean”. He did not want His people eating unclean things and eating what the other nations ate. Another way of keeping the Hebrew separate from other nations.

Today, we justify a lot of Laws and Commandments from the Bible based on the fact that we know now that it is healthy and or unhealthy. Modern refrigeration and hygienics make it all seem so appropriate for our day and age but when these Laws were given they were given for spiritual purposes, not because they're “green”, Biodegradable” or antioxidants.

There may be some truth today that mixing milk with meat is not healthy and may even cause cancer, who knows? The Hebrews were not into bio-fitness, organic, free-range poultry, vitamin-enriched foods - they ate or they were supposed to eat what G-d told them to eat. Even Manna from heaven was supposed to supply them with all the nourishment they needed and if they hoarded or stored it (which they were told NOT to do) was inedible the next day.

These Laws are Commandments for Jews not for everyone. The fact that people seem to trust Kosher hot dogs or other foods as maybe being more pure and clean is a benefit to those that consume it but due to the fact that it needs to be supervised by Rabbis, it can be costly.

20 posted on 06/25/2013 12:24:31 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Netz
Judaism, as the root for all 3 Monotheistic faiths...

Misconception. Allah is not the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Allah is the Arabian moon god.

21 posted on 06/25/2013 12:29:13 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Advice can be subverted to dictate, yes.

Any food establishment should not change its menu in a big way just to serve a specific population - on the other hand, business is business.

I do not think a Jew would take MacDonald's word that the food is Kosher. Muslims might, not sure.

An observant Jew has to see proof (a diploma) on the premises that the place is under “supervision” by an external “Mashgiach” or overseer. Then again, there are various levels of Kosher strictness.

A person should seek out what is good/healthy for them but certainly not dictate to others what they need to do.

“Getting worked up” as you call it is right on the money but so many faiths take things to the extreme.

22 posted on 06/25/2013 12:33:49 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Southern Magnolia

Jews can’t eat Catfish as well because it is a searborne animal that does not have scales. It must have scales in order to be Kosher...


23 posted on 06/25/2013 12:35:23 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: D Rider
Islam is an offshoot of Judaism. The fact that they bastardized it to the point beyond recognition is their problem...and ours! BTW, the moon figures prominently in Judaism as well I think.
24 posted on 06/25/2013 12:37:46 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: informavoracious

There is some very interesting research regarding pork.

Seems pork is so similar to human flesh that most preparations will trigger a mild human immune response.

But how did the old geezers know?

Lots of question marks like that in the ot.


25 posted on 06/25/2013 1:11:02 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Netz
The moon does not figure prominently in Judaism. Allah predates Mohamed. What Mohamed did was make the pagan Arabian religion monotheistic. Allah, is Mohammed's tribes name for the moon god, and the Kaaba was built to the moon god long before Islam, which is why the crescent moon is so prominent in Islam.
26 posted on 06/25/2013 1:13:51 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider
I hear what your saying and agree with regards to the Islam-Moon connection, as well as the sabre or AK-47, take your pick.

I thought Judaism and the Lunar calendar were related because a 24 hour day in Judaism is not midnight to midnight. The day ends with the sundown, so it is a sundown to sundown system. There is also a marked ocassion of a new month or as it is called Rosh Hodesh - the moon is tied to that, no?

27 posted on 06/25/2013 1:26:20 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Netz

Hebrew National kosher hot dogs - We answer to a higher authority.


28 posted on 06/25/2013 1:29:27 AM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
(Pork with passes for pork @ McDees :) McRibs Sammies
for everyone...along with some cheap Mad Dog.

29 posted on 06/25/2013 1:39:55 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :k)
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To: Southern Magnolia
Figs are apparently not to be eaten by Christians. Good excuse to pass on the Fig Newtons.

First I ever heard of that one.

30 posted on 06/25/2013 1:45:40 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Slings and Arrows

You want to impress me? Open a pull pork restaurant in the middle of dearborn


31 posted on 06/25/2013 1:46:15 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: Netz
Pork harbors parasites, or can, including tapeworm. Shellfish (especially in a heavily populated area with questionable sewage treatment) will pick up fecal colliform and other bacteria, as well as concentrate any heavy metals from industry.

In Old Testament times, either could have been a health hazard.

Swine also can present problems with handling and herding, and will eat human flesh, as well as act as a reservoir for viruses, most notably the flu.

There are many reasons the dietary laws made sense.

But, then, there's Bacon...

32 posted on 06/25/2013 1:51:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Netz; D Rider

Judaism uses a lunar calendar, true, but just to be clear, Jews worship no entity but G-d.


33 posted on 06/25/2013 1:58:05 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein)
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To: informavoracious

I think Brooklyn’s Nathan Hot Dogs outdo anybody elses...


34 posted on 06/25/2013 2:11:47 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Bacon...yes, the true test of Judaic faith. There are so many bacon workarounds nowadays like Turkey Bacon that it seems silly. So you manufacture a food substance that looks, feels and tastes what is forbidden. That's like a Vegetarian eating synthetic soy protein in the shape and smell of a burger.
I could never figure out why there are so many Chinese restaurants in Jewish neighborhoods or for that matter, why Deli joints serve the Reuben sandwhich, (corned beef, sour kraut, melted Swiss cheese on a grilled toast. That is about as non-Kosher as you can get but DAMN, they taste so good! My mouth is watering just writing this...
35 posted on 06/25/2013 2:17:13 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: ronnie raygun

Dearborn should be nuked...


36 posted on 06/25/2013 2:18:15 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Netz
...or for that matter, why Deli joints serve the Reuben sandwhich, (corned beef, sour kraut, melted Swiss cheese on a grilled toast. That is about as non-Kosher as you can get but DAMN, they taste so good! My mouth is watering just writing this...

Reading that provokes a similar reaction!

37 posted on 06/25/2013 2:55:04 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Theoria
Sense when? ;-)
38 posted on 06/25/2013 3:03:27 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: Netz

“1) Judaism does not proselytize, does not actively seek out new followers and makes it difficult to convert to being a Jew, it is not recruiting and never has.
2) Christianity does proselytize, does seek out followers, does actively recruit.”

Judaism was originally tasked with “producing fruit” for God’s Kingdom, i.e. bringing people into it (proselytizing), but again, the religious leaders misread God’s intent. Christ talked about their failure in the parable of the vineyard which, itself, is based on Isaiah’s song of the vineyard in Isaiah 5 (1-7).

God’s Kingdom was never meant just for the Jew, as the promise of being a great nation was made to Abraham, a Gentile, who himself preceded the Law of Moses by at least 700 years. But the promise of that kingdom was (and is) based on faith, not keeping any law. Faith pleases God, legalism (of any stripe) does not.


39 posted on 06/25/2013 3:10:50 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I grew up on those Reubens at the “Esquire Deli” in Southfield, Michigan. They were the masters and top that off with well-done french fries and a Faygo Red pop (soda)...NIRVANA


40 posted on 06/25/2013 3:12:02 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Netz

Maybe they could get really extreme and all commit suicide


41 posted on 06/25/2013 3:14:17 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: BigCinBigD; gunsequalfreedom

So religious people are fools?


42 posted on 06/25/2013 3:21:09 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Stingray

And yes, there are laws (ordinances) in the OT that pertain to those Gentiles wishing to convert to Judaism.

In fact, one of the errors/heresies Paul fought against was that Gentile converts to Christ were first being made to convert to Judaism and conform to Jewish laws and customs. His letter to the Galatians lays out his principle arguments against these “Judaizers”, yet he was not the only one dealing with the issue.


43 posted on 06/25/2013 3:21:28 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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Judaism had its reformation. Christianity had its Reformation. Islam has not. Therein lies the biggest difference.


44 posted on 06/25/2013 3:28:02 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
If you can't beat em, screw em.

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Michigan legislative action thread
45 posted on 06/25/2013 3:28:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Stingray

I agree. They’re living in a century incompatible with the constitution.


46 posted on 06/25/2013 3:30:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Stingray
Abraham “seeded” the future Jewish people. Any arguments here?
The fact that he was not a Jew is as relevant as Christ being a Jew but Paul founding a new faith, no?

Things do not have to start with A but they can evolve into a B, no? That particular B is recognized by all to be Jews.

So are you saying G-d’s promise is for all Mankind?

47 posted on 06/25/2013 3:35:29 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Stingray

There are Reformers within Islam but due to the fact that they usually blow up before attaining office, their lobbying power is quite weak...


48 posted on 06/25/2013 3:37:30 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: cripplecreek; Perdogg; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Slings and Arrows.


49 posted on 06/25/2013 3:38:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Netz

“Abraham “seeded” the future Jewish people. Any arguments here?”

And He took him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:5-6

For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, (as it is written, “A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist. Romans 4:13-17

All who share in the faith of Abraham through Christ share in the promise God gave him.

“The fact that he was not a Jew is as relevant as Christ being a Jew but Paul founding a new faith, no?”

Paul was a Jew (a Pharisee who persecuted believers in Christ before his conversion.) And Paul didn’t found Christianity: Jesus Christ did. Paul and the other apostles were simply messengers of the good news.

“Things do not have to start with A but they can evolve into a B, no? That particular B is recognized by all to be Jews.”

First, your question assumes God’s plan was “evolving.” His plan of redemption for all of mankind was in motion the day He created mankind. Our understanding of His plan may evolve, but His plan has never evolved.

For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 1 Peter 1:20-21

But, as noted in the citation from Paul I posted, those early Jews who believed in Christ believed the promise of redemption through faith in Christ was available to all.

“So are you saying G-d’s promise is for all Mankind?”

Yep.


50 posted on 06/25/2013 4:01:21 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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