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I94, Arrival-Departure Record No More! (Giant amnesty move)

Posted on 06/01/2013 9:47:19 PM PDT by MNDude

If you've ever visited a foreign county, you know you at required to fill out and carry around a form stating how long you intend to stay and where. In USA, this form is called I94, Arrival-Departure Record. My mother in law just arrived from Mexico to visit for a few weeks, and we were concerned she lost her form. After inquiring, I just learned that as of a month ago, our country no longer requires this for international visitors.

In other words, we are saying that if you visit USA, you can stay as long as you please, and you'll never be asked when you are supposed to leave!


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 666; aliens; amnesty; noborders; openborders; vanity; worldcitiizens

1 posted on 06/01/2013 9:47:19 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

Could have something to do with machine readable passports and visas.


2 posted on 06/01/2013 9:52:34 PM PDT by kabar
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To: MNDude

I thought they were making a big deal about checking to see if students were overstaying their visas, after the Boston bombing...

Let’s see.... A month ago would be around May 1st. A couple weeks after the April 15th Boston bombing...

And that’s when they STOPPED checking how long somebody was supposed to be in the country?

This regime sickens me. Whatever they say.... the truth is always the exact opposite. Whatever would benefit the country... what this regime does is the exact opposite.


3 posted on 06/01/2013 9:52:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: MNDude

But if Canadians have a trailer full of supplies for Oklahoma... Well, that stuff has to be fully documented, ya know!!!


4 posted on 06/01/2013 9:54:20 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: kabar

I thought they’re not allowing anybody to ask for documentation of whether a person is in the country legally. If so, then when would a machine-readable passport or visa ever be read? How would anybody ever be caught overstaying?


5 posted on 06/01/2013 9:56:11 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: rickmichaels

My brother lived in japan for 90 days. On the 91st the local cops came bv and brought him into the station. He was too dumb to realize that 90 days is not 3 months. Some of them months have 31 days.


6 posted on 06/01/2013 9:58:57 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

How many months have 28 days?


7 posted on 06/01/2013 10:01:08 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

Both of them.


8 posted on 06/01/2013 10:02:05 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: MNDude

Been to Mexico twice and Canada probably 10x and never had to carry such a form...never even heard of it until now.


9 posted on 06/01/2013 10:11:46 PM PDT by Ackackadack
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To: kabar

Do these readable Visas and passports say where you will be staying?


10 posted on 06/01/2013 10:13:43 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: Ackackadack

Obviously if you’re American, you would have to fill out an I94, but if you went to Mexico, I’m sure you had to fill out one of these: http://mapchick.com/immigration.html


11 posted on 06/01/2013 10:20:02 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

My brother lived in japan for 90 days. On the 91st the local cops came bv and brought him into the station. He was too dumb to realize that 90 days is not 3 months. Some of them months have 31 days.

I hear Japan needs farmers for the northern island....

At least you gotta respect the fact that they enforce their immigration...


12 posted on 06/01/2013 10:23:39 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: MNDude

This is bad, very bad. We need to start keying up on the employers of these crimmigrants. We can make money in the process.

___________________________________________________________________

Whenever an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or something similar, here’s what I recommend:
What can we do about it? Here’s my standard post.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Here’s what I’ve been pushing: it’s time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits.

RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. I’m surprised they haven’t done it already.

In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens like this jerk.

Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, I’m going to point out that the victim’s family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and they’ll all simply want to go back home.



13 posted on 06/01/2013 10:48:55 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: MNDude

This is not what it means. You’re getting caught up in the amnesty hysteria.

The I94 form had no teeth to it and was basically useless.

I filled one out every time I came back from Asia, and for what?


14 posted on 06/01/2013 11:31:13 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: MNDude
Do these readable Visas and passports say where you will be staying?

A record in a database is far more valuable than a dump truck full of little pieces of paper. Who is going to decipher those? If the visitor knows where she will be staying, that can be typed into the computer by the agent. However how many visitors can be sure where they are going to stay each and every night of their trip? What if they show up at the hotel but their room is flooded and there is no replacement room? There is no penalty for not living up to what one wrote on that piece of paper; and there is no technical capability to follow up; and there is not even a desire to do that. Those Chechen brothers were here legally, and the police knew where they lived - so what? I don't think pushing for a more efficient and omniscient police state is the way to go.

This form only helps locate visitors who want to be located. Those are not a problem. A troublemaker, on the other hand, can always say that he plans to stay in a certain motel that he found on the Internet. Of course he won't be there. How would you know? What do you do after that? If you catch up with him, is his action a crime? There is no law that forces all foreigners to register their location with the police and keep it updated. (But parolees are required to do that, as I understand.)

Fact of the matter is that once someone is admitted into the country, that person becomes, for all practical reasons, invisible. The only chance to find him is when he gets stopped by the police and tells his true name instead of some generic Jose-Maria Gonzalez of some random year of birth and of some random address. Local illegals have many aliases like that, and the police dispatcher just replies with "not known." Lacking a warrant, the LEO cites the guy for something and lets him go.

15 posted on 06/02/2013 12:31:37 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: MNDude

The democrats are ruining everything that was working right in this country!


16 posted on 06/02/2013 6:00:34 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Kevmo

I like it.


17 posted on 06/02/2013 6:04:08 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: butterdezillion

We are still checking passports and visas at our airports, ports, and at the border. You just don’t walk off a plane and go straight into the US. You also don’t leave without doing the same thing, i.e., go thru passport control. Your passport and visa are scanned.


18 posted on 06/02/2013 7:09:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MNDude

No.


19 posted on 06/02/2013 7:09:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MNDude
The elimination of the I-94 only applies to Visa Wavier Program countries.

Elimination of paper Departure Form I-94W for VWP

20 posted on 06/02/2013 7:14:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

So as long as they don’t try leaving the country they can overstay as long as they want. The only time we’ll ever catch them is when they’re already trying to leave anyway.

Or if they arrest you after you commit a terrorist attack...

Exactly how does this regime propose to “crack down on” students overstaying their visas, if the only time anybody can check their visas (and how long they are authorized to stay) is when they’re already trying to leave?


21 posted on 06/02/2013 9:41:44 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: kabar

Ah so the people that Obama has fast-tracked into the country because they know they are “safe” - people from places like Mexico which is sending in gun cartels and the Islamist terrorists they are allied with, or places like Saudi Arabia, where Osama’s son Hamza came from - as Michelle Obama knew when she went to high-five him in the hospital after he was caught at the Boston marathon finish line.

Those are the people Janet Napolitano wants to make sure can waltz into our country any time and stay as long as they want without ever being checked. Those are the people they want to make sure get welfare benefits so they have plenty of time to plan their terrorist attacks - rather than the US government using the tax dollars to feed, train, and arm our own troops.

(spit)


22 posted on 06/02/2013 9:48:25 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
So as long as they don’t try leaving the country they can overstay as long as they want. The only time we’ll ever catch them is when they’re already trying to leave anyway.

True enough, but at least we should know who overstayed their visa. If we ever do crack down on them, then there will be a database with their names and personal information including a photo. The problem is that we aren't tracking and deporting visa overstays who account for about 40% of the illegal aliens in the country. Thus, having a secure border only solves part of the problem. We have 50 million legal visitors a year.

Of course if we have an amnesty, all of the visa overstays will immediately become legal including being issued a work permit. Thank you Marco Rubio.

23 posted on 06/02/2013 7:22:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: MNDude

Don’t remember having to do that at all. Maybe it’s recent? Last time I was in Mexico was visiting Juarez and Nogales, both in the summer of ‘02. Don’t know what I94 is either. Although I do remember having to fill out a card on the plane on the way to Toronto in maybe ‘06 I think.


24 posted on 06/02/2013 10:57:37 PM PDT by Ackackadack
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