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Snowden chats live with the Guardian: ‘Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped’
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Posted on 06/17/2013 9:34:28 AM PDT by Java4Jay

Edward Snowden, America's most wanted whistle-blower, participated in a live online chat with the Guardian newspaper on Monday.

"All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me," Snowden wrote. "Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; bigbrother; cultureofcorruption; frontpage; obamascandals; obamunism; orwelliannightmare; wiretapping
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"The reality is this: if an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc analyst has access to query raw SIGINT databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want. Phone number, email, user id, cell phone handset id (IMEI), and so on—it's all the same," Snowden replied.
1 posted on 06/17/2013 9:34:28 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Java4Jay

Dead man talking


2 posted on 06/17/2013 9:35:33 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Java4Jay

yes the story is about him, not about the database where this information is stored. Information on every single American citizen.


3 posted on 06/17/2013 9:38:08 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Java4Jay
Snowden comes across as a naive, and foolish young man. However, he has done us all a service by blowing the lid on this for whatever reasons. PRISM and the programs associaetd with it are establishing an hugely obtrusive Federal surveillance of all American citizens. What was billed to be directed only at ISlamic terrorists...we could "trust them," on that, has turned into a massive program that by default gathers info on us all.

And, it is leading to much more dredible sources regarding what is going on stepping forward.


SNOWDEN, PRISM, AND THE NSA


27 STATEMENTS BY SNOWDEN ON PRISM

The best expose on PRISM now comes from the 40 year career NSA employee, William Benny, who became the director of Intelligence there under Geroge W. Bush. He has gone public since Snowden and detailed the full capabilities of PRISM and what the NSA was doing.

Former Director of NSA Intelligence reveals the full extent of PRISM capabilities. MUST SEE!

Another William Benny interview about PRISM and the NSA

4 posted on 06/17/2013 9:43:52 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Java4Jay

I don’t understand why Cheney, for example, is so eager to call this guy a traitor.

All he released is “metadata”: information about the information.

Any decent spy from another country would already behave as if every phone was bugged, wouldn’t they?

Hell the Mafia has assumed that since 1930 or so. That’s why they meet in person at coffeeshops, etc.

So the only thing different now, is that the innocent millions of Americans now KNOW they’re being watched.

Hardly a traitorous act, it seems to me.


5 posted on 06/17/2013 9:44:19 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Traitor he’s not. Anybody with good common sense that’s been getting news off FR should suspect this crap has been going on for years.


6 posted on 06/17/2013 9:50:30 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Java4Jay

wierd, we have the left claiming he was a highly skilled hacker, whiel the right liek bolton, and rove and others claiming he was a no talent unsophisticated traitor/loser

Seems to me BOTH sides want to discredit him- perhaps they are scared he’s got soemthign on them too?


7 posted on 06/17/2013 9:52:08 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Java4Jay

“Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we’ve been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.” Edward Snowden


8 posted on 06/17/2013 9:52:51 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Izzy Dunne

[[I don’t understand why Cheney, for example, is so eager to call this guy a traitor.]]

I meant ot say cheney in my last post- I beleive the reason the right is pouncing so heavily on snowdon tyryign to discredit him is because they too are scared he’s got soemthign o nthem-


9 posted on 06/17/2013 9:53:26 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Java4Jay

Makes me wonder what the REAL story behind the Newt Gingrich cell phone call was:

http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/1997/01/1397

Just so happened to hear it on a scanner as they were following him?

Really?

In light of all this new information I kind of doubt that story now.


10 posted on 06/17/2013 9:56:50 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Izzy Dunne
I don’t understand why Cheney, for example, is so eager to call this guy a traitor.

Where does Cheney lie on the Neo-Feudal organization chart? The serfs are in that big block labeled serfs.

11 posted on 06/17/2013 9:57:05 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Izzy Dunne

Cheney, if he really believes in the program, committed a HUGE political error IMO.

By stamping the imprimateur of the Dark Lord on this, he has virtually compelled every Democrat to vote yea on the Rand Paul “Repeal the NSA” bill.

Also he way overreached by claiming the NSA program “could have prevented 9-11”. That falls into the category of what Don Rumsfeld used to call “unknown unknowables”.


12 posted on 06/17/2013 9:59:44 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Java4Jay

“All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me,”


13 posted on 06/17/2013 10:12:41 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

“Did you see that guy about the thing? Yeah, okay.”


14 posted on 06/17/2013 10:32:14 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Java4Jay

Holy crap! Is Snowden going to OUT 0BAMA? LOL! SURPRISE, his birth certificate is FAKE, his REAL parents aren’t who we think they are, etc.. LOL!!! I would LOVE this. America rejoice, Hallelujah!


15 posted on 06/17/2013 10:41:19 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Java4Jay

From the horses’ mouths. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/


16 posted on 06/17/2013 10:43:39 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Java4Jay

WHAT IS COMING NEXT WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT?


17 posted on 06/17/2013 10:47:13 AM PDT by angcat
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To: showme_the_Glory

I’m conflicted on this whole thing, as I’m sure many FReepers are.. Snowden bashes intelligence that is justifiable, yet he uses a lot of Constitutional verbiage that shows he’s well informed as to our government by “rule of law and not men”.. Hmmmm.. We’ll see where this goes.


18 posted on 06/17/2013 10:49:09 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: angcat

If Snowden’s revelations pertain to 0bama’s eligibility, that could explain why the insurgents in our gubmint as so hot to punish him. LOL


19 posted on 06/17/2013 10:51:21 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: angcat

I know!


20 posted on 06/17/2013 10:53:07 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

They should all be punished both parties have ruined America.


21 posted on 06/17/2013 10:55:02 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Izzy Dunne

I think you are starting to realize that Cheney is actually just another flavor of tyrant, just as the Bush family is full on tyrants. My advice for Cheney and his new heart is make amends for past decisions by traveling to Syria and assisting McCain’s buddies against the Assad tyrant!


22 posted on 06/17/2013 11:13:35 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Java4Jay

“I don’t understand why Cheney, for example, is so eager to call this guy a traitor.”

Exposing what we can do makes our enemies aware of what we can do.


23 posted on 06/17/2013 11:15:53 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Java4Jay

24 posted on 06/17/2013 11:26:23 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Java4Jay

25 posted on 06/17/2013 11:34:36 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Java4Jay
Anybody with good common sense that’s been getting news off FR should suspect this crap has been going on for years.

The only difference between HIM and US is that he has THE WHOLE WORLD'S ATTENTION.

26 posted on 06/17/2013 11:37:19 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Java4Jay

BS.

He never had access to dossier type information.

That just is not how information is gathered or stored.

Information resides on disparate dbases , in various forms and on various OS’.


27 posted on 06/17/2013 11:57:41 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: showme_the_Glory

His China excuse still doesn’t fly for me. He still went to America’s enemy to leak this information.


28 posted on 06/17/2013 12:04:27 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee; Java4Jay

What information did he leak? The fact that the NSA is spying on everyone? According to several people, including Java4Jay, anyone with common sense already knew that. Also, he didn’t need to go to China to pass information to the Chinese government. (That is, if he had any information to pass to anyone — other than the the fact that the information exists that is.)

At most, Snowden is guilty of providing meta data about meta data (i.e. he’s informed us that meta data is being collected by the NSA).


29 posted on 06/17/2013 12:39:43 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: showme_the_Glory
Dead man talking

That's courageous "dead-man talking."

I hope he's a chatterbox. This 666.guv has NO respect for We The People nor the 4th Amendment, NOR our 1A -- and barely respects out 2A.

30 posted on 06/17/2013 12:43:11 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Black Agnes
You cannot scan cell phones with a police scanner. You can only scan cordless phones.

Cell phones are encrypted with low level encryption...so the story is false.

http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/35376/are-phone-calls-on-a-gsm-network-encrypted

31 posted on 06/17/2013 1:01:06 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: Jeff Head
Snowden comes across as a naive, and foolish young man.

However, he has done us all a service by blowing the lid on this for whatever reasons. PRISM and the programs associated with it are establishing an hugely obtrusive Federal surveillance of all American citizens. What was billed to be directed only at ISlamic terrorists...we could "trust them," on that, has turned into a massive program that by default gathers info ON ALL US.

Well stated.

A .guv program implemented under the auspices of "national security" has wound up a Trojan Horse, betraying a citizenry which assumed our governance would continue acting as our guardians -- not Peeping Toms.

Instead, Mosque activity is near-verboten, monitoring Muslim communications is sloppy (see Boston Marathon).

Moreover and inexplicably, official immigration policy has been to import AND subsidize Muslim immigration. A disturbing Big Picture of systematic constitutional abuse is emerging as Snowden is its catalyst. There is NO justification in the name of "security" to completely trash the 4th Amendment.

32 posted on 06/17/2013 1:06:51 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I remember reading things by Rumsfeld and Cheney during the formulation of the Patriot Act which sounded like what Obama is doing to take over the government. Cheney said an attack on DC (perhaps in a footnote)would be the time for the president to dismiss the Constitution, Congress, etc. and become like a dictator. Nothing new there, except Obama may beat them to it with far worse results. I expect there are other things Cheney/Rumsfeld do not want exposed to the public, as does Bolton, Boehner, Mukasey, Mueller, etc. I am not making this up, but please don’t ask for verification. I may have it somewhere in a stack of boxes but don’t feel like looking. Maybe some one else does.


33 posted on 06/17/2013 1:53:49 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: Izzy Dunne

Cheney is just playing a role. He has never ever addressed any of Snowdens accusations.


34 posted on 06/17/2013 2:57:05 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Sam Gamgee
He still went to America’s enemy to leak this information.

He does not want a drone up his but. And he is laying the ground work for many more Snowdens.

35 posted on 06/17/2013 2:59:44 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Black Agnes

Yes, really.

Cell phones used to use analog transmissions, and it used to be easy to intercept a call with a 800-900Mhz scanner.


36 posted on 06/17/2013 3:31:09 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: willyd

You used to be able to scan analog cell phone calls, which is what Newt’s phone was back then. Remember, that was back in 1997.

Today, you can intercept GSM and CDMA cell phone calls, but the equipment is expensive, or you have to know what you’re doing and do some hacking yourself.

This isn’t rocket science.


37 posted on 06/17/2013 3:38:17 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: iopscusa

I agree with you but I would add that the Bushs should accompany him so that we can get first hand confirmation that ‘a new world order’ is here and alive at home and abroad.


38 posted on 06/17/2013 4:13:41 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Jeff Head
"Snowden comes across as a naive, and foolish young man."

How would you rate his shrewdness and conniving abilities in comparison to another man, say, born between 1940 and 1950?

;-)


39 posted on 06/17/2013 4:15:56 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: justa-hairyape
"He still went to America’s enemy to leak this information."

He does not want a drone up his but. And he is laying the ground work for many more Snowdens.

Snowden needs time for this to develop. HK does have some autonomy, and a "real" legal system and freedoms not found elsewhere in China. My understanding is that Snowden probably could be extradited eventually, but he can buy a lot of time with a legal defense, particularly IF he has money for a top notch lawyer. Plus he can threaten to go to the Chinese gov't with much more damaging goodies (which I believe The Guardian has said he has and they have seen). In effect, he may have a "dead man switch" attached to a quite large bomb. This is a more credible threat if he is in a unique "in-between" but still highly developed place like HK. This as opposed to someone like that poor fool who produced "Innocence of Muslims" and is presently languishing in a jail cell, effectively silenced.*

*At least for now - I've read that he says he still intends to finish it when he gets out, whenever that is...

As for more Snowdens coming out, indeed, I just heard the interview with William Binney, and Binney needs to get on more popular shows than Beck, NOW. His former position & background cannot be belittled the way Snowden's has.

40 posted on 06/17/2013 4:26:55 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: AppyPappy

US firm United Tech pleads guilty to helping China build ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900811/posts

Some U.S. military parts imported from China
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3029086/posts

Pentagon leaning on Chinese satellite for Africa Command ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3014308/posts

[2007] Chinese sub pops up in the midst of a US carrier ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2625337/posts

Security backdoor found in China-made US military chip
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2888925/posts

Chinese counterfeit chips causing military hardware crashes ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2099431/posts

China Debuts “Aegis” Destroyers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1436878/posts

Microsoft reveals US Navy secrets
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1891169/posts

America’s China mistake (Obama shares U.S. naval strategy with China)
LA Times ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3025684/posts
“This spring, China’s navy accepted the Pentagon’s invitation to participate in the 2014 Rim of the Pacific — RIMPAC — naval exercise to be held off Hawaii. This will be the first time China takes part in the biennial event.”

New San Francisco bridge built in China to be shipped to US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2741269/posts


41 posted on 06/17/2013 4:55:47 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Jeff Head

JH, I just read that 2nd interview. I’m not sure how many times I said “S.O.A.B.!!!” (the real words, not the acronym.)

Binney may be a bit in left field, but still, he was a senior employee / dept. head at NSA...

There’s more from him available, if you do a web search.


42 posted on 06/17/2013 4:56:14 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: AppyPappy

Chinese naval officers have toured U.S. ships here, in the USA, as formally invited to do so by our U.S. Navy, BTW (around a decade ago, give or take). Also,...

US Navy Guided-missile Ships Visit China
http://www.china.org.cn/english/MATERIAL/75725.htm

‘Be Ready for a War in 2013 and Also Win it’, China Tells its Soldiers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979921/posts

Senior Chinese military General to Visit Pentagon...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2365427/posts

Chinese general who threatened nuclear strike on U.S. visits Washington this week
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2993623/posts

Hu Jintao tells China navy: Prepare for warfare
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2818141/posts

Chinese Hackers Have Stolen Plans For Pretty Much The Entire US Military
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3024635/posts

Duncan Hunter - What the Chinese are buying with American trade dollars
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1931560/posts


43 posted on 06/17/2013 5:11:21 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Jeff Head

No he did not do me any favors..nor most Americans who already knew.

More importantly he is a man who is hunkered down in a communist country..surrounded by attorneys and advisors...spilling what we have already know...to any nation around the world.

It’s showtime..and he’s taking many “viewers” with him....while our country is being invaded, torn down and destroyed from within....we watch a 29 year old who’s defected and stolen intelligence that has interfered with how countries are now negotiating.

He’s a traitor...and a defector..a liar and a fool.


44 posted on 06/17/2013 5:17:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: Java4Jay

Chinese Admiral Visits Coalition Warship
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/cg65/Pages/chinesevisitchosin.aspx

Chinese, U.S. Sailors Meet, Make Friends
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=25664

China Set To Grab UAV Market While US Restricts Sales
http://nosint.blogspot.com/2013/06/china-set-to-grab-uav-market-while-us.html

UFO War: Chinese and US Navy off San Francisco
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/

U.S., Chinese Navies Complete SAREX Together
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=25702

Chinese Navy Vessels Visit San Diego
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=25643


45 posted on 06/17/2013 5:28:10 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: caww
Bravo Sierra.

This guy is on the run and not hunkered down living some kid of life of ease. I promise you, he does not want to fall into the hands of the CCP.

He revealed what many expected, but he put a face to it, and punctuated it. It has now led to more revelations by people a lot more senior than him so his info has now beeN trumped.

Former Director of NSA Intelligence reveals the full extent of PRISM capabilities. MUST SEE!

Another William Benny interview about PRISM and the NSA

What the 40 year career NSA director (former Director of Intelligence under George W. Bush) is saying is far more revealing and far more explicit.

The fact is, the program is violating American citizen's rights. There is no probable cause for the government to be invading our personal effects in this massive way at all. None. Therefore it is unconstitutional on its face.

So, while he's a kid, and he is naïve...he is not an enemy. The enemy are the people who are violating their oaths to the Constitution by creating, engaging in, and attempting to cover for such a program.

46 posted on 06/17/2013 8:08:53 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Izzy Dunne
All he released is “metadata”: information about the information.

It does seem that way. Well said, iimssm.

47 posted on 06/18/2013 5:41:10 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Maybe Cheney is crazy like a fox —KNOWS how much he’s hated by Obama supporters— and is now using that as a TOOL...?

Perhaps by opposing Snowden his aim is to undercut Leftists now opposing him?

That way Leftist opponents of Snowden appear as Retainers of a Rotten Establishment.

???

Dunno.


48 posted on 06/18/2013 12:07:02 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: CottShop
Both sides want to discredit Snowden because he has opened the door to the massive bipartisan collusion in dissolving every citizen's right to privacy. I like Cheney but his hawkish posture on security after 9/11 leads me to believe he supported this wholeheartedly.

Much as we would like to pin this on the Usurper regime, Bush started it. Since the claim of "treasonous" damage to security is laughable and unsupported by any evidence, the opposition to and demonization of Snowden can only be due to political anxiety on both sides of the aisle.

49 posted on 06/18/2013 3:23:07 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Paul R.
Sorry about the late reply. Very good points.

Would also add that many people missed the main point about the UK government and American spying of the previous G8 meeting that he released a few days ago. He targeted a real time event that does not happen very often. In other words, he must have access to just about everything, or a whole lot more then the US Government is admitting.

50 posted on 06/18/2013 8:55:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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