Posted on 06/04/2013 8:34:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Exactly...as are all the other agendas they are pushing on our kids.
Least we forget they are doing so because the push back is not strong enough......too many Christians are not IN the war...they are spectators of it. It's 'easy' grabbing to go after our children when we have a nation who no longer protects them.
<....”However, the policy is to not condone ANY inappropriate sexual behavior/misbehavior, whether it be hetero or homo in nature”....>
That is just another way of ‘silencing the debate’...and when you silence the debate “truth” is never heard.
We are not ignorant of the enemies devises.
The new policy, which I have stated I think is a bad policy, is essentially a “don't ask, don't tell” policy. If a scout makes his gay lifestyle an issue in a troop, the troop has grounds to dismiss him same as if a boy scout harasses a girl venture scout. If all the scouts are respectful of each other, which would be in accordance with God's law, and no condoning of inappropriate behavior takes place, then the mission of service is arguably intact.
I think the real problem is that this was, as many have said, the Camels nose under the tent, and will lead to many legal problems down the road, as well as turning off good parents/volunteers either due to legal/liability concerns or because they believe they can not support the scouts anymore.
I have a daughter in Venture Scouts, I am taking her along with her crew to Philmont in a few weeks. As much as I disagree with the BSA’s new policy, I am not going to walk away from the opportunity to share that memory with my daughter.
FRegards,
“When did it become acceptable to encourage or at best just stand by without uttering a word of disagreement when it comes to children engaging in sexual activity ESPECIALLY self destructive and intrinsically disordered sexual activity that comprises homosexual sex?”
I don’t remember posting anything that even comes close to what you say here. Uttering a word of disagreement is not what I was objecting to. I object to the complete shunning of anything homosexual by the church simply because it is homosexual. I absolutely disagree with kids having sex of any kind.
“This push into the BSA is all about imposing acceptance of evil upon children.”
All the more reason for them to have a Christian influence in their lives - to combat the lies they are being told by the gay-pride deceivers who tell them that the only way to feel better about yourself is to give in (or actually dive iin) to the temptation.
So all sinners are accepted into your church -except- those who have a mental disorder that causes them to lust after their own sex?
It IS a mental disorder. I have known a few homosexuals in my lifetime. They do NOT choose to be gay! That doesn’t mean there is a gay gene or that it should be accepted as normal. Some people have bi-polar disorder. Did they choose it? Of course not! Should the church ban all people who have a mental illness? NO!!!!!! We should help them!!!!! It is not helpful to tell them that they are on their own and that Jesus loves everybody except them.
I understand your position....but you realize the outing you share with your daughter now will later on be joined by those who will have sexual attraction for her...in what was once a “safe” area for girls to be girls.
My concerns for the future of scouting are many, yes. I will fight the good fight wherever I can.
At this point, there is no excuse for ignorance about the great evil of the homosexual agenda; really no excuse. A few bits of evidence:
1. “Sensititivity (ie forced acceptance and glorification) of the fag life in the military, public schools, universities, and ALL fedgov agencies.
2. Homo marriage in more states
3. Homo adoption and fostering of children - to the very great detriment of the children, this is not even up for discussion, it is fact. In CA couples wanting to become foster parents must attend weeks of “sensitivity” training and must vow to allow the foster children to act “gay” if they want to.
4. Homosexuals in the military and the increase in men raping men; loss of morale, women hitting on women and so on.
5. Repression of free speech via hate speech laws, or how about this - making it illegal (as in CA) for parents to take their minor child to a counsellor to help the child straighten out from thinging they are “gay” - or for a counsellor to offer such services!
6. Recruting children via GLSEN clubs, open homosexual teachers and counsellors, homosexual content in classes, and other mechanisms in public schools.
7. Respression of religious expression - for instance, being able to speak one’s mind in public due to religious convinction, being forced to submit to “Gay Days” and other revolting displays ad infinitum (example - Firefighters being forced, in San Diego, to ride in the city’s “Gay Pride” parade), or in the workplace - bakers being forced one way or another (usually by lawsuit) to bake wedding cakes for homos. There are millions of other examples.
8. Repression of freedom of association - people being forced to rent rooms in bed and breakfasts to homosexuals, or rooms in their houses, or apartments they own.
The homosexual agenda is about tyranny, nothing less.
If a scout makes his gay lifestyle an issue in a troop, the troop has grounds to dismiss him same as if a boy scout harasses a girl venture scout.
Are you sure about this? Could you cite a reference?
As I mentioned...as long as some see homosexual behavior as a mental disorder it is not helpful to the individual who has a choice what he does with his body.
I did not say they should be on their own...nobody said that...so don’t put words there which were not stated..I said they need to get ‘professional’ help with those who can do so.
However, many times God often does his greatest work in men when they are on their own...it is not a bad thing to be on ones own....often it brings an individual to a point they recognize they need help.
Try this logic on for size. When a ten year old child walks into the BSA with a heterosexual label on their forehead it means they are physically a male or a female -the label is not subjectively chosen and declared -it is a fact of nature. Heterosexual is a scientific term that describes how a species procreates. Young males (boys) become members of the BSA.
NOW, When a ten year old child walks into the BSA with a homosexual label on their forehead it means they prefer to engage in homosexual sex -the label is subjectively chosen and declared -it is a state of mind. Homosexual is a fabricated term with no basis in science that describes how an individual sexually recreates.
The ONLY differentiator between the self declared homosexual and the self evident heterosexual is the SEX.
So, tell me again how accepting the sex label and having those that disagree with it effectively muzzled and not able to disagree with it has nothing to do with condoning the sex?
There are no 'gay' beings. For that matter a child that is not sexually active can no way in hell declare that they prefer homosexual sex.
Accepting homosexuals in the BSA not only is evil because it subjects those not affected to the evil but as well because it 'cements' the condition in youth already led astray. The BSA in effect is sacrificing youth to the devil.
I object to the complete shunning of anything homosexual by the church simply because it is homosexual.
Are “gay” pastors okay with you? “Gay” priests, bishops, reverends, counselors? How about homosexual groups within churches like the Rainbow Sash wearers? How about homosexual marriage in churhces?
Do you think people giving sermons and homilies in churhces should denounce homosexual behavior, be neutral about it, or say that it’s okay?
Not here to argue. See my post 63.
I think people who have enjoyed seeing their children in the Scouts are going to need a bit of time to adjust...it’s quite a blow...also the leaders who have enjoyed their mission with these children....but it will change now...the “policy” clearly goes against God’s will..and when the enemy is “Given” a foothold he will take it all the way to destruction of some and injury to others.
So I think people saying that BSA is now condoning gay lifestyle is incorrect, or an overstatement. I
How can you possibly say that with a straight face?
If a boy who thinks he is “gay” became a Boy Scout in the past, he would just keep it to himself. With this policy, any such boys are free to be “out” as much as they want - otherwise how would anyone even know? And you are aware that already there are complaints and agitation that homosexual Boy Scout Leaders are not allowed - that will fall very soon, mark my words.
People need to wise up. Ignorance of Natural Law is no excuse.
...”it subjects those not affected to the evil but as well because it ‘cements’ the condition in youth already led astray”....
Very true..but some parents will think they can straddle the fence and in time will fall to one side or the other.
Sad, and heartbreaking we are sacrificing our nations children over sexual issues that should have never been accepted or tolerated in the first place...now we see the fallout......
Homosexuality is a mental illness and a proneness towards perversion, which is more than just a mental illness; it is an attraction to a great evil. Those who act on their inclinations are also immoral, sinful and behave in a life killing destructive manner.
And they recruit the young, this is undeniable.
Jeremiah...wising up isn’t going to happen for most...they want their cake and eat it too...believing living along side this perversion is somehow not going to affect them or their children......one look at where our nation is now, where everything is about sexual issues...should but won’t wise anyone up.
There are so many perverted agendas out there today..and more to come....makes you wonder why people can’t ‘get’ the push and central agenda of it all...and worse somehow believe they won’t be affected.
DBeers, this person is a troll. 2003 signup date, and ALL his comments on FR are from today, on this thread and another thread about homosexuality, (besides one comment from 2003)!
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