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Boy Scouts’ decision on gays tests loyalty of members
The Washington Times ^ | 6/9/2013 | Annie Z. Yu

Posted on 06/10/2013 3:30:15 AM PDT by markomalley

For Dennis Ebersole, the fallout from the Boy Scouts of America's decision to change a century of policy and allow openly gay Scouts to participate wasn't long in coming.

"Within 12 hours of the announcement that the membership standards resolution had passed, I was contacted by five other members in my pack leadership committee, questioning whether they were going to continue Scouting," said Mr. Ebersole, a den leader with Cub Scout Pack 282 in South Riding, Va.

The reaction was equally quick for Gary Hiden, an assistant scoutmaster of Troop 268 in New Market, Md., who has been involved with the Boy Scouts of America his whole life. He was a Boy Scout, and his mother served as a den mother and his father as a scoutmaster. Now, both his sons are Scouts. But the family plans to quit the Boy Scouts once the new policy takes effect Jan. 1.

"I'm very sad, because it's a part of me and a part of my family. We have so much invested in Boy Scouting," Mr. Hiden said. "But we don't believe that the new policy is consistent with our beliefs."

Mr. Hiden's troop is chartered by a Lutheran church, and he identifies himself as a Christian. He said his elder son, who is 15, is just shy of becoming an Eagle. "Hopefully, he'll be able to be an Eagle Scout by Jan. 1," he said — before the policy comes into force.

The dust is settling two weeks after the Boy Scouts of America's national council adopted the policy accepting openly gay Scouts but retaining a ban on gay adult Scout leaders.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; deceit; homosexualagenda; scouts
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1 posted on 06/10/2013 3:30:15 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

It’ll be open season on any young man wearing a Boy Scout uniform from now on. Talk about an invitation for bullying. Gay or not, Boy Scouts will never be anything but gay.


2 posted on 06/10/2013 3:40:44 AM PDT by albie
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To: markomalley
Boy Scouts’ decision on gays tests loyalty of members

That's funny, I thought the vote itself was a test of loyalty of leadership, current members, or corporate sponsors and good press? The leadership decided against the membership.
3 posted on 06/10/2013 3:47:30 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: markomalley

It doesn’t test anything except the stupidity and gullibility of the American people.

And they’ve flunked the test.

Sorry, that one’s over.


4 posted on 06/10/2013 4:16:09 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: markomalley

BSA lost me and the Boy Scouts were HUGE in my life as a young man... never again.

LLS


5 posted on 06/10/2013 4:35:06 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: markomalley

It won’t be a problem if all the current leaders quit. There will be plenty of homosexual men to replace them. That will give the scout bigwigs what they wanted.


6 posted on 06/10/2013 4:36:16 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: markomalley

I withdrew my grandson the next meeting after the announcement, as did a dozen others. The Scout leader for the troop is still trying to decide what to do. He is a good Christian man and the troop is affiliated with a local church. They still like the IDEA of Scouts. I think some are hoping it won’t really change.


7 posted on 06/10/2013 4:46:25 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: markomalley
decision on gays tests loyalty of members

B.S.
Loyalty is a two-way street. The leadership failed their loyalty test.

8 posted on 06/10/2013 4:50:10 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: markomalley
IOW what they are really asking is who are you loyal too? The BSA’s new pro-gay agenda or GOD’s WORD?
9 posted on 06/10/2013 4:53:24 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: grobdriver

Exactly. The loyalty of the membership in Scouting creed never changed. The failure of loyalty rests solely on the shoulders of the “leaders.”


10 posted on 06/10/2013 4:56:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: markomalley

WTF were they thinking when they sold out?

The result was predictable enough——were they actually trying to destroy the scouts?


11 posted on 06/10/2013 4:57:36 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Homosexuals maybe thought they needed their own org but they wanted the cachet of being THE Boy Scouts. So now they have the first part of that. The rest will come soon enough.


12 posted on 06/10/2013 5:03:48 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: markomalley
By the end of next year there will be 2 separate “Boy Scout” groups. The current one that is overrun and run by homosexuals and a new one formed by parents children, church's and other that will reflect the ideals and principles that the original Boy Scouts once had.
13 posted on 06/10/2013 5:04:22 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Venturer

Yes. Anything that is America, apple pie and Mother needs to be destroyed for this Admin to be able to completely destroy the country. Truth, justice and the American Way are on their way out.


14 posted on 06/10/2013 5:08:15 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Dr. Sivana
thank you...
15 posted on 06/10/2013 5:08:16 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: albie

I don’t think so.

There are no 7 year old queers. there are no 11 year old queers. there are no 13 year old queers.

Almost no boys join scouts after 13.

The problem will not be queers in scouts except for isolated and misguided activists searching for headlines.

Those leaving scouts are foolish. They should be brave and courageous and withstand the on slought.


16 posted on 06/10/2013 5:10:29 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: cva66snipe

Critics of the Scouts are now decrying that gays are kicked out at 18 but atheists are gone immediately.
They received a major concession and are still crying.
Which is why the Scouts shouldn’t have given in at all.


17 posted on 06/10/2013 5:12:44 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: markomalley

I was once a Boy Scout and believed in what I was taught...and still do.

If I were a grandfather I would urge my grandchildren to take their boys out of the program.

It seems to me that there will be two waves of reaction: 1) what is going on now and 2) what will happen once the second part is adopted, i.e., gay men as scoutmasters. And you just know that’s in the works.


18 posted on 06/10/2013 5:13:04 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: markomalley
The gays got what they wanted. BSA leadership failed their own Eagle Scout test, setting a terrible example for the kids.

Now, participation will drindle into nothing. Will any openly gays actually join? Probably verry, very few. But that was never the goal, was it? The goal was to bring BSA down.

Just like the Republican Party needs to be replaced, so does BSA. The real Boy Scouts and the real Republicans, those who want to live by their principles, must regroup and reestablish themselves.

19 posted on 06/10/2013 5:14:33 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Second American Revolution)
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To: markomalley

One bit of error in these scouts’ thinking - the new policy is already de facto in force NOW.

Don’t wait until Jan 1 to separate yourselves from the abomination. Do it NOW!


20 posted on 06/10/2013 5:14:45 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: markomalley

Boy Scout Oath

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law...

= = =

For the Boy Scouts to accept “openly gay” members means that they are to accept homosexual behavior. This is incompatable with “To do my duty to God”.

One cannot remain a scout and fight the recent change from within, because then one wouldn’t “obey the Scout Law”.

Recitation of the Boy Scout oath now makes one a hypocrite.


21 posted on 06/10/2013 5:16:46 AM PDT by kidd
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To: bert
There are no 7 year old queers. there are no 11 year old queers. there are no 13 year old queers.

Absolutely. The policy change is about removing "morally pure" from the scout's creed.

22 posted on 06/10/2013 5:21:12 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: markomalley

Here is how we are dealing with it at the moment. My son is Life and won’t be Eagle probably until after January. The actual wording of the policy change simply says, “No one will be excluded on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.”

Well, we have never excluded anyone from our Christian troop as long as they understand that they will abide by our rules, be a part of our devotionals and abide by our Christian teaching.

Our troop’s line in the sand will come when they figure out how to implement and enforce this policy. If the mandate comes down from the BSA that we have to compromise our troop’s language, teaching, or any of our principles, then our troop will sever our ties with BSA.

We have contacted the Chickasaw council and asked them to clarify how this policy will actually work. They don’t know. They said they will get back to us.

We know it is a slippery slope and we are keeping an eye on how this plays out.


23 posted on 06/10/2013 5:29:18 AM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: Louis Foxwell

The oath is “I will keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.”

The key word is myself.

It does not say I must meddle in the affairs of others and keep them morally straight.


24 posted on 06/10/2013 5:38:12 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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25 posted on 06/10/2013 5:38:24 AM PDT by narses
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To: Drawsing
The policy will work by remaining unclear until someone or some group can sue the BSA over it not being implemented and get very large part of the corporate sponsorship money BSA was so afraid of losing.

In addition to receiving a tidy sum of cash for their cause, they'll write implementation rules the BSA will be forced to adopt as part of the settlement. Then you'll have a detailed implementation and enforcement plan along with what rules and devotionals will have to change.

26 posted on 06/10/2013 5:54:32 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: markomalley

I am loyal to God, loyal to the Constitution of the United States, loyal to my wife and my family, and loyal to the traditional values of BSA. When it comes to a loyalty test, I will pass. As for loyalty to today’s BSA as they betray their Oath or loyalty to our current government as it betrays the Constitution, I don’t see loyalty to evil as positive.


27 posted on 06/10/2013 5:56:26 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“There are no 7 year old queers. there are no 11 year old queers. there are no 13 year old queers.”

May I note there are many queers ready to take over the vacated Scoutmaster jobs who have plans to prove your premise wrong.

Perversion, like evil iotself, never sleeps.

‘Specially not when in a tent with boys out in the woods.

Please forgive my lack of charity, but my gag reflex is rebelling and commanding my fingers.


28 posted on 06/10/2013 6:21:11 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: bert

There are homo couples out there raising confused children right now what for the chance to infiltrate any organization that furthers their agenda.


29 posted on 06/10/2013 6:34:12 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: markomalley
"...while top officials at the Assemblies of God denomination are predicting a “mass exodus” from Scouting and have formed Royal Rangers, a group for boys “that operates with values consistent to that of the BSA prior to today’s change.”

This reporter needs to do more research. Royal Rangers has been around more than 50 years - it was not formed in response to this latest issue with the BSA.

30 posted on 06/10/2013 7:02:34 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: narses

If you stay in scouts, you are a member of an organization that endorses sin.


31 posted on 06/10/2013 7:06:27 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: albie
Gay or not, Boy Scouts will never be anything but gay.

I little leavening affects the whole loaf.

Someone on here posed the question: what do you get when you add a spoonful of sewage to a barrel of pure water?

A barrel of sewage.

32 posted on 06/10/2013 7:07:12 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: kidd

A quote from my son-
“ The only way for me to follow the intent of the Scout Oath and Law is to no longer be a Scout”


33 posted on 06/10/2013 7:20:55 AM PDT by lost in the snow (One PO'ed Scout Master and Proud of the HIGH moral ground)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

I agree with you.

That said, the battle for assets should be on everyone’s mind.

If there is to be a break-off from the parent group, dedicate a not insignificant portion of thought, to breaking off a proportional portion of the assets of the national group as well.

Do not let the gays keep the parent organization, and the assets nationally.

They can keep part, but they are a minority of the national view.

They should keep a minority of the national assets.


34 posted on 06/10/2013 7:27:46 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: LibLieSlayer

Can’t the leadership be gotten rid of (oops, I mean voluntarily resign) and the decision reversed? That would seem to be a far better outcome.

HF


35 posted on 06/10/2013 7:35:00 AM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I know Chicken Little told you otherwise, but the sky is not falling


36 posted on 06/10/2013 7:44:34 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: bert
You are correct about "There are no 7 year old queers. there are no 11 year old queers. there are no 13 year old queers.

Almost no boys join scouts after 13."

It has been more than a quarter century since I served in a Boy Scout leadership position. We never asked about a boy's sexual orientation beyond stressing the "morally straight" part of the scout oath.

All during my years of service, I had exactly one boy ever approach me about the homo issue-- most likely just to gauge my reaction. I told him that, from a health viewpoint, he would be better off taking up swimming in sewage treatment ponds than embracing that lifestyle. He seemed genuinely grossed out and never brought up the topic again.

THe point, I guess, is that there is no way I can see any Boy Scout having to declare themselves as "openly homosexual" and still being able to live the "morally straight" requirement of the Scout Oath.

37 posted on 06/10/2013 7:58:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: holden

That would be nice, in a dream world....


38 posted on 06/10/2013 8:01:25 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: bert; All

Issues of sexuality are already being discussed by adult leader to youth in scouting as a result of this vote. John

Stemberger, founder of On My Honor,said that this new
policy would result in issues of sexuality being discussed with the boys.

He said, and I quote-
“The Resolution robs parents of the sole authority to raise issues of sex and sexuality with their kids. Parents should have the exclusive right to raise issues about sex and sexuality with their children in their own time and in their own way, in the privacy of their homes...Allowing open homosexuality would inject a sensitive and highly charged political issue into the heart of the BSA , against the wishes of the vast majority of parents.”

My son was already asked during a board of review last week about his personal views about his religious beliefs and homosexuality. This was totally inappropriate and out of line. Adults in scouting should not be discussing sexual issues with the boys. Stembergers’ prediction was right on.


39 posted on 06/10/2013 8:01:25 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: lastmomstanding

What rank was the board of view for?

The question of belief for religion is routine for Eagle

A Scout is reverend


40 posted on 06/10/2013 8:04:21 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: Vigilanteman

I agree.

“hey queer...... get some firewood”

Boys are not PC out of earshot


41 posted on 06/10/2013 8:05:56 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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The Old Boy Scouts embodied much that was wholesome and good about America. The liberals HAD to destroy it. They have been successful. No relative of ours will remain in the Scouts. No one of the succeeding generation will ever join. Leadership matters. When push came to shove, the Scouts’ national leadership was infected by base cowardice. An appalling vista.


42 posted on 06/10/2013 8:19:55 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: bert

It was for Life rank. Yes, they are allowed to ask about how the scout lives out being reverent. They are allowed to ask about how the scout fulfills his “duty to God.” They are not allowed to ask if God created gays.


43 posted on 06/10/2013 8:22:00 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: markomalley

The BSA leadership remands me of the GOP leadership -spineless...


44 posted on 06/10/2013 8:24:54 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: bert
It does not say I must meddle in the affairs of others and keep them morally straight.

You are still promoting it huh? Different tact? LOL!!!!

45 posted on 06/10/2013 8:26:52 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: grobdriver
Loyalty is a two-way street. The leadership failed their loyalty test.

My first thought exactly.
The money changers in charge of the Boy Scouts are the ones who showed disloyalty.

46 posted on 06/10/2013 8:32:15 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bert
Those leaving scouts are foolish. They should be brave and courageous and withstand the on slought (sic).

Tell you what. I'll consider supporting the Scouts when and if the Nation Council or even the local Utah Council revokes the commission of the Scout unit and membership of offenders that marched in the Salt Lake "gay pride" parade last week in defiance of an order.

But I won't hold my breath.

47 posted on 06/10/2013 9:07:37 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: DBeers

Let’s be clear. No twisted words toreinforce your bias.

I’m promoting Scouting, BSA. I will continue to do so.

One thing you learn from years and years on Free Republic. Conservatives cut and run at the least possible threat to their beliefs


48 posted on 06/10/2013 9:23:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: bert
Conservatives cut and run at the least possible threat to their beliefs

I think you confuse politics with parenting. Leftists sacrifice children for their causes -especially other peoples children. Conservatives do not. The noble cause that you pursue (HOPING to influence the BSA from within) does not justify the evil means (placing children in harms way) This is an ADULT battle with EVIL.

49 posted on 06/10/2013 9:44:00 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: bert

If you are not conservative, Bert, then why do you post here? Just to stir up trouble?


50 posted on 06/10/2013 9:51:56 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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