Skip to comments.2 Mich. McDonald's drop halal food after suit
Posted on 06/24/2013 10:09:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
DETROIT (AP) -- The only two McDonald's restaurants in the United States that were serving food prepared according to Islamic law have stopped several weeks after a $700,000 settlement over a lawsuit that alleged the items weren't consistently halal.
The fast-food giant said in a statement Monday that the locations in the Detroit suburb of Dearborn, which has a large Muslim population, are no longer offering a halal McChicken sandwich or Chicken McNuggets in order "to focus on our national core menu."
The corporation added it takes into account "local and dietary preferences," and supports its franchisees in Dearborn. Neither the statement nor a spokeswoman said whether McDonald's decision was related to the lawsuit.
The lawsuit, brought by customer Ahmed Ahmed in 2011, technically covered anyone who bought the halal-advertised products between September 2005 and January from the restaurant on Ford Road and another one in Dearborn with a different owner. The second location wasn't a defendant or a focus of the investigation.
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I’ve never understood this business about some types of food being religiously off limits.
If one of these religions was against eating liver I might understand.
Trying to placate muslim morons is futile. islamo goons would despise you if you cut your own head off for them.
As a concession, the two McDonald’s units should offer ham and cheese sandwiches.
Islam built on that and added their own spins, like Halal food.
The Bible (”Tanach”) states that G-d forbids these foods as they are considered “unfit”, “unclean” or, in other words, not “Kosher” which means “fit” (to consume). It's all about G-d commandments.
Islam calls their dietary laws “Halal”.
Whatever the Jews did, the Muslims pushed it to the extreme.
For example, Jews are commanded to pray 3 times a day, the Muslims upped the ante to 5 times a day. Jews fast for one day on Yom Kippur. The Muslims fast for a friggin’ month during Ramadan. It's like taking extreme behavior and making it more severe.
Food is considered a way of the human restraining his/her animal instincts to devour what is on the plate immediately. Religions pull the reigns in and say whoaa, say a little prayer thanking G-d before you pop that bit of food into your gullet...
The $700k settlement, undoubtedly, has been channeled directly to al-quaeda... with a side of fries.
[Some]Muslims will eat 'kosher' as a alternative if there isn't any halal food around.
“Whatever the Jews did, the Muslims pushed it to the extreme.”
Except that Muslims (and Orthodox Jews) don’t follow the one Jewish example that makes all these other issues moot. Ironic, isn’t?
The Law of Moses was taken to extremes by those who “interpreted” it for the people: the Chief Priests, Scribes, Lawyers, and Pharisees, who were more about power and control than religion or truth. Jesus Christ, in part, came to show people the true intent of the Law. The fact that there are still people to this day who choose the example of the Pharisee over that of Christ simply illustrates the level of control some people want over others.
McDonald’s first mistake was thinking they could make a few bucks by catering to un-American filth just looking for complaint/settlement deal. Their second was settling out of court. They figured it was cheaper in the short term, but opened the door to future harassment. Their lawyers should have given this creep a koran enema in a clown suit, and sent the message that their corporate reputation won’t be messed with.
These are big differences. If we could all live according to the original, basic premises, the world MIGHT be a little quieter.
But at the time, weren’t there good reasons for some dietary restrictions? I.e., pork products carrying trichinosis?
Figs are apparently not to be eaten by Christians. Good excuse to pass on the Fig Newtons.
At least the Jewish one about pigs and shrimp kinda makes sense that they’re scavengers that eat human remains. Pigs were used to clean battlefields of dead bodies.
Those wacky ancient Egyptian were against eating catfish (the African variety that delivers an electrical shock) because they supposedly ate their sun god’s wiener.
Pretty nasty of those catfish to eat the guy’s wiener. Did they at least leave him the bun? :=)
By my way of thinking somebody misinterpreted advice as a dictate. I’m certainly no religious scholar but I find it quite funny that people get so worked up over what they eat for reasons other than what they don’t think tastes good or does not agree with them.
I’m happy to let anyone impose upon themselves whatever restrictions on diet they like, but getting back to the subject of this thread who told these people anything at McDonalds was good for them.
Further, if it is so important to them, why did they let down their god by only taking McDonald’s word over an issue they considered so important?
You said it exactly correct and with far fewer words than I did.
Today, we justify a lot of Laws and Commandments from the Bible based on the fact that we know now that it is healthy and or unhealthy. Modern refrigeration and hygienics make it all seem so appropriate for our day and age but when these Laws were given they were given for spiritual purposes, not because they're “green”, Biodegradable” or antioxidants.
There may be some truth today that mixing milk with meat is not healthy and may even cause cancer, who knows? The Hebrews were not into bio-fitness, organic, free-range poultry, vitamin-enriched foods - they ate or they were supposed to eat what G-d told them to eat. Even Manna from heaven was supposed to supply them with all the nourishment they needed and if they hoarded or stored it (which they were told NOT to do) was inedible the next day.
These Laws are Commandments for Jews not for everyone. The fact that people seem to trust Kosher hot dogs or other foods as maybe being more pure and clean is a benefit to those that consume it but due to the fact that it needs to be supervised by Rabbis, it can be costly.
Misconception. Allah is not the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Allah is the Arabian moon god.
Any food establishment should not change its menu in a big way just to serve a specific population - on the other hand, business is business.
I do not think a Jew would take MacDonald's word that the food is Kosher. Muslims might, not sure.
An observant Jew has to see proof (a diploma) on the premises that the place is under “supervision” by an external “Mashgiach” or overseer. Then again, there are various levels of Kosher strictness.
A person should seek out what is good/healthy for them but certainly not dictate to others what they need to do.
“Getting worked up” as you call it is right on the money but so many faiths take things to the extreme.
Jews can’t eat Catfish as well because it is a searborne animal that does not have scales. It must have scales in order to be Kosher...
There is some very interesting research regarding pork.
Seems pork is so similar to human flesh that most preparations will trigger a mild human immune response.
But how did the old geezers know?
Lots of question marks like that in the ot.
I thought Judaism and the Lunar calendar were related because a 24 hour day in Judaism is not midnight to midnight. The day ends with the sundown, so it is a sundown to sundown system. There is also a marked ocassion of a new month or as it is called Rosh Hodesh - the moon is tied to that, no?
Hebrew National kosher hot dogs - We answer to a higher authority.
First I ever heard of that one.
You want to impress me? Open a pull pork restaurant in the middle of dearborn
In Old Testament times, either could have been a health hazard.
Swine also can present problems with handling and herding, and will eat human flesh, as well as act as a reservoir for viruses, most notably the flu.
There are many reasons the dietary laws made sense.
But, then, there's Bacon...
Judaism uses a lunar calendar, true, but just to be clear, Jews worship no entity but G-d.
I think Brooklyn’s Nathan Hot Dogs outdo anybody elses...
Dearborn should be nuked...
Reading that provokes a similar reaction!
“1) Judaism does not proselytize, does not actively seek out new followers and makes it difficult to convert to being a Jew, it is not recruiting and never has.
2) Christianity does proselytize, does seek out followers, does actively recruit.”
Judaism was originally tasked with “producing fruit” for God’s Kingdom, i.e. bringing people into it (proselytizing), but again, the religious leaders misread God’s intent. Christ talked about their failure in the parable of the vineyard which, itself, is based on Isaiah’s song of the vineyard in Isaiah 5 (1-7).
God’s Kingdom was never meant just for the Jew, as the promise of being a great nation was made to Abraham, a Gentile, who himself preceded the Law of Moses by at least 700 years. But the promise of that kingdom was (and is) based on faith, not keeping any law. Faith pleases God, legalism (of any stripe) does not.
I grew up on those Reubens at the “Esquire Deli” in Southfield, Michigan. They were the masters and top that off with well-done french fries and a Faygo Red pop (soda)...NIRVANA
Maybe they could get really extreme and all commit suicide
So religious people are fools?
And yes, there are laws (ordinances) in the OT that pertain to those Gentiles wishing to convert to Judaism.
In fact, one of the errors/heresies Paul fought against was that Gentile converts to Christ were first being made to convert to Judaism and conform to Jewish laws and customs. His letter to the Galatians lays out his principle arguments against these “Judaizers”, yet he was not the only one dealing with the issue.
Judaism had its reformation. Christianity had its Reformation. Islam has not. Therein lies the biggest difference.
I agree. They’re living in a century incompatible with the constitution.
Things do not have to start with A but they can evolve into a B, no? That particular B is recognized by all to be Jews.
So are you saying G-d’s promise is for all Mankind?
There are Reformers within Islam but due to the fact that they usually blow up before attaining office, their lobbying power is quite weak...
Thanks Slings and Arrows.
“Abraham seeded the future Jewish people. Any arguments here?”
And He took him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:5-6
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, (as it is written, “A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist. Romans 4:13-17
All who share in the faith of Abraham through Christ share in the promise God gave him.
“The fact that he was not a Jew is as relevant as Christ being a Jew but Paul founding a new faith, no?”
Paul was a Jew (a Pharisee who persecuted believers in Christ before his conversion.) And Paul didn’t found Christianity: Jesus Christ did. Paul and the other apostles were simply messengers of the good news.
“Things do not have to start with A but they can evolve into a B, no? That particular B is recognized by all to be Jews.”
First, your question assumes God’s plan was “evolving.” His plan of redemption for all of mankind was in motion the day He created mankind. Our understanding of His plan may evolve, but His plan has never evolved.
For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 1 Peter 1:20-21
But, as noted in the citation from Paul I posted, those early Jews who believed in Christ believed the promise of redemption through faith in Christ was available to all.
“So are you saying G-ds promise is for all Mankind?”
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