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BREAKING: Zimmerman Judge Rules Out Audio Experts
TTAG ^ | JUNE 22, 2013 | Robert Farago

Posted on 06/22/2013 9:24:04 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER

“In a major blow for the prosecution in the George Zimmerman case, a judge on Saturday barred the testimony of two audio experts who suggested that a taped 911 call indicated Trayvon Martin was crying out for help during the violent struggle that ended with a gunshot,”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: braking; florida; georgezimmerman; mistrial; notbreakingnews; testimony; trayvonmartin; trial; zimmerman
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This is excellent news!
1 posted on 06/22/2013 9:24:05 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

what about the defense audio experts?


2 posted on 06/22/2013 9:26:05 AM PDT by digger48
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That’s 1 point for justice. Of course, he shouldn’t be there in the 1st place but I’d take it.


3 posted on 06/22/2013 9:26:58 AM PDT by albie
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Surprising. “Exert” “testimony” which is outright and obvious fabrication usually gets into evidence.
4 posted on 06/22/2013 9:28:06 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: digger48

Maybe there aren’t any. His words on the call speak for themselves.....where the audio experts were interpreting nonverbal noises? Just my SWAG.


5 posted on 06/22/2013 9:28:17 AM PDT by quilterdebbie (We will endeavor to persevere!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

It sounds like the judge might have felt they were going beyond their level of established expertise in the proposed testimony. Too many begged questions. Good sense may yet prevail.


6 posted on 06/22/2013 9:30:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: BenLurkin
It’s voodoo science, no legitimite authorities recognize it.
7 posted on 06/22/2013 9:31:17 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: BenLurkin

I believe ego is a common reason for this. The judge wants to look brilliant and smart and precedent-making etc. rather than trying to be fair, which is dullsville from an ego standpoint. (However striving to be fair does thrill God.)


8 posted on 06/22/2013 9:31:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3034316/posts


9 posted on 06/22/2013 9:31:52 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

So Best Buy employees can’t testify?


10 posted on 06/22/2013 9:32:15 AM PDT by ken5050 (Due to all the WH scandals, MSNBC is changing its slogan from "Lean Forward" to "BOHICA")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
barred the testimony of two audio experts

Were they named "Sharpton" and "Jackson" ?

11 posted on 06/22/2013 9:32:30 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: digger48

what about the defense audio experts?
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The defense audio experts were honest and testified that it was impossible to identify the “screamer” based upon the poor quality of the recording and the few split seconds available for analysis.


12 posted on 06/22/2013 9:32:40 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: ken5050
So Best Buy employees can’t testify?

***SNORT***

13 posted on 06/22/2013 9:34:26 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Tell me what you want to say said the expert as he picked up the check and smiled.

The idea that one could conclude it was Tray "screaming" by matching it to his normal voice was stupid.

14 posted on 06/22/2013 9:34:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Izzy Dunne
Were they named "Sharpton" and "Jackson" ?

Not likely. I believe "audio experts" are people that have some experience in listening.

15 posted on 06/22/2013 9:34:42 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: digger48

They are still available to the defense. I don’t see a great use for them, off the top of my head, but they can be called.


16 posted on 06/22/2013 9:35:52 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: House Atreides

thanks


17 posted on 06/22/2013 9:36:19 AM PDT by digger48
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Frankly, I think there is now “someone” she is “personally” consulting with on this case....and that she would like out because she knows there is no case against Zimmerman.


18 posted on 06/22/2013 9:37:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: digger48
If I understand what the defense said on Thurs they did not have the money to hire an expert audio witness...they were going by what the FBI wrote in it's report that the idenity of the person screaming in the audio could not be determined...the audio was only 3 seconds long...the audio expert the prosecution had hired (his name escapes me now) charged $3300 for a half day of testimony...but he was SURE the voice on the audio was Trayvon Martin's...my feeling is after listening to the prosecution's audio witness is that some people will say anything for money...he seemed to be a real scumbag...imho

19 posted on 06/22/2013 9:38:21 AM PDT by ~Vor~ (Freeper since 10/98)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Maybe not, the defense experts would have blown the prosecution’s ‘experts’ out of the water — in front of the jury.


20 posted on 06/22/2013 9:42:41 AM PDT by expat2
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To: tacticalogic

Oh, lol!!!


21 posted on 06/22/2013 9:45:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: ~Vor~

“...my feeling is after listening to the prosecution’s audio witness is that some people will say anything for money...he seemed to be a real scumbag...imho”
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I listened to that idiot being interviewed and I agree wholeheartedly with this-—if you leave out the two words ‘seemed to’.


22 posted on 06/22/2013 9:46:08 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Remember the movie, “Lock Up”, I think it was, with Sylvester Stallone and Patrick Swayze? The “audio expert” was the mole.


23 posted on 06/22/2013 9:46:59 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.g)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Wait...I think it was Kurt Russell?


24 posted on 06/22/2013 9:48:14 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.g)
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To: Sacajaweau
That is a real possibility.

I also wonder if she thought that the audio stuff was so flaky that if the prosecution brought in their audio experts that the defense witnesses might destroy them through the defense witnesses testimony. It need not be oppositional (prosecution says it is the Right Reverend St Trayvon versus defense saying it is George Z. It may simply be that the prosecution says it is His Holiness St Trayvon versus defense saying "We cannot tell who it is - there is not enough there to tell with any certainty.) This second scenario might be more dangerous as the jury could decide the defense is right and the audio stuff goes out the window.

25 posted on 06/22/2013 9:50:20 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: tacticalogic
"I believe "audio experts" are people that have some experience in listening."

AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! I like your thinking!

26 posted on 06/22/2013 9:51:31 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I am always skeptical when a dim-lef-lib-pro-soc-com-tot does something that seems to help but never works.

She has ulterior motives.


27 posted on 06/22/2013 9:53:16 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: digger48

they won’t be necessary now


28 posted on 06/22/2013 9:53:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I don’t believe this trial is about guilt or not guilty, it as all about social unrest, riots and mayhem in the streets of the big inner cities.


29 posted on 06/22/2013 9:53:53 AM PDT by SilverMine (IF the US govt says it, it is a lie.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
It's really sad. I haven't been closely following this case but, if I were on the jury , I'd vote to free Zimmerman. The sad part is, not based on any information, but simply because the media (along with Zer0 and his half-assed comment) so badly want to see him convicted. Think about it, you have the usual race baiters, the pictures of the two men side by side, Travon looking as innocent as a lamb, Zimmerman in county orange and on top of it Zimmerman is constantly refferd to as a "White Hispanic" as if that alone proves he's guilty.

There's no way this man can get a fair trial.

30 posted on 06/22/2013 9:55:16 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I’ve been waiting ever so patiently for this judge to make her first ruling in favor of the defense. Alas, she’s now done it twice in the final days before trial. No prosecutor ‘audio expert’ and no reference to racial profiling. A step in the right direction.

To me, the most telling thing is that Jesse and Al aren’t down in Sanford stirring up the troops. Just like the Decatur IL case, they may have jumped in a little too soon and now have to retreat. We can hope.


31 posted on 06/22/2013 9:56:26 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The ORDER EXCLUDING THE OPINION TESTIMONY OF MR. OWEN AND DR. REICH

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0613/order_excluding.pdf


32 posted on 06/22/2013 9:56:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SilverMine
I don’t believe this trial is about guilt or not guilty, it as all about social unrest, riots and mayhem in the streets of the big inner cities.

Exactly right, and if Zimmerman is found not guilty I'd give 50-50 odds that the fraud in the WH makes another comment about the case. Just to fan the flames.

33 posted on 06/22/2013 9:57:47 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"What do you want to be when you grow up, Jimmy?"

"I want to be an audio expert!"

34 posted on 06/22/2013 9:58:01 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain and "The Flake" have got to go.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

good but I am worried about the jury too, one woman admitted she used this case to tell her kids how not to dress as they could be profiled.
After hearing about the others too then I;m worried


35 posted on 06/22/2013 9:58:17 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
according to the news article I read this Judge was a democrat but now is a Republican..I say bull she rules like a democrat..I think she became a republican when it was time for elections..I think Zimmerman needs to watch it she will rule out all the evidence about the little thug Martin,
36 posted on 06/22/2013 10:03:54 AM PDT by PLD
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

My guess is that this corrupt judge realized it was Zimmerman screaming for help and would never allow that in court! Not politically correct, you see!


37 posted on 06/22/2013 10:05:06 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Cboldt
They are still available to the defense.

Was that states in the article? (I didn't click the link) One might think that,in the interest of "fairness" that if the judge bars one side from calling a certain type of "expert" the same ban would apply to the other side as well.Unless,perhaps,the judge doubted the expertise of a *particular individual*.

I don’t see a great use for them, off the top of my head, but they can be called.

One might think that research has been done at various universities,perhaps even prestigious ones (MIT,Harvard Medical School,etc) on the human voice and voice recognition that could be applied to a matter like this.If my hunch is correct the only thing that might call the "science" into question is if respected researchers have reached substantially different conclusions in their work.

38 posted on 06/22/2013 10:07:32 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Sacajaweau

There really is no case against him, and everybody knows it.

The thing is that if she rules out these audio experts, I think she can also rule out the ones that supported Zimmerman. So who knows where this is going to go?


39 posted on 06/22/2013 10:10:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: Gay State Conservative
The order specifically excludes Owen and Reich, while mentioning four other experts. Only the opinion testimony of Owen are Reich are excluded from testimony. IOW, I got my impression from the opinion and order. I read the news to see how bad they get the facts, not to see what the facts are.

The defense experts testified extensively on the "difficulty" (it's roughly impossible) in applying science to identify a screamer. The human voice changes radically when under that kind of stress, and the changes are unpredictable.

40 posted on 06/22/2013 10:12:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The ones ruled out were NOT experts; they were charlatans. This is very good for GZ.


41 posted on 06/22/2013 10:14:35 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything. Bolshies' gonna bolsh.)
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To: EDINVA

and this mornings AP story locally printed was very even tempered in actually laying out exactly what the case is about.

Meanwhile, when he is found not guilty, first part of discovery for Zimmerman’s civil suit should be a subpeona for all attempts to have the audio recording analyized by the prosecution including the results of those attempts. They did not just stumble into these two nimrods who authored that ridicules report purporting to actually hear the words of St. Trayvon. That may form the basis of the false prosecution claim along with the attempts to withhold other evidence from the defense. The DA in Jacksonville who signed off on this case as an attempt to megotiate a plea to some lessor charge, Nifonging GZ, needs to be removed too.


42 posted on 06/22/2013 10:17:34 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: digger48

The defense experts merely controverted the government’s. Each of them said that nothing could be said about who was screaming in the tape.


43 posted on 06/22/2013 10:25:52 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: House Atreides

Also they said that screaming is not matchable to regular speech and since they do not have screaming samples from either Zimmerman or Martin...


44 posted on 06/22/2013 10:25:53 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
audio
45 posted on 06/22/2013 10:26:33 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: tacticalogic

Over here in Hollywood, one of my acquaintances who works for Dolby usually gets hired for court testimony as an audio expert. He won’t ever testify unless he’s 100% sure without any doubt as his resume and reputation are on the line.


46 posted on 06/22/2013 10:31:34 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Gay State Conservative

Am I right in assuming that this was audio that was picked up by a witness that was making a 911 call to report a fight?

If so, then the scenario is a teeny-tiny cell phone microphone picking up audio at a distance and out of line-of-sight (since witness did not see the fight, I have to assume it was like from a porch or through a window).

I am no audio expert, but I have sold HiFi gear all my life and the idea that distant background voices recorded by a microphone from the lowest bidder, digitized to the smallest bit-rate possible, sent through other electronic means and then laid on another recorder could have any testimony worthy information is ludicrous.


47 posted on 06/22/2013 10:32:10 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; Revolting cat!

Maybe John Edwards can channel the spirit of Trayvon as he did in trial lawyer cases about dead children.


48 posted on 06/22/2013 10:34:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

With this ruling, I think it is in order for the defense to ask the court to dismiss the case for lack of evidence. Zimmerman would still be liable to prosecution should sufficient evidence ever be produced. But, really, it is not in the state’s interest or the Martin family’s interest to proceed to a trial and, thus protect Zimmerman from ever being tried again (b/c of double jeopardy), when the prosecution’s case is reduced to one person killed another person and when it is clear that there was a fight and there is no way to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman either started the fight (and, so, would be guilty of something, perhaps assault) or didn’t fear for his life (and, so, was not acting in self defense when he killed Trayvon).


49 posted on 06/22/2013 10:35:03 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: livius
The thing is that if she rules out these audio experts, I think she can also rule out the ones that supported Zimmerman. So who knows where this is going to go?

I was reading that there was at least one witness who heard Zimmerman screaming for help. "Audio expert" versus witness on the scene means "expert" loses.

50 posted on 06/22/2013 10:37:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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