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The Boy Scouts' Next Capitulation (how now can they argue against the inclusion of gay leaders?)
American Thinker ^ | 06/04/2013 | Trevor Thomas

Posted on 06/04/2013 7:44:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

To encourage his demonic protégé, Screwtape explained to Wormwood, "It does not matter how small the sins are, provided that their cumulative effect is to edge the man away from the Light and out into the Nothing... Indeed, the safest road to Hell is the gradual one -- the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts."

With the Boy Scouts of America's (B.S.A.) decision to allow young gays into their ranks, another signpost warning against the sin of homosexuality has been removed.

In 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Boy Scouts had the Constitutional right to exclude gay members. This was because, as the Court concluded, opposition to homosexuality is part of the organization's "expressive message." Part of the Scout Oath states that Scouts will keep themselves "physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight." The majority opinion in the 2000 ruling noted that the Scouts "teach that homosexual conduct is not morally straight," and that it does "not want to promote homosexual conduct as a legitimate form of behavior."

In his dissent of the 2000 Supreme Court decision, Justice John Paul Stevens declared, "it is plain as the light of day that neither one of these principles -- 'morally straight' and 'clean' [a reference to the Scout Law] -- says the slightest thing about homosexuality." It seems that the Boy Scouts have now surrendered that "expressive message" and agree with such an abhorrent and morally ignorant conclusion.

As Al Mohler warned prior to the B.S.A. vote, surrendering this core conviction "is both a legal and moral disaster." For example, with their "expressive message" now compromised, how now can the Scouts argue legally to prevent the inclusion of homosexual leaders?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; democrats; gays; homofascism; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; moralabsolutes; queer; queeringamerica
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1 posted on 06/04/2013 7:44:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Here comes the homosexual-oriented merit badges, although I personally fail to see the merit in such a lifestyle.


2 posted on 06/04/2013 7:46:33 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Boy Scouts are finished! Circling the drain. However you want to phrase it. It might survive as a “man/boy” organization.


3 posted on 06/04/2013 7:47:48 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: SeekAndFind

you can’t be a leader without a troop

and ultimately it is up to the parents to choose their son’s troop, based on trusting the troop leadership

or not join BS at all


4 posted on 06/04/2013 7:47:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SeekAndFind

All it takes is one homosexual Eagle Scout at 17 years and 364 days to then turn 18 and ask to be an adult scout leader. It will happen.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 7:49:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: SeekAndFind

The inclusion of gay leaders will occur the moment the first gay Eagle Scout turns 18 after January 2014 (when the new policy goes into effect). I expect the lawsuit is already being written.


6 posted on 06/04/2013 7:51:23 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: CodeToad

You beat my by 4 minutes. See post 6


7 posted on 06/04/2013 7:52:15 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: silverleaf

Something tells me, having to be that selective could be the downfall of the organization. If you can’t trust the whole way of life how are you expected to trust a single troop trying to conform to the whole organization.


8 posted on 06/04/2013 7:52:54 AM PDT by wita
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To: SeekAndFind

I think the scourt fully intend to allow gay scout leaders they just calculate that if they phase it in like this they will lose less members. They are counting on the frog in the pot of heating water phenomenon.


9 posted on 06/04/2013 7:53:00 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

They can’t. They have been snookered.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 7:54:45 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Boy Scouts had the Constitutional right to exclude gay homosexual members.

All they had to say was NO. It was that easy. I hope the organization has to fold up. What a shame.

11 posted on 06/04/2013 8:03:27 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: SeekAndFind

The Total Transformation of America, as promised in 2008.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 8:06:23 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: newheart

Without a doubt the boy Eagle to adult leader is their game plan. Instrumentalism is always the liberals weapon of choice. It is how he pedophiles get little children to hold still: “See, little boy, I am only touching your arm...now I am only touching...”


13 posted on 06/04/2013 8:06:58 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: SeekAndFind
The BGSA is done.

The fathers I've talked to are looking at alternatives, either existing or creating them.

14 posted on 06/04/2013 8:08:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
In his dissent of the 2000 Supreme Court decision, Justice John Paul Stevens declared, "it is plain as the light of day that neither one of these principles -- 'morally straight' and 'clean' [a reference to the Scout Law] -- says the slightest thing about homosexuality."

Liberal idiocy. Stevens is a FOOL because he has rejected the objective morality CLEARLY given by God.

15 posted on 06/04/2013 8:13:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

That is obvious. If not, there will be a lawsuit.
Another once-great American institution has been destroyed.


16 posted on 06/04/2013 8:17:01 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: MrB

Look what happened when the Catholic Church was required to
take in gays. Good luck scouts. I guess the lawyers are
licking their chops. Will the boys be allowed to claim abuse?


17 posted on 06/04/2013 8:17:05 AM PDT by cliff630
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To: cliff630

A claim of homosexual abuse will, soon, be considered a civil rights violation.


18 posted on 06/04/2013 8:19:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
The BSOA didn't actually think the gay agenda would stop at the inclusion of scouts did they?

Short sighted and naive if BS leadership believed it would stop...the door's been opened. It is just a matter of time before openly gay BS leaders go traipsing off in the woods with your son.

19 posted on 06/04/2013 8:25:03 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: SeekAndFind
There is already no will in the BSA organization to enforce their rules or principles. Homosexual scouts and leaders have already been flaunting their sexual-political behavior, largely without consequence.

This rule, while it stands, will be on paper only, and will remain on paper only.

20 posted on 06/04/2013 8:25:20 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Scounts = toast.

And the sad part is that they pushed down the heat lever themselves.

However, the philosophy is there...and the old scouts can start new groups. The libs are soon going to have their very own set of survival troubles after CW-II starts anyway, so the scouts can successfully regroup after things settle down.


21 posted on 06/04/2013 8:25:49 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: txnativegop

When your son comes home with a bleeding butt , don’t worry he’s just working on a new badge


22 posted on 06/04/2013 8:25:57 AM PDT by molson209
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To: circlecity
I think the scourt fully intend to allow gay scout leaders they just calculate that if they phase it in like this they will lose less members.

Bingo!

23 posted on 06/04/2013 8:26:17 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: DBrow

HomObama is the honorary National Scoutmaster. Watch, very soon, for him to inject EVERY homo agenda item into the Scouts by his sodomite handlers.


24 posted on 06/04/2013 8:27:59 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Da Coyote

A lot of deluded FReepers here are trying to hold the fort, thinking they can retain the scouting principles within this now sodomized organization. Expect them to pipe up directly.


25 posted on 06/04/2013 8:29:23 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: molson209

Let’s hope not. It is a sad day.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 8:34:45 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: MrB

When not mention to the fathers to go national and tell the hierarchy of the BSA to disband it immediately. It takes honor to disband it and they have to put some action behind their talk of honor; otherwise, they will appear to have been frauds to begin with. And then have a national event where all scouts are given a special badge of ‘living the honor’ at the closing down of the BSA.


27 posted on 06/04/2013 8:36:29 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Their only way to survive is to unincorporate, and come back as a new name, with new by-laws and constitution.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:59 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: presently no screen name

The problem is inherently in the “national” character of the organization.

They’re all looking at a more decentralized approach.

Harder for the left to attack.


29 posted on 06/04/2013 8:42:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: CodeToad

The way I understand the rules, if a troop looses it’s chartering organization and dissolves all the assets of the troop go back to the local BSA Council. Many troops have thousands of $$ in cash, along with equipment such as trailers, tents, camping equipment and some own real estate. All of it reverts to the next higher scout organization.


30 posted on 06/04/2013 8:43:54 AM PDT by muskah
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To: MrB
They’re all looking at a more decentralized approach.

Good idea.

31 posted on 06/04/2013 8:46:22 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: cliff630

Umm, no we aren’t required to take them in.


32 posted on 06/04/2013 8:50:48 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: muskah

The very reason to close up shop all together and disburse the monies to each troop to be divided among it’s scouts - it was for them to begin with. And then auction off the equipment and donate the funds to the veterans.


33 posted on 06/04/2013 8:54:12 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: cliff630
Will the boys be allowed to claim abuse?

Any parent that allows their son to remain 'in it' is abusing their own child.

34 posted on 06/04/2013 8:56:13 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: MrB
it is plain as the light of day that neither one of these principles --

It shows the judge is in the dark and has no light in him as his 'light of day' is dark and cannot see what is obvious.

35 posted on 06/04/2013 8:59:44 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: muskah

That’s easily taken care of: Spend the money, or give it back, and sell off assets. Turn the org to $0 then close shop.


36 posted on 06/04/2013 9:20:34 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: wita

for most of us, the troop and maybe the next level up, and our collective skills and experiences in past Scouting, ARE “the whole way of life” especially for the young kids below High School

and at these levels, we are all volunteers

No troop for your kid? Start one.

Don’t like, fit in, or agree with troop your kid is in?
Start a new one

Don’t think the troop leader is a good role model? Start another troop (that’s how my Mom got one started)

Don’t like the new badges, handbooks or other printed materials provide by national organization? Dont use them, use the old ones, earn the old badges, they are always good

Don’t like the theme antics or participants of a conference workshop jamboree or camporee? Don’t go. There are lots of choices- especially those run by volunteers

People who don’t do GS might be surprised at how traditional are the troops. The Mommies and Daddies who complain that the girls do too much crafts and feel-good badges and not enough leadership and outdoor camping have failed to step up and just start a new troop

Personally as Mom of son too, I found for years the number of women as Boy Scout leaders to be a bit discouraging

when men bailed out of being Boy Scout leaders (and dads) that was the real start of the BS downslide, imho


37 posted on 06/04/2013 9:41:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: txnativegop
Here comes the homosexual-oriented merit badges,

Such as the "First AIDS" merit badge?

38 posted on 06/04/2013 9:47:53 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: SeekAndFind

I really don’t see how they can. With this half-a-loaf, try-to-please-everyone decision of theirs how can they say that a homosexual can he a scout but not a leader without appearing hypocritical in the extreme? They’ve left themselves open to all sorts of new lawsuits on this one, and I doubt they’ll win them in the future. They’ve killed Scouting. It may take a while for the body to hit the floor but make no mistake. Scouting is dead because of this decision.


39 posted on 06/04/2013 9:51:07 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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My troop has not received any funding whatsoever from BSA...We raised our monies thru fund raising to go on camp outs, and to long resident camps...We owe BSA nothing...The only thing we owe is to pay $15.00 per scout a year to be chartered...The camping equipment was either bought with troop money, or it was donated by a troop leader...we have had very few donations from any businesses..All donations that were provided went thru the council office, and we never saw a dime of that donation...if we are to close shop what monies we have left will go to a worthy organization where it not handed out to undeserving clients.


40 posted on 06/04/2013 10:15:05 AM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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To: Bullfrogg

Perfect!


41 posted on 06/04/2013 10:18:01 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind

Avowed atheists will come next. The BSA will be hollowed out in three years.


42 posted on 06/04/2013 11:07:06 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: muskah

Everything “owned” by the troop belongs to the inventory of the chartering organization. It would be quite easy for a BSA troop to reconfigure itself into a church-oriented youth program.


43 posted on 06/04/2013 11:23:55 AM PDT by HopeSprings
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We also never received funding from our church, only a place to meet......where we are chartered..so in essence the church does not own this equipment....and so property will be auctioned off, and given to a charity.


44 posted on 06/04/2013 11:43:06 AM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I would not be surprised.

I had not thought about that particular possibility.


45 posted on 06/04/2013 11:49:45 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Bullfrogg

You’d better check your charter agreement then!


46 posted on 06/04/2013 12:25:12 PM PDT by HopeSprings
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To: SeekAndFind
That will be the second and possibly the Final and Fatal Bayonet in Scouting's back.
47 posted on 06/04/2013 1:07:40 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: silverleaf
People who don’t do GS might be surprised at how traditional are the troops.

I'm sure many are, but having just found out yesterday we have an "American Heritage Girls" troop in our area that's where we're headed. Regarding AHG's relationship with the Boy Scouts, AHG's National Board of Trustees issued on May 23 a "Memorandum of Mutual Support - Dissolution Statement". It was no longer possible to maintain the fraternal relationship with the BSA in light of the BSA's recent policy change.

48 posted on 06/04/2013 1:25:19 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: silverleaf

For those looking for alternatives to the Boy Scouts, here’s a good list of options.
Conservative Boy Scout Alternatives
http://tamarawilhite.hubpages.com/hub/Conservative-Boy-Scout-Alternatives


49 posted on 06/04/2013 4:48:34 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: silverleaf

Thanks for your comments.

“Personally as Mom of son too, I found for years the number of women as Boy Scout leaders to be a bit discouraging”

This point got my attention more than the others from the standpoint of perception. Your comments generally are fairly prolific, or threads we inhabit are much the same, In other words, your screen name is familiar to me, and I had always assumed the not so obvious in regards your sex. It isn’t the first discovery of perception error, only the latest.


50 posted on 06/05/2013 5:07:58 AM PDT by wita
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