Skip to comments.Churches move to cut ties to Scouts after gay policy change
Posted on 06/04/2013 8:34:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
For the Rev. Ernest Easley, the decision to cut ties with the Boy Scouts was simple.
The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Boy Scouts do not.
We are not willing to compromise Gods word, said Easley, pastor of the 2,300-member Roswell Street Baptist Church in Marietta, Ga., which has sponsored Boy Scout Troop 204 since 1945.
Easley, chairman of the Southern Baptist Conventions executive committee, said his church will shut down its troop at end of the year because of a recently adopted policy to allow openly gay scouts. Hes urging other Baptists to do the same.
Roswell Street is one of the first churches to cut ties with the Scouts over the new policy. Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, a 23,000-member megachurch, has also announced plans to shut down its troop. Other critics of the new policy, which doesnt take effect until January 2014, are taking a wait-and-see approach.
The Southern Baptist Convention, whose 3,981 Scout troops make it the BSAs sixth-largest religious sponsor, plans to address the issue at its annual meeting in Houston, June 11-12. About 70 percent of Scout troops are chartered by a faith-based group.
Deron Smith, a spokesman for the Boy Scouts, said the organization will help troops that have lost their church sponsors to find new homes. He said the new policy fits the beliefs of most religious groups that sponsor troops.
This policy reaffirms that doing ones duty to God is absolutely explicit and one of the fundamental principles of Scouting and states that sexual conduct by any Scout, heterosexual or homosexual, is contrary to the virtues of Scouting, he said in an e-mail.
The Scouts two largest religious sponsors, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the United Methodist Church, both said they intend to remain involved
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Actually, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is a sin.
What happened to “love the sinner, hate the sin?” I fear this decoupling will only hasten the fall.
In this context, I think that what the author contends is homosexuality and its endorsement. Also championing and celebrating homosexual behavior, even if you are celibate, is most definitely a sin.
You are correct suh!
Plus the BSA actually left the churches They ignored the Ned’s of the church certainly not th other way around
Mine is, and I hope they all cut ties.
Shunning those determined to commit sin and who are promoting it as a worthy behavior is the right thing to do.
“What happened to love the sinner, hate the sin?”
Do you propose a different course of action?
I don't disagree. It was just a poor choice of words. I'm quite sure there are Christians with homosexual tendencies who fight Satan every day to repress these urges and live a Godly life. And I respect them very much - "well done true and faithful servant!"
It’s just too bad that the leadership within the scouts has devolved into this mess. Maybe instead of punishing the kids by disbanding and defunding the troops, maybe we should work to throw out the malevolent deviant homosexual perverts in the leadership positions within the oranization. Somebody made these decisions, against everything the scouts stand for, they need to be singled out, and told in no certain terms that they have no future in the scouts, and they either leave, or get thrown out. Oh, and I would like to see an axe grinding badge added.
They are all the same in one overall general context, with shades of significant differences. I see "gay" as a charged political term. IMO, You can be homosexual (suffer from same-sex attraction) without being "gay," which is charged with implications of affirmation, indulgence and participation in this lifestyle.
It was sexual perversion that destroyed the Roman empire and it's certainly doing so in the US. Life is all about relationships....ruin, split, divide and injure those and you're fast going down the road of destroying the nation in whole.
Additionally...pedophilia is certainly on the heels of homosexuality...and bestiality not far from that.
The barbarians are here and active....seen and heard now in full view of the audiance....leaving a trail of destruction in their path.
The Mormons I don’t care about, but it saddens me that the Methodist Church has taken the road it has taken over the last 15 years with its bogus open hearts open minds mantra. The national convention has sold the church’s soul right out from underneath the smaller more conservative local churches that are tied to the national convention by tithes.
I know many Methodist’s from my small home town where the younger ones have gone to the SBC church and the older ones basically just too old and sad to leave a church they have been in for 50+ years. The small town church I went to with my wife, between my Baptist churches, went from a healthy membership of over 200+ on any Sunday to maybe 15-20 on a Sunday now.
At least some churches are holding to biblical laws. Given the current political climate the best they can do is follow St. Paul’s advice-”...come out from among them.”
Admonishing the sinner is thee appropriate action in certain well established churches That’s and loving but correcting. Not shunning.
First, there is no intent to "punish the kids" involve with scouting by withdrawing support. If anything, it is the motivation to PROTECT them that is in play here.
Yes, I think every traditional scout and scout unit, whether supportive or not, agrees that the upper leadership officials are the culprits and should be absolutely kicked to the curb. There is no argument about this. The decision to be made is how this is to be done. With the Mormon Church complicit in this decision (the head honcho of the Scouts is Mormon and is "pro-gay"), simply kicking them out seems to be extremely unlikely. The better strategy is to crash and burn the organization as quickly and thoroughly as possible so that principled scouting leaders can reclaim the failed organization.
.....”What happened to love the sinner, hate the sin?”....
Since God “gave them over” for their refusal to acknowledge Him and His will...I see no reason for me to take on a “coined phrase” ,intitiated by men , to seperate the sin from the sinner.
Homosexuality sin begins “within” a man....he ‘chooses’ to follow his lust and deny God’s will, which HE KNOWS....and by doing so also knows the price is estrangement from others.
The ONLY way for them to stop that estrangement is to demand the “attention” we see them seek now. By tolerating and giving them this attention we have stepped into what might have otherwise been God’s dealing with them “In the closet”.
“Love the sinner, hate the sin,” is found nowhere in the Bible. It is the invention wishful thinking men.
Psalm 5:5 plainly states that God hates all workers of iniquity. I Corinthians 6:9,10 and Revelation 21:8 teach us that unrighteous people will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Thank God for jesus, who covers our sinfulness with his righteousness, so God can give those who believe in Jesus the crown of eternal life in heaven.
Of course they will. The Mormon "church" isn't Christian, and the United Methodist Church has for the most part become so liberal and unbiblical that it can no longer be considered an authentic, bible-believing Christian denomination. My Godly Methodist grandparents who passed on to Heaven in the '50s would leave the current UMC in a heartbeat if they were still living here on this sin-cursed ball of dirt.
A lot of people are arguing for the ‘compassionate’ route. I would argue that this is more of the situation instructed through Luke 9:5 - if your instruction is rejected, then leave and ‘shake the dust from your dust as a testimony against them.’
The Boy Scouts had been in line with Biblical teachings. This change is a rejection of that. Therefore, the proper course of action is to demonstrate that their action is wrong by parting ways.
Had the reverse been true - a gay-supporting organization that was willing to consider another path, then the answer would be different. But the evidence actually suggests that this new policy is actually a first step, and that the intent is to go even further later. So yes, I agree: separate.
At another time I might consider that working...but what I expect to see is just exactly what we see throughout our country in all areas...A DIVIDE...two sides at war with one another.
I suspect there will be government sponsorship (rescue) of the Boy Scouts in time...and the other favorable groups formed will have to wing it alone.
That’s why it has to be QUICK and THOROUGH. Otherwise, a languishing BSA leadership will have time to appeal to the government and other public relations groups.
Yes, I do. The church should stay engaged in Scouting, recognizing the good things in the program far outweigh the bad from this decision. Why cede the ground to the activists and help them make their victory complete?
That’s exactly what I said. BSA left the church It shouldn’t have to put up with approval of homosexual behavior
The gathering of “believers” is the church....we've let the hoards IN rather than “go out of the church” on the mission we are sent to do.
Because of this there are many ‘unbelievers’ within the church..and they will affect and infect the whole when there numbers are large enough to do so.
I have family members who left the Luthern church as the one they were attending began supporting that which it should not...
I have no doubt true believers will be eventually going underground because they will not be tolerated in the direction our nation and it’s governance is going....and the churches are fast being invaded with undesirables who seek to “change” the church to something it is not and was never met to be.
Not all churches are equally motivated to cut ties with the “Boi Scoots”. Those churches, or at least part of their membership, fully agree with the agenda being presented, and in fact, are eagerly looking forward to the time when openly gay leaders may be accepted.
There will still be morally straight, God-fearing, and honest youths enrolled in some sort of life preparedness programs that teach basic skills to survive in less than optimal conditions, and hold up a light for others to follow.
But it won’t be called “Boy Scouts of America”.
If the attempt is made you can be sure the “groups” under the control of the enemy will surely contest...and they have the cash to do so.
These groups are already active and assisted in bringing about this “change” in the Boy Scouts.
I think we too easily forget that “deception” is the rule to attaining a foothold..... This has been going on for sometime now in the Boy Scouts. Once it began to generate millions and was nationwide it became ‘a target of revenue’ to those watching.
Same within the Catholic Church...it’s not only about “practicing in the safety of the church” but about the revenues the Catholic Church has.....and is also why the Mormons “use” the Boy Scouts.
The Boy Scouts held out for quite a long time, but the commies and liberals prevailed.
I’m not abandoning them because they are being coerced into their current situation. Maybe they could make a stand again if given enough backing.
Well clearly the Scouts have already been taken over....I would not have my child in this group now...God didn’t call us to sacrifice the well-being of our children for the sake of “some” good things...but to “come away” when the war is lost.....the battle to keep out homosexuals has been lost. The decision made.
Now people have to do the responsible thing and remove their children from that influence..and I will add “danger”.
No way in blazes will my family have anything to do with the Scouts ever again. I hold the whole organization in abject contempt. They are a disgrace to everything they once stood for. I truly spit on them.
I “left” the modern catholic church with it’s lax laws and joined a Latin Mass Catholic Church. What a difference! No “good outweighs the bad” in the Latin Mass, but strict adherence to the rules. I love it!
Wouldn’t it be better if the Boy Scouts issued a clarification to their ruling stating: “Any boy regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, will be accepted into a den. Any boy who sexually harasses another boy will be kicked out. Period.”
I had my kids in scouts for a year and the only mention of sex in the material was a notice that kids should be aware of anyway: that if someone (anyone) says they want to take pictures of you naked or touches you inappropriately, that you need to run away and get help. Doesn’t this still apply?
It would seem your assumption is that homosexuality is a condition. Repeat after me, “homosexuality is a behavior. it is defined by one man sticking his penis up another mans anus.
I can’t believe you said that~ “the good outweighs the bad” Did Jesus recommend such a course of action? That’s the problem with many churches today, including the “modern” catholic church. “love the sinner hate the sin” “don’t judge anyone” etc.
Looking for a loophole?
I’m referring to churches shunning the BSA now that it will welcome openly “gay” boys, and no doubt Scout Leaders, in the near future.
If a person acts sinfully without any remorse, regret, shame, guilt or desire to change for the better, and even worse, promotes such behavior to others - in essense, recruting them - such a person (or an organization) should damn well be shunned.
The BSA now welcomes “openly” “gay” boys. The very next step is homo Scout Leaders. If homos kept quiet, they could be in the BS. But this is all about shoving the homo agenda, opening, in the BBA. There is not a smidgeon of doubt about this.
NAMBLA is literally licking their lips after successfully pushing for this change in BSA policy.
The victory is already complete. Within a short time, openly “gay” Scout Leaders will be allowed. Guaranteed. And no one in the BS or their parents, or volunteers, will be allowed to utter one word against the “gay” life. That is also guaranteed. While the “gay” crap will be open and loud.
This was a decision at the highest level by a minority of leaders. Are your local troops any less today then they were yesterday? Did the scouts in your troop suddenly turn gay? So it is time to cut and run? Throw it all away because the activists scored a small victory?
Scouting needs the church more than ever now. Did you ever consider this might be part of His plan to bring those troubled youth into a place where they could be shown the True Way?
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Some people on the thread think that there is no need to get out of the BSA - keep the good with the bad, be a good influence, etc.
This is totally the wrong attitude, unless it veils an acceptance of homosexuality. The homos will rule the BSA, and everyone will shut up -- or even be forced to vocally support homosexual behavior, as everyone in the DOJ must, as silence is now taken to mean the homophobia evil of "disapproval".
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Jesus didn’t teach those who refused to listen to him, and from now on, the fags will rule the BSA. Either you have no clue about the goals and tactics of homosexuals and homosexual agenda pushers, and/or minimize the dangesr of same, or you think it’s fine to let boys be influenced by faggots.
“”The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Boy Scouts do not.”
Actually, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is a sin. “
“Homosexuality” = “homosexual behavior”.
Can you not truly see the difference? Those people are coming in to ‘overcome’ their additions. The homosexuals didn’t fight this to have your help...rather to force you to accept them and their sexual behavior. You may very well be arrested for calling it what it is if you try and change their behavior.
Churches do not need to be careful....this has gone far beyond the “careful” mode. You yourself said we are to “seek out” the lost....God never said bring them into the fellowship of the believers (church).
I do believe some posting here haven’t a clue about the homosexual agenda, the practice of homosexuality and what that entails...nor how God views people who practice this AND that they encourage others to do so.
Certainly they lack understanding of the “danger” or they wouldn’t be trying so hard to find “compromise” on that which God does not compromise. Another case of people putting everything else above the safety of children.
If sinner is a brother or sister in Christ who refuses to turn from that sin, 1 Corinthians 5 states we are to turn that person out. We are not to continue associating with such a person. The goal is always restoration of the sinner, but we cannot remain in fellowship with a open and unrepentent sinner...it would be tacit approval of the behavior.
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