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On PRISM, partisanship and propaganda (incredible article)
Guardian ^

Posted on 06/14/2013 8:45:37 PM PDT by chessplayer

I haven't been able to write this week here because I've been participating in the debate over the fallout from last week's NSA stories, and because we are very busy working on and writing the next series of stories that will begin appearing very shortly. I did, though, want to note a few points, and particularly highlight what Democratic Rep. Loretta Sanchez said after Congress on Wednesday was given a classified briefing by NSA officials on the agency's previously secret surveillance activities:

"What we learned in there is significantly more than what is out in the media today. . . . I can't speak to what we learned in there, and I don't know if there are other leaks, if there's more information somewhere, if somebody else is going to step up, but I will tell you that I believe it's the tip of the iceberg . . . . I think it's just broader than most people even realize, and I think that's, in one way, what astounded most of us, too."

The most vocal media critics of our NSA reporting, and the most vehement defenders of NSA surveillance, have been, by far, Democratic (especially Obama-loyal) pundits. As I've written many times, one of the most significant aspects of the Obama legacy has been the transformation of Democrats from pretend-opponents of the Bush War on Terror and National Security State into their biggest proponents: exactly what the CIA presciently and excitedly predicted in 2008 would happen with Obama's election.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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Incredible article with follow up links in it. The entire article is a highlight, but I could only put so much in the thread body. Looks like what Snowden and Greenwald initially revealed barely scratch's the surface of just how invasive of our privacy this is.
1 posted on 06/14/2013 8:45:37 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Clapper is an enemy of the people. He is actively working to screw us.


2 posted on 06/14/2013 8:47:10 PM PDT by DManA
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To: chessplayer

Privacy World - The WORLD’S SHREWDEST PRIVACY NEWSLETTER

7 Edward Snowden Quotes About U.S. Government Spying That Should Send A Chill Up Your Spine

Would you be willing to give up what Edward Snowden has given up? He has given up his high paying job, his home, his girlfriend, his family, his future and his freedom just to expose the monolithic spy machinery that the U.S. government has been secretly building to the world. He says that he does not want to live in a world where there isn’t any privacy. He says that he does not want to live in a world where everything that he says and does is recorded. Thanks to Snowden, we now know that the U.S. government has been spying on us to a degree that most people would have never even dared to imagine. Up until now, the general public has known very little about the U.S. government spy grid that knows almost everything about us.

But making this information public is going to cost Edward Snowden everything. Essentially, his previous life is now totally over. And if the U.S. government gets their hands on him, he will be very fortunate if he only has to spend the next several decades rotting in some horrible prison somewhere. There is a reason why government whistleblowers are so rare. And most Americans are so apathetic that they wouldn’t even give up watching their favorite television show for a single evening to do something good for society. Most Americans never even try to make a difference because they do not believe that it will benefit them personally. Meanwhile, our society continues to fall apart all around us. Hopefully the great sacrifice that Edward Snowden has made will not be in vain. Hopefully people will carefully consider what he has tried to share with the world. The following are 27 quotes from Edward Snowden about U.S. government spying that should send a chill up your spine...

#1 “The majority of people in developed countries spend at least some time interacting with the Internet, and Governments are abusing that necessity in secret to extend their powers beyond what is necessary and appropriate.”

#2 “...I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”

#3 “The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to.”

#4 “...I can’t in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building.”

#5 “The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything.”

#6 “With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your e-mails or your wife’s phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your e-mails, passwords, phone records, credit cards.”

#7 “Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere... I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President...”

#8 “To do that, the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. It collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them for periods of time simply because that’s the easiest, most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these ends. So while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government, or someone that they suspect of terrorism, they are collecting YOUR communications to do so.”

#9 “I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinized most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians.”

#10 “...they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behavior in the world known to them.”

#11 “Even if you’re not doing anything wrong, you’re being watched and recorded. ...it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you’ve ever made, every friend you’ve ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life.”

#12 “Allowing the U.S. government to intimidate its people with threats of retaliation for revealing wrongdoing is contrary to the public interest.”

#13 “Everyone everywhere now understands how bad things have gotten
- and they’re talking about it. They have the power to decide for themselves whether they are willing to sacrifice their privacy to the surveillance state.”

#14 “I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.”

#15 “I don’t want to live in a world where there’s no privacy, and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity.”

#16 “I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong.”

#17 “I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act.”

#18 “There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich.”

#19 “The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. [People] won’t be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things... And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it’s only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that... because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny.”

#20 “I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant.”

#21 “You can’t come up against the world’s most powerful intelligence agencies and not accept the risk.”

#22 “I know the media likes to personalize political debates, and I know the government will demonize me.”

#23 “We have got a CIA station just up the road - the consulate here in Hong Kong - and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be.”

#24 “I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end.”

#25 “There’s no saving me.”

#26 “The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won’t be able to help any more. That’s what keeps me up at night.”

#27 “I do not expect to see home again.”

Would you make the same choice that Edward Snowden made? Most Americans would not. One CNN reporter says that he really admires Snowden because he has tried to get insiders to come forward with details about government spying for years, but none of them were ever willing to...

As a digital technology writer, I have had more than one former student and colleague tell me about digital switchers they have serviced through which calls and data are diverted to government servers or the big data algorithms they’ve written to be used on our e-mails by intelligence agencies. I always begged them to write about it or to let me do so while protecting their identities. They refused to come forward and believed my efforts to shield them would be futile. “I don’t want to lose my security clearance. Or my freedom,” one told me.

And if the U.S. government has anything to say about it, Snowden is most definitely going to pay for what he has done. In fact, according to the Daily Beast, a directorate known as “the Q Group”
is already hunting Snowden down...

The people who began chasing Snowden work for the Associate Directorate for Security and Counterintelligence, according to former U.S. intelligence officers who spoke on condition of anonymity. The directorate, sometimes known as “the Q Group,” is continuing to track Snowden now that he’s outed himself as The Guardian’s source, according to the intelligence officers.

If Snowden is not already under the protection of some foreign government (such as China), it will just be a matter of time before U.S. government agents get him.

And how will they treat him once they find him? Well, one reporter overheard a group of U.S. intelligence officials talking about how Edward Snowden should be “disappeared”. The following is from a Daily Mail article that was posted on Monday...

A group of intelligence officials were overheard yesterday discussing how the National Security Agency worker who leaked sensitive documents to a reporter last week should be ‘disappeared.’

Foreign policy analyst and editor at large of The Atlantic, Steve Clemons, tweeted about the ‘disturbing’ conversation after listening in to four men who were sitting near him as he waited for a flight at Washington’s Dulles airport.

‘In Dulles UAL lounge listening to 4 US intel officials saying loudly leaker & reporter on #NSA stuff should be disappeared recorded a bit,’ he tweeted at 8:42 a.m. on Saturday.

According to Clemons, the men had been attending an event hosted by the Intelligence and National Security Alliance.

As an American, I am deeply disturbed that the U.S. government is embarrassing itself in front of the rest of the world like this.

The fact that we are collecting trillions of pieces of information on people all over the planet is a massive embarrassment and the fact that our politicians are defending this practice now that it has been exposed is a massive embarrassment.

If the U.S. government continues to act like a Big Brother police state, then the rest of the world will eventually conclude that is exactly what we are. At that point we become the “bad guy” and we lose all credibility with the rest of the planet.

The above by Michael Snyder, Economic Collapse

Until next issue, stay cool and remain low profile!

Privacy World


3 posted on 06/14/2013 8:47:57 PM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: chessplayer

Thanks for posting.


4 posted on 06/14/2013 8:58:04 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: chessplayer
The main problem here is that these totalitarian idiots have created a data base that the very existence of presents a threat to national security. If anyone, say for example the Chinese, were able to access the data base through a contact, say for example Snowden, the entire countries population would be compromised. The people running our country are dumb beyond dumb.
5 posted on 06/14/2013 9:03:23 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: chessplayer

Snowden is a traitor. He violated his security clearance, betrayed his nation’s Signal’s Intelligence methods and sources.


6 posted on 06/14/2013 9:05:13 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: chessplayer

“There is nobody who political officials and their supine media class hate more than those who meaningfully dissent from their institutional orthodoxies and shine light on what they do. The hatred for such individuals is boundless.”

Oh yes, it is nice to see that in print! Wilt the poison pens.


7 posted on 06/14/2013 9:12:03 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: truth_seeker

Well then, he’s a traitor who can be appreciated by those that are having their privacy breached and their votes taken away.

Laws mean NOTHING to Barry and his ilk.

Benghazi Barry is accumulating a great deal of information that will be used against opponents decades into the future.

There comes a time when you HAVE to play their games THEIR way-or you’re gonna end up disappeared.

This is NOT the America it used to be. It may have to be fought for in a different way.


8 posted on 06/14/2013 9:15:17 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: truth_seeker

Obama is the traitor, along with his czars like Van Jones, Bill Ayers, James Clapper, John Brennan (Muslim), etc. and his Muslim Brotherhood in the White House and State Dept. Obama could not pass an FBI security check, and his use of the IRS as a political machine shows his betrayal. He uses the FBI, CIA, EPA, Treasury, HHS, DHS to grab power for his Marxist/Muslim agenda.

We do not know yet whether Snowden is a patriot or a traitor. The out-of-control NSA under Obama may be the traitors. Watch out! CAIR has already announced that Muslims are above the law of the land. Obama may be setting up the Million Muslim March to provoke violence so he can establish martial law.


9 posted on 06/14/2013 9:20:39 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: justa-hairyape
The main problem here is that these totalitarian idiots have created a data base that the very existence of presents a threat to national security.

It's an interesting point.

10 posted on 06/14/2013 9:21:51 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: truth_seeker

The U.S. govt is the traitor, not Snowden. Thanks for letting us know you support a police state that Stalin could only dream of.


11 posted on 06/14/2013 9:22:54 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: truth_seeker

By the way, you don’t have to report my post to the govt. THEY ALREADY HAVE IT!


12 posted on 06/14/2013 9:25:36 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: truth_seeker
Snowden is a traitor. He violated his security clearance, betrayed his nation’s Signal’s Intelligence methods and sources.

LOL, that's so 80s. You don't think Obama and his Narxist buddies aren't giving everything they can to our enemies??

Clinton facilitated the transfer of our Nuclear Weapon systems and advanced guidance systems to the Chinese.

Snowden may be a traitor to those who believe in the Marxists running our country into the ground.

So far what he has revealed is very important -- shows the real traitors to our Constitution is in our own government.

If the NSA is scooping everything then that is extremely ominous. Only evil can come from control of so much information.

13 posted on 06/14/2013 9:26:44 PM PDT by sand88
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To: truth_seeker
Snowden is a traitor. He violated his security clearance, betrayed his nation’s Signal’s Intelligence methods and sources.

Just supposing - what if we find out that Obama and the Dems were using PRISM info directly for political purposes?

14 posted on 06/14/2013 9:27:32 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: chessplayer
It is alleged that Glenn Greenwald is an anti-Israel American Jew.

More on Glenn Greenwald, 'Israel-Firsters,' and Idiot Editors (Updated)

From The Atlantic

Excerpt: " In the case of Greenwald, here is what I think, from afar, since we've never met. When I write that Greenwald's ostentatious anti-Israelism is "fine, of course," I'm not endorsing his views, I'm simply acknowledging that he has a right to say whatever he wants -- he has a right even to defend the use of the neo-Nazi-derived anti-Semitic slur "Israel-Firster" to describe Jews with whom he disagrees -- and I'm also acknowledging, in a way, that he is not sui generis: There have always been Jews who define themselves in opposition to Judaism, Marxists mainly," [truncated]

What difference at this point does it make?

15 posted on 06/14/2013 9:33:23 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: chessplayer
Excellent...thanks for posting. The video at link is outstanding...

Biden from 2006 debating TOTUS/0 on the NSA phone tapping.

16 posted on 06/14/2013 9:34:28 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: truth_seeker

I hope with all my essence for more “traitors” like Snowden. The actual traitors are the systemic creators/controllers of this horrific track-trace-database matrix of anti-liberty.


17 posted on 06/14/2013 9:35:51 PM PDT by Abiotic (The ship of democracy, which has weathered all storms, may sink through the mutiny of those on board)
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To: PGR88
Just supposing - what if we find out that Obama and the Dems were using PRISM info directly for political purposes?

I thought the same. Obama and his Marxist comrades started, on the very first day in office, corrupting all our institutions.

I have no doubt he has turned the NSA to do his dirty work. Who knows what slime wormed their way into positions within the NSA.

After all, he is the President and he has shown the law means nothing to him.

It is very ominous to have so much data in the hands of such people -- they lust for absolute power and they are likely determined to farm as much of the data as possible to use when (if) he leaves office.

These people are evil.

What Snowden has revealed so far is chilling.

My hope is that other Patriots inside the NSA can do what is necessary to alert the people of the evil of a regime that is enveloping our Republic in a virtual Police State..

18 posted on 06/14/2013 9:37:26 PM PDT by sand88
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To: truth_seeker
Snowden is a traitor. He violated his security clearance, betrayed his nation’s Signal’s Intelligence methods and sources.

That may be.

But, at the same time, he has revealed how the federal government's intelligence apparatus is egregiously violating every American's constitutional rights.

One's bad. One's good. Judge him in the balance however you wish.

19 posted on 06/14/2013 9:39:54 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks chessplayer. Even the left-wing larvae of my friends have been posting in favor of the leaker, on Facebook.
The most vocal media critics of our NSA reporting, and the most vehement defenders of NSA surveillance, have been, by far, Democratic (especially Obama-loyal) pundits.

20 posted on 06/14/2013 9:45:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: diamond6; maggief; penelopesire; thouworm; MestaMachine; SE Mom

Keeper. Follow to post


21 posted on 06/14/2013 9:47:58 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: chessplayer

The nature and identity of Greenwald’s critics is educational in two ways. One, it shows Obama’s supporters ready for authoritarian rule. Two, a lot of so called Republicans, particularly the leadership, are ready to go along. Brooks, in the NYT said:

” for society to function well, there have to be basic levels of trust and cooperation, a respect for institutions and deference to common procedures.”


22 posted on 06/14/2013 9:52:52 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: chessplayer

okay if folks are saying what’s been reported so far is the “tip of the icebeg”......any thoughts as to what else NSA is doing?


23 posted on 06/14/2013 9:59:12 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: truth_seeker

BS, Obama and his regime are the traitors, Snowden is a hero.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 10:03:25 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: sand88
If the NSA is scooping everything then that is extremely ominous. Only evil can come from control of so much information.

Agree. It's a ticking time bomb. If at some future point the government decides to damage an individual--say an opponent of the regime--it only needs to paw the database until it finds the appropriate dirt to smear them with. Bad, bad news. It's akin to the trend of criminalizing everything. Sooner or later, they can get you on one pretext or another. You don't even need to lock people up, instead you just destroy their ability to make a living, as was frequently done in the Eastern Bloc and China.
25 posted on 06/14/2013 10:07:39 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Sam Gamgee; Alaska Wolf; montanajoe

PING


26 posted on 06/14/2013 10:09:29 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: diamond6
Thanks to Snowden, we now know that the U.S. government has been spying on us to a degree that most people would have never even dared to imagine. Up until now, the general public has known very little about the U.S. government spy grid that knows almost everything about us.

Bears repeating...

Yet there are pro-Big Brother, anti-Constitutionalists in our midst NOT blaming 0dinga, Holder, Big Sis, and the rest of the Commie-Fascists who spit on the 4th Amendment, but a Whistleblower who exposed their illegal violation of our rights.

27 posted on 06/14/2013 10:15:36 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: diamond6

It occurs to me that folks who are astonished at the scope of the NSA snooping don’t really believe in God. They just didn’t think it could be done. LOL. On both counts. LOL.


28 posted on 06/15/2013 1:00:10 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: justa-hairyape
The people running our country are dumb beyond dumb.

And they're evil to the Nth degree.

29 posted on 06/15/2013 1:02:00 AM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: sand88
It is very ominous to have so much data in the hands of such people -- they lust for absolute power....

Yes and Obama lusts for another goal.... He is dead set on having REVENGE! That makes this out of control regime all the more dangerous.

30 posted on 06/15/2013 1:12:48 AM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: chessplayer; annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; ...
Treason is having a full on jihadi in the whitehouse. Treason is KNOWING there is a full on jihadi in the whitehouse and doing nothing about it. Treason is knowing there is a full on jihadi in the whitehouse and allowing him to use our military to further his jihadi goals in the name of human rights.

Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise.


Benghazi Index

31 posted on 06/15/2013 1:42:29 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: USS Johnston
But just consider what she's saying: as a member of Congress, she had no idea how invasive and vast the NSA's surveillance activities are

Then she should resign because she is an ignoramus.

What is the NSA domestic spying program? In October 2001, President Bush issued a secret presidential order authorizing the NSA to conduct a range of surveillance activities inside of the United States without statutory authorization or court approval, including electronic surveillance of Americans’ telephone and Internet communications. This program of surveillance continues through today and works with the cooperation of major telecommunications companies.

In 2005, after the New York Times broke the story of the surveillance program, the President publicly admitted one portion of it—warrantless surveillance of Americans believed to be communicating with people connected with terrorism suspects—Senior Bush Administration officials later confirmed that the President’s authorization went beyond the surveillance of terrorists and conceded that the program did not comply with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The President, invoking a theory of limitless executive power to disregard the mandates of Congress, has reauthorized this warrantless surveillance more than thirty times, including after the Department of Justice found the program to violate criminal laws. President Obama has continued the program, but has given no public legal justification for it and, in some situations, appears to be strategically denying certain portions of it. For other portions, including the collection of telecommunications records, the Obama Administration says it can neither confirm nor deny its actions.

32 posted on 06/15/2013 2:11:15 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: chessplayer
Glenn Greenwald is an intellectually honest liberal.

That is as rare a breed as the mythical unicorn.

The late Christoper Hitchens is the only other unicorn that I can think of.

Hitchens had no more tolerance for the Clinton Crime family than those on the Whitewater Forum which would become this forum.

Lawrence O'Donnell and David Axelrod are lowest forms of life on this planet in that they stand for nothing other than whatever criminal behavior is necessary to maintain absolute power.

That said Karl Rove and Tricky Dicky Cheney are no better than Axelrod and O'Donnell.

The police state is all about arguing whether my boy Bush is a better Police Chief of the totalitarian state than your boy Obama.

Fast Eddie Snowden exposes the intellectually honest guys like Greenwald from the intellectually dishonest trash like O'Donnell, Axelrod, Rove, and Cheney who entirely agree on the police state and only disagree on who is a more righteous sheriff a clueless elitist snob like Bush or a clueless elitist snob like Barry.

33 posted on 06/15/2013 2:14:25 AM PDT by metafugitive
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To: chessplayer
Loretta Sanchez: "...it's the tip of the iceberg . . . . I think it's just broader than most people even realize..."

It's a scandalanche!

Frightening stuff.

34 posted on 06/15/2013 2:26:30 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: truth_seeker
Snowden is a traitor. He violated his security clearance, betrayed his nation’s Signal’s Intelligence methods and sources.

Your government has broken its most basic compact with you. They have betrayed you, and every other American. This man has revealed their treasonous malfeasance to you and the world.

By definition, that is not treason, but patriotism of the highest order.

35 posted on 06/15/2013 2:37:30 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
This man has revealed their treasonous malfeasance to you and the world.

BULLSQUAT! Patriots don't slither off to China!

36 posted on 06/15/2013 2:40:18 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
BULLSQUAT! Patriots don't slither off to China!

What would you have him do? Stand in the public square and wait for a sniper's head shot?

Self preservation is instinctive. The guy ran, like any normal human being would, knowing that assassins and jack booted thugs would be coming for him.

And they are.

37 posted on 06/15/2013 2:47:58 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
What would you have him do?

I sure as hell would not slither off to China. Patriots aren't cowards and thieves.

<>i> The guy ran, like any normal human being would

No, what he did was premeditated and he ran like a gutless coward.

38 posted on 06/15/2013 2:52:44 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
what he did was premeditated and he ran like a gutless coward.

Why are you being such a hard ass about this? Do you not appreciate that this man has forfeited his life for doing what he did?

He's a dead man walking now. He knew that he would be, when he decided to rat out the evil bastards who are doing this to us. Good Lord man, it took industrial grade guts to do what he did. That's not cowardice in any way, shape, or form.

39 posted on 06/15/2013 3:02:12 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Why are you being such a hard ass about this?

First off, Snowden is a thief and liar. He's a narcissist and gutless coward.

He's a dead man walking now.

Why? Bradley Manning and Julian Assange, two other useless scumbags, are still wasting oxygen, aren't they?

40 posted on 06/15/2013 3:07:23 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
First off, Snowden is a thief and liar. He's a narcissist and gutless coward.

Enough. You're not even making sense now. Bye.

41 posted on 06/15/2013 3:36:08 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: sneakers

bump


42 posted on 06/15/2013 3:44:01 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: chessplayer

Ping


43 posted on 06/15/2013 4:10:16 AM PDT by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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To: truth_seeker
Snowden is a traitor. He violated his security clearance, betrayed his nation’s Signal’s Intelligence methods and sources.

Not nearly as much a traitor as those he exposes. The only real "secrets" he divulged was the scope of the data mining/collection that involved all of us citizens - it was no secret that we were using the methods on the enemy. His Nation is in the habit of betraying the People and he did us a service.

44 posted on 06/15/2013 4:28:41 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: chessplayer

Excellent article and eye opening comments from a country with more video surveillance capacity than just about anywhere except casinos. George Orwell pegged it and I don’t think the toothpaste can be put back in the tube.


45 posted on 06/15/2013 4:36:10 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: chessplayer

Greenwald previously wrote a good Guardian piece about the creepy Sully: “Andrew Sullivan, terrorism, and the art of distortion”


46 posted on 06/15/2013 4:58:41 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: MestaMachine; TigersEye; penelopesire; ConservativeMan55; AllAmericanGirl44; Nachum; Jet Jaguar; ...

Sorry I have been very busy the last three weeks and unable to post much.

I want to open up the subject that has been sticking in my mind for a few weeks. Did Prism hack Romney’s get out the vote software ORCA. If so it would be bigger than all of these stories.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/08/Orca-How-the-Romney-Campaign-Suppressed-Its-Own-Vote

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/08/did-romney-campaigns-project-orca-sink-gop-turnout-users-claim-an-epic-fiasco/

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/9/3624636/killer-fail-how-romneys-broken-orca-app-cost-him-thousands-of-votes

http://www.examiner.com/article/anonymous-claims-to-have-affected-u-s-elections-through-hacking-gop-s-orca


47 posted on 06/15/2013 5:00:25 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: chessplayer

-——From their workstations anywhere in the world, government employees cleared for Prism access may ‘task’ the system and receive results from an Internet company without further interaction with the company’s staff”).-——

Tim McGee and Abby Schuto are depicted accessing the data every week


48 posted on 06/15/2013 5:13:56 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: crosslink

Hmmmm......good question!


49 posted on 06/15/2013 5:20:46 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: penelopesire

I sent this off to a few friends we will see if it pops up in the press. I am having problems digging up old articles.


50 posted on 06/15/2013 5:28:03 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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