Skip to comments.Snowden chats live with the Guardian: ‘Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped’
Posted on 06/17/2013 9:34:28 AM PDT by Java4Jay
Edward Snowden, America's most wanted whistle-blower, participated in a live online chat with the Guardian newspaper on Monday.
"All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me," Snowden wrote. "Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped."
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Dead man talking
yes the story is about him, not about the database where this information is stored. Information on every single American citizen.
And, it is leading to much more dredible sources regarding what is going on stepping forward.
The best expose on PRISM now comes from the 40 year career NSA employee, William Benny, who became the director of Intelligence there under Geroge W. Bush. He has gone public since Snowden and detailed the full capabilities of PRISM and what the NSA was doing.
I don’t understand why Cheney, for example, is so eager to call this guy a traitor.
All he released is “metadata”: information about the information.
Any decent spy from another country would already behave as if every phone was bugged, wouldn’t they?
Hell the Mafia has assumed that since 1930 or so. That’s why they meet in person at coffeeshops, etc.
So the only thing different now, is that the innocent millions of Americans now KNOW they’re being watched.
Hardly a traitorous act, it seems to me.
Traitor hes not. Anybody with good common sense thats been getting news off FR should suspect this crap has been going on for years.
wierd, we have the left claiming he was a highly skilled hacker, whiel the right liek bolton, and rove and others claiming he was a no talent unsophisticated traitor/loser
Seems to me BOTH sides want to discredit him- perhaps they are scared he’s got soemthign on them too?
“Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we’ve been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.” Edward Snowden
[[I dont understand why Cheney, for example, is so eager to call this guy a traitor.]]
I meant ot say cheney in my last post- I beleive the reason the right is pouncing so heavily on snowdon tyryign to discredit him is because they too are scared he’s got soemthign o nthem-
Makes me wonder what the REAL story behind the Newt Gingrich cell phone call was:
Just so happened to hear it on a scanner as they were following him?
In light of all this new information I kind of doubt that story now.
Where does Cheney lie on the Neo-Feudal organization chart? The serfs are in that big block labeled serfs.
Cheney, if he really believes in the program, committed a HUGE political error IMO.
By stamping the imprimateur of the Dark Lord on this, he has virtually compelled every Democrat to vote yea on the Rand Paul “Repeal the NSA” bill.
Also he way overreached by claiming the NSA program “could have prevented 9-11”. That falls into the category of what Don Rumsfeld used to call “unknown unknowables”.
“All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me,”
“Did you see that guy about the thing? Yeah, okay.”
Holy crap! Is Snowden going to OUT 0BAMA? LOL! SURPRISE, his birth certificate is FAKE, his REAL parents aren’t who we think they are, etc.. LOL!!! I would LOVE this. America rejoice, Hallelujah!
WHAT IS COMING NEXT WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT?
I’m conflicted on this whole thing, as I’m sure many FReepers are.. Snowden bashes intelligence that is justifiable, yet he uses a lot of Constitutional verbiage that shows he’s well informed as to our government by “rule of law and not men”.. Hmmmm.. We’ll see where this goes.
If Snowden’s revelations pertain to 0bama’s eligibility, that could explain why the insurgents in our gubmint as so hot to punish him. LOL
They should all be punished both parties have ruined America.
I think you are starting to realize that Cheney is actually just another flavor of tyrant, just as the Bush family is full on tyrants. My advice for Cheney and his new heart is make amends for past decisions by traveling to Syria and assisting McCain’s buddies against the Assad tyrant!
“I dont understand why Cheney, for example, is so eager to call this guy a traitor.”
Exposing what we can do makes our enemies aware of what we can do.
The only difference between HIM and US is that he has THE WHOLE WORLD'S ATTENTION.
He never had access to dossier type information.
That just is not how information is gathered or stored.
Information resides on disparate dbases , in various forms and on various OS’.
His China excuse still doesn’t fly for me. He still went to America’s enemy to leak this information.
What information did he leak? The fact that the NSA is spying on everyone? According to several people, including Java4Jay, anyone with common sense already knew that. Also, he didn’t need to go to China to pass information to the Chinese government. (That is, if he had any information to pass to anyone — other than the the fact that the information exists that is.)
At most, Snowden is guilty of providing meta data about meta data (i.e. he’s informed us that meta data is being collected by the NSA).
That's courageous "dead-man talking."
I hope he's a chatterbox. This 666.guv has NO respect for We The People nor the 4th Amendment, NOR our 1A -- and barely respects out 2A.
Cell phones are encrypted with low level encryption...so the story is false.
However, he has done us all a service by blowing the lid on this for whatever reasons. PRISM and the programs associated with it are establishing an hugely obtrusive Federal surveillance of all American citizens. What was billed to be directed only at ISlamic terrorists...we could "trust them," on that, has turned into a massive program that by default gathers info ON ALL US.
A .guv program implemented under the auspices of "national security" has wound up a Trojan Horse, betraying a citizenry which assumed our governance would continue acting as our guardians -- not Peeping Toms.
Instead, Mosque activity is near-verboten, monitoring Muslim communications is sloppy (see Boston Marathon).
Moreover and inexplicably, official immigration policy has been to import AND subsidize Muslim immigration. A disturbing Big Picture of systematic constitutional abuse is emerging as Snowden is its catalyst. There is NO justification in the name of "security" to completely trash the 4th Amendment.
I remember reading things by Rumsfeld and Cheney during the formulation of the Patriot Act which sounded like what Obama is doing to take over the government. Cheney said an attack on DC (perhaps in a footnote)would be the time for the president to dismiss the Constitution, Congress, etc. and become like a dictator. Nothing new there, except Obama may beat them to it with far worse results. I expect there are other things Cheney/Rumsfeld do not want exposed to the public, as does Bolton, Boehner, Mukasey, Mueller, etc. I am not making this up, but please don’t ask for verification. I may have it somewhere in a stack of boxes but don’t feel like looking. Maybe some one else does.
Cheney is just playing a role. He has never ever addressed any of Snowdens accusations.
He does not want a drone up his but. And he is laying the ground work for many more Snowdens.
Cell phones used to use analog transmissions, and it used to be easy to intercept a call with a 800-900Mhz scanner.
You used to be able to scan analog cell phone calls, which is what Newt’s phone was back then. Remember, that was back in 1997.
Today, you can intercept GSM and CDMA cell phone calls, but the equipment is expensive, or you have to know what you’re doing and do some hacking yourself.
This isn’t rocket science.
I agree with you but I would add that the Bushs should accompany him so that we can get first hand confirmation that ‘a new world order’ is here and alive at home and abroad.
He does not want a drone up his but. And he is laying the ground work for many more Snowdens.
Snowden needs time for this to develop. HK does have some autonomy, and a "real" legal system and freedoms not found elsewhere in China. My understanding is that Snowden probably could be extradited eventually, but he can buy a lot of time with a legal defense, particularly IF he has money for a top notch lawyer. Plus he can threaten to go to the Chinese gov't with much more damaging goodies (which I believe The Guardian has said he has and they have seen). In effect, he may have a "dead man switch" attached to a quite large bomb. This is a more credible threat if he is in a unique "in-between" but still highly developed place like HK. This as opposed to someone like that poor fool who produced "Innocence of Muslims" and is presently languishing in a jail cell, effectively silenced.*
*At least for now - I've read that he says he still intends to finish it when he gets out, whenever that is...
As for more Snowdens coming out, indeed, I just heard the interview with William Binney, and Binney needs to get on more popular shows than Beck, NOW. His former position & background cannot be belittled the way Snowden's has.
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JH, I just read that 2nd interview. I’m not sure how many times I said “S.O.A.B.!!!” (the real words, not the acronym.)
Binney may be a bit in left field, but still, he was a senior employee / dept. head at NSA...
There’s more from him available, if you do a web search.
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No he did not do me any favors..nor most Americans who already knew.
More importantly he is a man who is hunkered down in a communist country..surrounded by attorneys and advisors...spilling what we have already know...to any nation around the world.
It’s showtime..and he’s taking many “viewers” with him....while our country is being invaded, torn down and destroyed from within....we watch a 29 year old who’s defected and stolen intelligence that has interfered with how countries are now negotiating.
He’s a traitor...and a defector..a liar and a fool.
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This guy is on the run and not hunkered down living some kid of life of ease. I promise you, he does not want to fall into the hands of the CCP.
He revealed what many expected, but he put a face to it, and punctuated it. It has now led to more revelations by people a lot more senior than him so his info has now beeN trumped.
What the 40 year career NSA director (former Director of Intelligence under George W. Bush) is saying is far more revealing and far more explicit.
The fact is, the program is violating American citizen's rights. There is no probable cause for the government to be invading our personal effects in this massive way at all. None. Therefore it is unconstitutional on its face.
So, while he's a kid, and he is naïve...he is not an enemy. The enemy are the people who are violating their oaths to the Constitution by creating, engaging in, and attempting to cover for such a program.
It does seem that way. Well said, iimssm.
Maybe Cheney is crazy like a fox —KNOWS how much he’s hated by Obama supporters— and is now using that as a TOOL...?
Perhaps by opposing Snowden his aim is to undercut Leftists now opposing him?
That way Leftist opponents of Snowden appear as Retainers of a Rotten Establishment.
Much as we would like to pin this on the Usurper regime, Bush started it. Since the claim of "treasonous" damage to security is laughable and unsupported by any evidence, the opposition to and demonization of Snowden can only be due to political anxiety on both sides of the aisle.
Would also add that many people missed the main point about the UK government and American spying of the previous G8 meeting that he released a few days ago. He targeted a real time event that does not happen very often. In other words, he must have access to just about everything, or a whole lot more then the US Government is admitting.
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