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Rand Paul to Vote Against Gang of Eight's Immigration Bill
National Review ^ | June 23, 2013 | Eliana Johnson

Posted on 06/23/2013 9:36:26 AM PDT by VitacoreVision

National Review:
Rand Paul: I’m a ‘No’ On Gang of Eight Bill

Youtube:
Rand Paul: I'm a 'No' on Gang of Eight Bill


Rand Paul announced on Sunday that he will vote against the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill because it does not sufficiently secure the Southern border.

“I’m like most conservatives in the country in that I think reform should be dependent on border security first,” Paul said, noting that he introduced a bill that was voted down that would have given Congress that power to vote on whether the border is in fact secure. “To me what really tells me that they’re serious would be letting Congress vote on whether the border is secure. If the people in the country want to be assured that we will not get another ten million people to come here illegally over the next decade, they have to believe that they get a vote through their Congress. If this is a done deal once the bill is over…I don’t think we’ll really get a truly secure border.”

The Senate this week will vote on both the Corker-Hoeven amendment, a last-minute attempt by Republicans to strengthen the border-security measures in the Gang of Eight’s bill, and the Gang’s bill itself.

Paul, an advocate of immigration reform, went on to say that the bill will undoubtedly pass the Senate, but that it’s “dead on arrival” in the Republican-controlled House.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; gangofeight; immigration; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls
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1 posted on 06/23/2013 9:36:26 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

2016 must be on his mind. He was sending out feelers the last couple weeks that made me think he was going to support this bill.


2 posted on 06/23/2013 9:38:50 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: VitacoreVision

Looks like in this instance the House woke up.


3 posted on 06/23/2013 9:41:36 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: VitacoreVision

I don’t know if this all just Kabuki theater. They have the votes to pass it, so some Senators are allowed to vote against it to appease their constituents. Maybe, Rand Paul is voting against this bill on principle and the aforementioned political calculus was never taken into consideration. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I am growing cynical about things.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 9:43:14 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: VitacoreVision

Good


5 posted on 06/23/2013 9:43:41 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: VitacoreVision

Good news. Rand is back in our zone.


6 posted on 06/23/2013 9:44:30 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: VitacoreVision

Excellent!


7 posted on 06/23/2013 9:47:02 AM PDT by boycott
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To: VitacoreVision

I’m glad to hear SOMEONE will vote against it. But Jeff Sessions has warned us what will happen when it reaches the House: a more acceptable bill will be passed, and then it will go into conference with the Senate, where it will be gutted and a version acceptable to the Democrats will be written. Border security sometime in the nonspecific future, amnesty loopholes big enough to drive a truck through, 30 million new citizens who will drain our economy and vote Democrat.


8 posted on 06/23/2013 9:47:19 AM PDT by American Quilter (I believe the Benghazi whistleblowers.)
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To: dowcaet

Paul has always been border security first and no new path to citizenship. Liars have misstated his position on illegal immigration. Go to his web site and read his position for your self, it has not changed since first put up there months and months ago.


9 posted on 06/23/2013 9:48:09 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: Hostage

He never left our side.


10 posted on 06/23/2013 9:48:49 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: VitacoreVision

Rand, it is not the border but the huge increase in immigration and the doubling of the guest worker program that should dictate all Reps be against the bill. It is about JOBS AND THE AMERICAN WORKER.


11 posted on 06/23/2013 9:48:52 AM PDT by kabar
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To: jpsb

Ted Kennedy’s 1964 immigration reform act was a travesty.

Immigration laws do need reform but not the way the dems are writing it.

Rand Paul has been said to favor a pathway to citizenship which requires legalization. His bill to secure the border would have never been enforced by this administration. His playing politics with legalization would lead to 10 million new democrat voters in short order. They would register to vote without proving citizenship. Illegal immigrants will cheat on voting just as they cheated by coming across the border illegally.

Rand doesn’t seem to understand that legalization gives the democrats permanent power for generations.

There should be no legalization until there are mass deportations and the border is secure. Then we’ll talk.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 9:59:07 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: VitacoreVision

Ok, great! If he follows through.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 10:01:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: kabar

It’s also about TAXES, AND AMERICAN WELFARE!


14 posted on 06/23/2013 10:03:08 AM PDT by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: VitacoreVision; All

So, tomorrow, he will support it again? Will he be against it on Wednesday?

I do not trust Randmesty

He already voted in favor to bring Rubio-Obama Amnesty to the floor...so he is still Amnesty Liberal.


15 posted on 06/23/2013 10:07:07 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: VitacoreVision

He played this card. Now they will not let him too close to gain information. They will have their knives out for him.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 10:07:56 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: VitacoreVision

good


17 posted on 06/23/2013 10:11:31 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: American Quilter

“30 million new citizens who will drain our economy and vote Democrat.”

Maybe in 20 years...


18 posted on 06/23/2013 10:11:38 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: 3Fingas
I don’t know if this all just Kabuki theater.

It's Kabuki theater. Not just with Paul but with every Republican/Conservative politician, regardless of whether they claim to support or oppose immigration reform.

Exhibit A is the crickets chirping about the fact that the unions - GOVERNMENT UNIONS - that cover the different immigration agencies have come out strongly AGAINST the measure because the agencies don't have the capacity or capability to handle that kind of volume without resorting to rubber stamping applications.

FoxNews article from over a MONTH AGO can be found here

Palinkas says the bill doesn’t address the pressure he claims is put on adjudication officers to rubber stamp applications instead of conducting diligent case reviews. He says it fails to fix the “insurmountable bureaucracy” which often prevents USCIS officers from contacting and coordinating with ICE agents in cases that should have their involvement, and doesn’t do enough to address the problem of student visa overstays.

Not only that, but there's THIS article from Breitbart where the union official says that rubber stamping is already underway.

"These practices ... guarantee that applications will be rubber-stamped for approval, a practice that virtually guarantees widespread fraud and places public safety at risk," Palinkas said in a statement.

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According to the UCCIS, 99.2 percent of applications for final judgment have been approved since April, and nearly 292,000 illegal immigrants have been given temporary legal status. In addition, the agency has only processed 60% of the applications received since April.


But apart from these articles - which hit more than a month ago - I've heard absolutely nothing on the subject. Including from Republican/Conservative politicians who claim to be against immigration reform.

The above is damning. Isn't it? Or am I missing something? Why isn't it front and center in the debate?
19 posted on 06/23/2013 10:11:47 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: All

Accuracy in Media reports that the immigration “reform” bill includes two “slush funds” amounting to $150,000,000 that may be supplemented with additional taxpayer dollars for years to come. These funds would go to “public or private, non-profit organizations such as La Raza, Casa de Maryland, and the American Immigration lawyers Association!
These and other organizations are ethno-centric-—devoted to helping illegal immigrants apply for legal status.

The reform bill not only provides amnesty for illegal immigrants, but for their employers. As the Center for Immigration Studies points out, “Illegal aliens will be rewarded for breaking laws for which American citizens are routinely punished” such as the use of fraudulent Social Security cards, while imposing a $1,000 penalty that “in many cases would be waived. Then they would be issued a new Social Security number without any past bad credit or arrest records.”


20 posted on 06/23/2013 10:12:45 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Hostage

Immigration does need reform. I don’t think the quota based immigration is really doing what America wants.

It would be better to have people pay x amount to legally come to america and gain residency. They would then have to stay in America for a specific length of time (say 10 years) maintaining residency and then they could apply for citizenship.

Break a law - get deported and have to start all over.

However, this would only work if and only if, the welfare state were dismantled. So the problem isn’t really immigration but the welfare state.


21 posted on 06/23/2013 10:14:33 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: VitacoreVision

If the bill passes and people such as Paul vote against it, I will consider those no votes to be nothing more than safe votes.

Either convince your “honorable” colleagues to defeat this treasonous bill, or be blamed for it.

It’s all or nothing.


22 posted on 06/23/2013 10:18:57 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: VitacoreVision

Well I would hope so. Any Republican that votes for this POS should be run out of the party. And you know there will be a bunch of them. Count GA’s two RINO’s Chambliss and Isakson in that bunch.


23 posted on 06/23/2013 10:20:55 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I can tell you what this American wants.

I want a government that is not full to the brim of lying scumbags doing their damn best to completely destroy this country, and until such time as that, I do not want and I am not interested in any fix to anything else, nor do I trust anything they so or do about anything.

Nothing.


24 posted on 06/23/2013 10:21:35 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: VitacoreVision

So Rand’s excuse is the border wouldn’t be secure enough under this plan. And if the border were secure enough? Then what Rand? You would then agree to flooding this nation with 100 million plus new citizens in under 20 years?

Someone set this guy on auto-destruct! Sadly, it was him.

NO SALE!


25 posted on 06/23/2013 10:37:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: VitacoreVision
Gee, this guy has had a change of heart. A few days ago he was championing this bill. He's observed how Rubio has been relegated to the junk heap of political has-beens. Go Cruz!!
26 posted on 06/23/2013 11:09:44 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: VitacoreVision

at least somebody has a spine


27 posted on 06/23/2013 11:33:10 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: VitacoreVision

Rand Paul is one of the few voices of reason among elected officials. He’s got my vote for 2016 as a presidential candidate, and if he fails to secure the GOP nomination then I hope he bolts to run as a third-party candidate. I don’t think the time has ever been riper for a third party run, and Rand Paul can do it.


28 posted on 06/23/2013 11:40:07 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: Fireone

If you don’t have a job, you don’t pay taxes (income/payroll) and you go on welfare.


29 posted on 06/23/2013 11:53:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: dowcaet
2016 must be on his mind

Especially now that Rubio totally betrayed his supporters concerning "border security first" and Ted Cruz seems to be okay with recrational invasions in the middle east.

With the feds response to Snowden, it's going to help Rand Paul cobble together supporters who want the feds to get back to the stuff they're supposed to be doing.

30 posted on 06/23/2013 11:58:22 AM PDT by grania
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To: AtlasStalled
SEIU supported Rand Paul's statement on amnesty.

SEIU Welcomes Senator Rand Paul's Support for Commonsense Immigration Reform

Eliseo Medina, Secretary-Treasurer of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), released the following statement:

"The diversity behind the voices in support of commonsense immigration reform continues to grow, strengthening the call for a solution this year. The GOP should heed Sen. Rand Paul's words today and truly join the consensus that wants Congress to pass a bill that will create a just roadmap to citizenship, boost our economy and keep families together.

31 posted on 06/23/2013 12:00:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: VitacoreVision

The only way this bill passes is when the congressional black caucus and Al Sharpton etc get their pound of flesh first. Then it will pass. The Gop will go along.


32 posted on 06/23/2013 12:26:38 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: VitacoreVision

First of all. it’s not “immigrant reform”, it’s allowing criminals to be rewarded for breaking our laws. Millions of democrat voters, millions of future welfare cases and millions of spanish speaking new children to invade America. It is pure insanity to even consider making these criminals into American citizens.


33 posted on 06/23/2013 1:39:20 PM PDT by soycd
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To: grania

Rand Paul is going to have an uphill climb regardless of the kind of support he gets from like-minded people like those of us here. The establishment has already lined up behind Jeb Bush and they’ll be greasing the skids for him. I don’t want another repeat of the last few nomination battles where conservatives ate each other up and failed to coalesce behind a candidate paving the way for RINOS as Dole, McLame, and Romney to win. 2016 doesn’t look promising and what a nightmare for America it will be if it comes down to a choice between Hillary and Jeb.


34 posted on 06/23/2013 1:45:34 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: dowcaet
to a choice between Hillary and Jeb.

That's no choice at all. There is zero difference between Bushes and Clintons, see Mena Airport.

35 posted on 06/23/2013 1:46:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dowcaet

2016 must be on his mind. He was sending out feelers the last couple weeks that made me think he was going to support this bill.
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And those “feelers” have been enough to remove him from my personal “short list” of those who should be the SINGLE TRUE CONSERVATIVE in the 2016 primary contests (let’s end the practice of conservatives splitting the conservative vote many ways allowing a RINO to scoot in to the nomination).


36 posted on 06/23/2013 1:51:39 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: VitacoreVision

Fix the leak in the boat before you start bailing it out.


37 posted on 06/23/2013 1:55:45 PM PDT by South40
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To: dowcaet

“..2016 doesn’t look promising and what a nightmare for America it will be if it comes down to a choice between Hillary and Jeb.”
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IMHO we need fewer defeatists and more folks standing firm and supporting (with their time and, if they are in a position to do so, their financial support).

Right now we need to be fighting this Amnesty on all fronts and beginning to find and support firm conservatives for 2014 Republican primaries, both for the US House & Senate and for local governments.


38 posted on 06/23/2013 1:56:38 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

Sorry, I hit the previous post when I meant to spell check it and therefore posted it prematurely. I meant to say:

IMHO we need fewer defeatists and more folks standing firm and supporting (with their time and, if they are in a position to do so, their financial support) our Representatives and Senators who are TODAY fighting this Amnesty.

Right now we need to fight this Amnesty on all fronts and start the process of finding and supporting firm conservatives for 2014 Republican primaries, both for the US House & Senate and for local government positions.


39 posted on 06/23/2013 2:01:36 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

I’m not looking for ideological purity. I myself trend Libertarian on most social issues but I know the damage liberals are doing to our country and I’ll support a principled, conservative candidate even if I don’t agree with him or her on gay marriage and drug legalization. Those issues need to be put on the backburner as our country’s economic vitality and national security need rescue from this administration. I want someone in the White House who “will say what he means and means what he says”.


40 posted on 06/23/2013 2:04:22 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: chris37

>> those no votes to be nothing more than safe votes.

High possibility.


41 posted on 06/23/2013 2:11:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: dowcaet

Agreed. The MSM is going full court press for Jeb. If neither Cruz nor Palin runs I will energetically pull the lever for Rand. Even over Scott Walker who I think is great also.


42 posted on 06/23/2013 2:23:43 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: JCBreckenridge; American Quilter
“30 million new citizens who will drain our economy and vote Democrat.”

Maybe in 20 years...

You are kiding right? They breed like rabbits.

43 posted on 06/23/2013 2:24:40 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: AtlasStalled

It’s practically impossible to bolt for a third-party run after losing a nomination. TR did in 1912; did anyone else?


44 posted on 06/23/2013 2:38:12 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: dowcaet

We should have Jebbie/Hillary (R) and HIllary/Jebbie (D). That would attract a lot of interest from the low-information voters and truly confuse them.


45 posted on 06/23/2013 2:39:35 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Sirius Lee

Cruz, Palin, Paul, and Walker are all preferable to Jeb Bush. I’m tired of the Bush influence on the Republican Party. Too many moderate/centrist types who stand for nothing are leading the GOP to the brink of oblivion.


46 posted on 06/23/2013 2:42:14 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: DoughtyOne

Rand Paul needs to tell the Hispandering Speaking Association what his position on Interior Enforcement, Enforce IRCA and The Safe Act.

He also has to tell the black community what he learnt from the Jamiel Shaw case. Also he needs to explain what factories Black Americans refuse to work in.

Rand Paul needs to meet with Chris Crane.


47 posted on 06/23/2013 3:09:10 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: unixfox

Not really. Demographics here actually suggest a longterm decrease with birthrates under 2.1


48 posted on 06/23/2013 5:47:05 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: Theodore R.

It’s practically impossible to bolt for a third-party run after losing a nomination. TR did in 1912; did anyone else?
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Gary Johnson did it in 2012. It’s a complete waste & only serves to promote progressive candidates.


49 posted on 06/24/2013 4:57:54 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Hostage
"Rand Paul has been said to favor a pathway to citizenship which requires legalization.

Paul has said repeatedly No new pathways to citizenship, the same is also posted on his web site.

50 posted on 06/24/2013 9:06:57 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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