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Churches move to cut ties to Scouts after gay policy change
Washington Post ^ | 06/04/2013 | Bob Smietana

Posted on 06/04/2013 8:34:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

For the Rev. Ernest Easley, the decision to cut ties with the Boy Scouts was simple.

The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Boy Scouts do not.

“We are not willing to compromise God’s word,” said Easley, pastor of the 2,300-member Roswell Street Baptist Church in Marietta, Ga., which has sponsored Boy Scout Troop 204 since 1945.

Easley, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention’s executive committee, said his church will shut down its troop at end of the year because of a recently adopted policy to allow openly gay scouts. He’s urging other Baptists to do the same.

Roswell Street is one of the first churches to cut ties with the Scouts over the new policy. Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, a 23,000-member megachurch, has also announced plans to shut down its troop. Other critics of the new policy, which doesn’t take effect until January 2014, are taking a wait-and-see approach.

The Southern Baptist Convention, whose 3,981 Scout troops make it the BSA’s sixth-largest religious sponsor, plans to address the issue at its annual meeting in Houston, June 11-12. About 70 percent of Scout troops are chartered by a faith-based group.

Deron Smith, a spokesman for the Boy Scouts, said the organization will help troops that have lost their church sponsors to find new homes. He said the new policy fits the beliefs of most religious groups that sponsor troops.

“This policy reaffirms that doing one’s ‘duty to God’ is absolutely explicit and one of the fundamental principles of Scouting and states that sexual conduct by any Scout, heterosexual or homosexual, is contrary to the virtues of Scouting,” he said in an e-mail.

The Scouts’ two largest religious sponsors, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the United Methodist Church, both said they intend to remain involved

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1 posted on 06/04/2013 8:34:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
"The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Boy Scouts do not."

Actually, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is a sin.

2 posted on 06/04/2013 8:36:17 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

What happened to “love the sinner, hate the sin?” I fear this decoupling will only hasten the fall.


3 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:06 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: circlecity
Actually, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is a sin.

In this context, I think that what the author contends is homosexuality and its endorsement. Also championing and celebrating homosexual behavior, even if you are celibate, is most definitely a sin.

4 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:38 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: circlecity

You are correct suh!

Plus the BSA actually left the churches They ignored the Ned’s of the church certainly not th other way around


5 posted on 06/04/2013 8:41:25 AM PDT by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind

Mine is, and I hope they all cut ties.


6 posted on 06/04/2013 8:41:40 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: NonValueAdded

Shunning those determined to commit sin and who are promoting it as a worthy behavior is the right thing to do.


7 posted on 06/04/2013 8:41:48 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: NonValueAdded

“What happened to “love the sinner, hate the sin?””

Do you propose a different course of action?


8 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:04 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: fwdude
"In this context, I think that what the author contends is homosexuality and its endorsement. Also championing and celebrating homosexual behavior, even if you are celibate, is most definitely a sin."

I don't disagree. It was just a poor choice of words. I'm quite sure there are Christians with homosexual tendencies who fight Satan every day to repress these urges and live a Godly life. And I respect them very much - "well done true and faithful servant!"

9 posted on 06/04/2013 8:47:32 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s just too bad that the leadership within the scouts has devolved into this mess. Maybe instead of punishing the kids by disbanding and defunding the troops, maybe we should work to throw out the malevolent deviant homosexual perverts in the leadership positions within the oranization. Somebody made these decisions, against everything the scouts stand for, they need to be singled out, and told in no certain terms that they have no future in the scouts, and they either leave, or get thrown out. Oh, and I would like to see an axe grinding badge added.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 8:48:46 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: circlecity
With this subject, there is a wider range of definitions than with just about any other current issue. "Homosexual." "Gay." "Same-sex attracted." What do they all mean?

They are all the same in one overall general context, with shades of significant differences. I see "gay" as a charged political term. IMO, You can be homosexual (suffer from same-sex attraction) without being "gay," which is charged with implications of affirmation, indulgence and participation in this lifestyle.

11 posted on 06/04/2013 8:51:38 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The enemy of men's souls has always used homosexuality and sexual perversion to destroy nations, societies, relationships and the family.

It was sexual perversion that destroyed the Roman empire and it's certainly doing so in the US. Life is all about relationships....ruin, split, divide and injure those and you're fast going down the road of destroying the nation in whole.

Additionally...pedophilia is certainly on the heels of homosexuality...and bestiality not far from that.

The barbarians are here and active....seen and heard now in full view of the audiance....leaving a trail of destruction in their path.

12 posted on 06/04/2013 8:51:43 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

The Mormons I don’t care about, but it saddens me that the Methodist Church has taken the road it has taken over the last 15 years with its bogus open hearts open minds mantra. The national convention has sold the church’s soul right out from underneath the smaller more conservative local churches that are tied to the national convention by tithes.

I know many Methodist’s from my small home town where the younger ones have gone to the SBC church and the older ones basically just too old and sad to leave a church they have been in for 50+ years. The small town church I went to with my wife, between my Baptist churches, went from a healthy membership of over 200+ on any Sunday to maybe 15-20 on a Sunday now.


13 posted on 06/04/2013 8:52:18 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

At least some churches are holding to biblical laws. Given the current political climate the best they can do is follow St. Paul’s advice-”...come out from among them.”


14 posted on 06/04/2013 8:54:43 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: little jeremiah

Admonishing the sinner is thee appropriate action in certain well established churches That’s and loving but correcting. Not shunning.


15 posted on 06/04/2013 8:55:56 AM PDT by stanne
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To: factoryrat
Maybe instead of punishing the kids by disbanding and defunding the troops, maybe we should work to throw out the malevolent deviant homosexual perverts in the leadership positions within the oranization.

First, there is no intent to "punish the kids" involve with scouting by withdrawing support. If anything, it is the motivation to PROTECT them that is in play here.

Yes, I think every traditional scout and scout unit, whether supportive or not, agrees that the upper leadership officials are the culprits and should be absolutely kicked to the curb. There is no argument about this. The decision to be made is how this is to be done. With the Mormon Church complicit in this decision (the head honcho of the Scouts is Mormon and is "pro-gay"), simply kicking them out seems to be extremely unlikely. The better strategy is to crash and burn the organization as quickly and thoroughly as possible so that principled scouting leaders can reclaim the failed organization.

16 posted on 06/04/2013 8:58:36 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: NonValueAdded

.....”What happened to “love the sinner, hate the sin?”....

Since God “gave them over” for their refusal to acknowledge Him and His will...I see no reason for me to take on a “coined phrase” ,intitiated by men , to seperate the sin from the sinner.

Homosexuality sin begins “within” a man....he ‘chooses’ to follow his lust and deny God’s will, which HE KNOWS....and by doing so also knows the price is estrangement from others.

The ONLY way for them to stop that estrangement is to demand the “attention” we see them seek now. By tolerating and giving them this attention we have stepped into what might have otherwise been God’s dealing with them “In the closet”.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 8:59:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind
The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Boy Scouts do not

We can thank Boys Scout leaders who are liberal, those easily intimidated and the mormons. Had the mormon’s prophet not changed their stand on homosexuality (for political purposes) this would never had happened. I'm glad my God doesn't change. They don't see that their beliefs are changed by mere men who many times do it for political reasons.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/lds-church-accepts-new-boy-scout-policy-on-gay-members-96596/

18 posted on 06/04/2013 9:00:37 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: NonValueAdded

“Love the sinner, hate the sin,” is found nowhere in the Bible. It is the invention wishful thinking men.

Psalm 5:5 plainly states that God hates all workers of iniquity. I Corinthians 6:9,10 and Revelation 21:8 teach us that unrighteous people will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Thank God for jesus, who covers our sinfulness with his righteousness, so God can give those who believe in Jesus the crown of eternal life in heaven.


19 posted on 06/04/2013 9:01:49 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind
he Scouts’ two largest religious sponsors, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the United Methodist Church, both said they intend to remain involved

Of course they will. The Mormon "church" isn't Christian, and the United Methodist Church has for the most part become so liberal and unbiblical that it can no longer be considered an authentic, bible-believing Christian denomination. My Godly Methodist grandparents who passed on to Heaven in the '50s would leave the current UMC in a heartbeat if they were still living here on this sin-cursed ball of dirt.

20 posted on 06/04/2013 9:02:59 AM PDT by epow
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To: stanne

A lot of people are arguing for the ‘compassionate’ route. I would argue that this is more of the situation instructed through Luke 9:5 - if your instruction is rejected, then leave and ‘shake the dust from your dust as a testimony against them.’

The Boy Scouts had been in line with Biblical teachings. This change is a rejection of that. Therefore, the proper course of action is to demonstrate that their action is wrong by parting ways.

Had the reverse been true - a gay-supporting organization that was willing to consider another path, then the answer would be different. But the evidence actually suggests that this new policy is actually a first step, and that the intent is to go even further later. So yes, I agree: separate.


21 posted on 06/04/2013 9:03:57 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: fwdude
<....”The better strategy is to crash and burn the organization as quickly and thoroughly as possible so that principled scouting leaders can reclaim the failed organization”....>

At another time I might consider that working...but what I expect to see is just exactly what we see throughout our country in all areas...A DIVIDE...two sides at war with one another.

I suspect there will be government sponsorship (rescue) of the Boy Scouts in time...and the other favorable groups formed will have to wing it alone.

22 posted on 06/04/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

That’s why it has to be QUICK and THOROUGH. Otherwise, a languishing BSA leadership will have time to appeal to the government and other public relations groups.


23 posted on 06/04/2013 9:05:46 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: MichaelCorleone
Do you propose a different course of action?

Yes, I do. The church should stay engaged in Scouting, recognizing the good things in the program far outweigh the bad from this decision. Why cede the ground to the activists and help them make their victory complete?

24 posted on 06/04/2013 9:06:43 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: alancarp

That’s exactly what I said. BSA left the church It shouldn’t have to put up with approval of homosexual behavior


25 posted on 06/04/2013 9:08:39 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Resolute Conservative
The Methodists as with Lutherans, Ctholics and others are highly infiltrated by left leaning individuals...it only takes one bad apple....but along with the country, the church is being invaded with the “hordes”.

The gathering of “believers” is the church....we've let the hoards IN rather than “go out of the church” on the mission we are sent to do.

Because of this there are many ‘unbelievers’ within the church..and they will affect and infect the whole when there numbers are large enough to do so.

26 posted on 06/04/2013 9:11:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: epow

I have family members who left the Luthern church as the one they were attending began supporting that which it should not...

I have no doubt true believers will be eventually going underground because they will not be tolerated in the direction our nation and it’s governance is going....and the churches are fast being invaded with undesirables who seek to “change” the church to something it is not and was never met to be.


27 posted on 06/04/2013 9:17:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: Cheerio

Not all churches are equally motivated to cut ties with the “Boi Scoots”. Those churches, or at least part of their membership, fully agree with the agenda being presented, and in fact, are eagerly looking forward to the time when openly gay leaders may be accepted.

There will still be morally straight, God-fearing, and honest youths enrolled in some sort of life preparedness programs that teach basic skills to survive in less than optimal conditions, and hold up a light for others to follow.

But it won’t be called “Boy Scouts of America”.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 9:21:46 AM PDT by alloysteel (If you want to see the true measure of a man, watch how he treats his inferiors, not his equals.)
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To: fwdude

If the attempt is made you can be sure the “groups” under the control of the enemy will surely contest...and they have the cash to do so.

These groups are already active and assisted in bringing about this “change” in the Boy Scouts.

I think we too easily forget that “deception” is the rule to attaining a foothold..... This has been going on for sometime now in the Boy Scouts. Once it began to generate millions and was nationwide it became ‘a target of revenue’ to those watching.

Same within the Catholic Church...it’s not only about “practicing in the safety of the church” but about the revenues the Catholic Church has.....and is also why the Mormons “use” the Boy Scouts.


29 posted on 06/04/2013 9:24:52 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

The Boy Scouts held out for quite a long time, but the commies and liberals prevailed.
I’m not abandoning them because they are being coerced into their current situation. Maybe they could make a stand again if given enough backing.


30 posted on 06/04/2013 9:27:45 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Well clearly the Scouts have already been taken over....I would not have my child in this group now...God didn’t call us to sacrifice the well-being of our children for the sake of “some” good things...but to “come away” when the war is lost.....the battle to keep out homosexuals has been lost. The decision made.

Now people have to do the responsible thing and remove their children from that influence..and I will add “danger”.


31 posted on 06/04/2013 9:30:09 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

No way in blazes will my family have anything to do with the Scouts ever again. I hold the whole organization in abject contempt. They are a disgrace to everything they once stood for. I truly spit on them.


32 posted on 06/04/2013 9:40:36 AM PDT by greene66
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To: caww

I “left” the modern catholic church with it’s lax laws and joined a Latin Mass Catholic Church. What a difference! No “good outweighs the bad” in the Latin Mass, but strict adherence to the rules. I love it!


33 posted on 06/04/2013 9:46:27 AM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: alloysteel

Wouldn’t it be better if the Boy Scouts issued a clarification to their ruling stating: “Any boy regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, will be accepted into a den. Any boy who sexually harasses another boy will be kicked out. Period.”

I had my kids in scouts for a year and the only mention of sex in the material was a notice that kids should be aware of anyway: that if someone (anyone) says they want to take pictures of you naked or touches you inappropriately, that you need to run away and get help. Doesn’t this still apply?


34 posted on 06/04/2013 9:48:21 AM PDT by WiLdAtHeArT30
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To: circlecity

It would seem your assumption is that homosexuality is a condition. Repeat after me, “homosexuality is a behavior. it is defined by one man sticking his penis up another mans anus.


35 posted on 06/04/2013 9:50:02 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: NonValueAdded

I can’t believe you said that~ “the good outweighs the bad” Did Jesus recommend such a course of action? That’s the problem with many churches today, including the “modern” catholic church. “love the sinner hate the sin” “don’t judge anyone” etc.


36 posted on 06/04/2013 9:52:32 AM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: circlecity
Actually, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is a sin.

Looking for a loophole?

37 posted on 06/04/2013 9:56:36 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: stanne

I’m referring to churches shunning the BSA now that it will welcome openly “gay” boys, and no doubt Scout Leaders, in the near future.

If a person acts sinfully without any remorse, regret, shame, guilt or desire to change for the better, and even worse, promotes such behavior to others - in essense, recruting them - such a person (or an organization) should damn well be shunned.


38 posted on 06/04/2013 9:59:44 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: WiLdAtHeArT30; alloysteel

The BSA now welcomes “openly” “gay” boys. The very next step is homo Scout Leaders. If homos kept quiet, they could be in the BS. But this is all about shoving the homo agenda, opening, in the BBA. There is not a smidgeon of doubt about this.


39 posted on 06/04/2013 10:01:39 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: circlecity

NAMBLA is literally licking their lips after successfully pushing for this change in BSA policy.

PURE EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!


40 posted on 06/04/2013 10:02:46 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: NonValueAdded

The victory is already complete. Within a short time, openly “gay” Scout Leaders will be allowed. Guaranteed. And no one in the BS or their parents, or volunteers, will be allowed to utter one word against the “gay” life. That is also guaranteed. While the “gay” crap will be open and loud.


41 posted on 06/04/2013 10:04:12 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: MondoQueen
Yeah, Jesus had nothing to do with the "bad" sort of people, did he? He ran away and didn't try to minister to them, didn't he?

This was a decision at the highest level by a minority of leaders. Are your local troops any less today then they were yesterday? Did the scouts in your troop suddenly turn gay? So it is time to cut and run? Throw it all away because the activists scored a small victory?

Scouting needs the church more than ever now. Did you ever consider this might be part of His plan to bring those troubled youth into a place where they could be shown the True Way?

42 posted on 06/04/2013 10:06:42 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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Some people on the thread think that there is no need to get out of the BSA - keep the good with the bad, be a good influence, etc.

This is totally the wrong attitude, unless it veils an acceptance of homosexuality. The homos will rule the BSA, and everyone will shut up -- or even be forced to vocally support homosexual behavior, as everyone in the DOJ must, as silence is now taken to mean the homophobia evil of "disapproval".

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43 posted on 06/04/2013 10:06:57 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SeekAndFind
He said the new policy fits the beliefs of most religious groups that sponsor troops.

Interesting that Gibbon said that one of the signs of the fall of the Roman Empire was the decay, not the decline of religion.

For those homosexual apologists on FR who are troubled that Roswell Street Baptist Church is dumping it's Boy Scout program, then they should also know that, in the New Testament, there is a thing that can be practiced call withdrawing fellowship. That is what Roswell Street church is doing.

Also interesting that the pro-homosexual lobby charging into to battle with their short-swords drawn screaming, "Love the center, hate the Sin!" are up against a difficult wall found in Chapter One of Romans. Verse 18 and following describe a society under the judgment of God. One of the symptoms of God's judgment is homosexuality, found in Verses 26 and 27.

But here's the point I wanted to make. In verse 28, Paul says that God gives the unredeemed people in that judged society over to a depraved mind--that is, they are incapable of understanding Truth. They reject it. Also in a judged society, there are a number of characteristics of people in a condemned society including murder, strife, deceit, envy, and practicing things that they understand are worthy of spiritual death, but they go ahead and practice them anyway. (Hence the reason for homosexual guilt. They understand that it is one of the things that signify spiritual death, but they go ahead and practice it anyway.)

Then there is the matter of the haters-of-God, found in verse 30. The Greek word so translated is theotugeis. My son did research on the word. In virtually every other time the word is used in other Greek literature usage from the time of Homer, he found that the word actually means God-hated.

At the very least, those who want to defend homosexual behavior on the basis of Hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner seem to be on very shaky ground. Because in a society that is under the judgment of God, homosexuals are listed among groups of people who may be hated by God, depending upon which Greek language authority you wish to agree with.

Argue theology or ignorance all day. If you somehow wish to defend homosexuality and their sin, you may be defending people who are hated-by-God.
Now, for those offended by my point, your argument is not really with me. Your argument is with the authority of Holy Scripture. And no, I don't think this belongs if some religious part of the forum. It was raised here, the discussion belongs here.
44 posted on 06/04/2013 10:07:52 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Jesus didn’t teach those who refused to listen to him, and from now on, the fags will rule the BSA. Either you have no clue about the goals and tactics of homosexuals and homosexual agenda pushers, and/or minimize the dangesr of same, or you think it’s fine to let boys be influenced by faggots.


45 posted on 06/04/2013 10:08:31 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: circlecity

“”The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Boy Scouts do not.”
Actually, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is a sin. “

“Homosexuality” = “homosexual behavior”.


46 posted on 06/04/2013 10:11:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: WiLdAtHeArT30

Can you not truly see the difference? Those people are coming in to ‘overcome’ their additions. The homosexuals didn’t fight this to have your help...rather to force you to accept them and their sexual behavior. You may very well be arrested for calling it what it is if you try and change their behavior.

Churches do not need to be careful....this has gone far beyond the “careful” mode. You yourself said we are to “seek out” the lost....God never said bring them into the fellowship of the believers (church).


48 posted on 06/04/2013 10:41:20 AM PDT by caww
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To: little jeremiah

I do believe some posting here haven’t a clue about the homosexual agenda, the practice of homosexuality and what that entails...nor how God views people who practice this AND that they encourage others to do so.

Certainly they lack understanding of the “danger” or they wouldn’t be trying so hard to find “compromise” on that which God does not compromise. Another case of people putting everything else above the safety of children.


49 posted on 06/04/2013 10:46:08 AM PDT by caww
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To: stanne

If sinner is a brother or sister in Christ who refuses to turn from that sin, 1 Corinthians 5 states we are to turn that person out. We are not to continue associating with such a person. The goal is always restoration of the sinner, but we cannot remain in fellowship with a open and unrepentent sinner...it would be tacit approval of the behavior.


50 posted on 06/04/2013 10:51:59 AM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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