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8 Shocking Things We Learned From Stephen Hawking's Book (Should Be 9 Shocking things)
Live Science ^ | January, 2012 | Clara Moskowitz

Posted on 05/31/2013 2:10:39 PM PDT by lbryce

From the idea that our universe is one among many, to the revelation that mathematician Pythagoras didn't actually invent the Pythagorean theorem, here are eight shocking things we learned from reading physicist Stephen Hawking's new book, "The Grand Design," written with fellow physicist Leonard Mlodinow of Caltech.

The book, covering major questions about the nature and origin of the universe, was released Sept. 7, 2010, by its publisher, Bantam.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


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KEYWORDS: antisemitism; antizionism; hawking; nazihawking; stringtheory
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While there are many fascinating aspects to Stephen Hawking's book as brought to our attention with 'Live Science's '8 Shocking Things We Learned From Stephen Hawking's Book' article, what I came away with after reading the article was that the most shocking thing in the book is one not highlighted as such, and of which I believe is an 'easter egg' (hidden) wacky thing that is the most shocking of them all and which should have been entitled as "9 Shocking Things We Learn From his book.'

Item #4 Is the notion that we live in a Universe in which our view is distorted, that we have a distorted view of reality.

Hawking and Mlodinow bring up the incident to make the point that it is impossible to know the true nature of reality. We think we have an accurate picture of what's going on, but don't have anything in which to compare what reality is really like. Hawking uses an example to help explain what he mean by a distorted view.

How would we know if we were metaphorically living in a giant fishbowl of our own reality since we would never be able to see outside our own point of view to compare?

To help us understand how we might perceive the Universe as normal but in reality is distorted, he uses oppressed fish living in a fish bowl. The idea that fish living in a curved bowl have a distorted view of reality is like we perceiving the universe through dist The ultimate point I am trying to make here is that a few years ago, the city council of Monza, Italy, barred pet owners from keeping goldfish in curved bowls. This law was meant to protect the poor fish from a distorted nature of reality, since bent light might show them in an odd portrayal of their surroundings.

Hawking and Mlodinow bring up the incident to make the point that it is impossible to know the true nature of reality is.. We think we have an accurate picture of what's going on, but how would we know if we were metaphorically living in a giant fishbowl of our own, since we would never be able to see outside our own point of view to compare.

He uses #5 entitled 'Oppressed Fish' as metaphor for the distorted view of reality of fish living in a curved fishbowl perceived as such and so by the same token we ourselves in fact may be have a distorted view of reality. Okay. The metaphor makes sense and that indeed the view of the universe we see of our reality is distorted.

What I found out about the outlawing of curved fishbowls so that fish will get to see the world in a non-distorted reality was that that a few years ago, the city council of Monza, Italy, barred pet owners from keeping goldfish in curved bowls. This law was meant to protect the poor fish from a distorted nature of reality, since bent light might show them an odd portrayal of their surroundings.

Hawking and Mlodinow bring up the incident to make the point that it is impossible to know the true nature of reality. We think we have an accurate picture of what's going on, but how would we know if we were metaphorically living in a giant fishbowl of our own, since we would never be able to see outside our own point of view to compare.

The outlawing of curved fishbowls in Monza, Italy as to be one of the most bizarre, and strangest laws passed by humans for he benefit of animals without the absolute slightest idea if the fish give the slightest concern or can grasp to any degree about the shape of the fishbowl having the slightest degree of difference to the view they inhabit.

So please allow me to nominate the city council of Monza, Italy, for instilling human emotion into animals where it certainly doesn't apply as championed by the left without the fish knowing th slightest difference.

1 posted on 05/31/2013 2:10:39 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Hawking doesn’t believe in God ... that makes EVERYthing he says distorted.


2 posted on 05/31/2013 2:14:00 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: lbryce

Hawking certainly has a distorted view of reality, especially when it comes to Israel.


3 posted on 05/31/2013 2:14:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: knarf

You have thar precisely right. I used to enjoy mental trips with his studies, but that ended when his anti-Israel views came to light. (Another anti-God position. May God have mercy on him. Just another poor soul thinking he is smarter than His Creator.)


4 posted on 05/31/2013 2:17:23 PM PDT by Bravada (Wherever I Stand, I Stand With Israel!)
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To: lbryce
"one consequence of the theory of quantum mechanics is that events in the past that were not directly observed did not happen in a definite way. Instead they happened in all possible ways. '

All Possible ways? Well then. If that's true, then I was married to Morgan Fairchild in the 70's! Also Rachael Welch! At the same time!!!!

5 posted on 05/31/2013 2:17:48 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Olog-hai

Whoops. Of course I meant to say ‘that’.


6 posted on 05/31/2013 2:18:14 PM PDT by Bravada (Wherever I Stand, I Stand With Israel!)
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To: DannyTN

They still love you, too.


7 posted on 05/31/2013 2:18:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: lbryce; KC_Lion; Bender2
From the idea that our universe is one among many,

Stopped right there....

Anyone want to invest in my new kickstarter project to make a device to transport people into a universe where communism was soundly defeated in the cold war (both in russia and the USA)???

The idea is to "slide" into another universe...

If we cannot find a universe without communism we will find one where the USA is a "Communist Utopia" and offer all the liberal college professors, democrats, and welfare leeches a free ride to this "non-hateful utopia" and once there we will detroy the device.

Either way, it is a win-win...

8 posted on 05/31/2013 2:20:50 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG
I will go fetch Kari Wuhrer.


9 posted on 05/31/2013 2:24:44 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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10 posted on 05/31/2013 2:25:58 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: GraceG

“we will find one where the USA is a “Communist Utopia” and offer all the liberal college professors, democrats, and welfare leeches a free ride to this “non-hateful utopia” and once there we will detroy the device.”

Best idea I’ve heard today! I’m IN!


11 posted on 05/31/2013 2:26:55 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: griswold3

Yeah, untill a bunch of liberals start showing up out of thin air and to our shock we discover that this universe IS the liberal utopia that a somewhat more conservative universe is dumping it’s liberals in....

DUN DUN DUN.......


12 posted on 05/31/2013 2:30:43 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: lbryce

Compared to God’s Sovereignty the most capable of us are merely rats running in a wheel or fish swimming in a tank. “For now we see through a glass, darkly”....Hawking’s biggest problem will be a “face to face” meeting with his Creator. These revelations aren’t.


13 posted on 05/31/2013 2:34:10 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: knarf

THE POINT OF Me MAKiNG HE POST IS SIMPLY TO SHOW THE ANIMAL-LOVING ANTHROPOMORPHIC ASPECT OF CRAZY PEOPLE IN the WORLD.
I am not getting into the entire controversy regarding his embargo with Israeli intellectuals. My point is simply how the demented the left-wing, liberal mindset will outlaw fishbowls that are curved that give the fish a distorted view of the word simply because it is cured as if the fish can differentiate in the slightest way.
<p<Mt\y issue has nothing about Hawking and all about curved fishbowls that wont do the slightest to improve their lot


14 posted on 05/31/2013 2:40:11 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce

So, he argues that we can’t have a full picture of what is going on, that our reality is distorted. I’m sure he then goes on to reject God and all believers.
Hypocrit, thy name is Hawking!


15 posted on 05/31/2013 2:40:25 PM PDT by vpintheak (We are the chosen few! Be thankful for it!)
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To: lbryce
Whoa .. OK.

We still love ya ...

/8^)

16 posted on 05/31/2013 2:56:48 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: lbryce

Oh, Bantam. Thought you said Barnum ;).


17 posted on 05/31/2013 2:57:31 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: lbryce
RE: Your signature line - that is from the "Gita" Although Oppenheimer did utter or paraphrase this passage after one of the atomic weapons test in the New Mexico desert -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita

As well, your sig line appears to have one or more words all mixed up.

18 posted on 05/31/2013 3:01:31 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conit did haservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: knarf

you are of course are referrring to Christpoher Hawking.


19 posted on 05/31/2013 3:03:40 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce
THE POINT OF Me MAKiNG HE POST IS SIMPLY TO SHOW THE ANIMAL-LOVING ANTHROPOMORPHIC ASPECT OF CRAZY PEOPLE IN the WORLD. I am not getting into the entire controversy regarding his embargo with Israeli intellectuals. My point is simply how the demented the left-wing, liberal mindset will outlaw fishbowls that are curved that give the fish a distorted view of the word simply because it is cured as if the fish can differentiate in the slightest way.

Do you know this for certain? Please present your evidence regarding non curved fishbowls NOT improving the lot of ordinary fish. And - is there a genuinely good reason why if we cannot improve the lot of fish that we should not do so?

20 posted on 05/31/2013 3:07:46 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conit did haservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: lbryce

Well, if you believe in the Word, this is silly, because Jesus said if you know Him you know the Father, and that’s reality. Now, since Hawking doesn’t believe in Him, I think it’s safe to say HIS view is distorted.


21 posted on 05/31/2013 3:16:44 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: knarf

There is one universe. Any scientist who says otherwise is not a true scientist.

(the cosmos is all there is, was, or ever will be. Carl Sagan.)


22 posted on 05/31/2013 3:23:55 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: lbryce

Hawking is a Politically Correct scientist who after 50 years will be known for ........contributing nothing. perfect for our times.


23 posted on 05/31/2013 3:28:14 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: lbryce

I’d say he’s been watching way too many reruns of the Twilight Zone.


24 posted on 05/31/2013 3:31:52 PM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: lbryce

You are, of course, joking ...


25 posted on 05/31/2013 3:38:51 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: knarf

Your statement saying that since Hawking dos not believe in God, ergo everything he says is distorted is a perfect example of the fallacious argument. It makes no sense and proves, validates nothing, Because they are two totally disconnected statements. where one does not logically necessarily follow the other.It’s a classic fallacy in logic.
You can have every church filled to he rafters singing God’s praises and will mean nothing in making that determinaion that Go exists.


26 posted on 05/31/2013 3:46:48 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce
Yeah, so ... ?

YOU'RE a frickin' ELECTRON !

27 posted on 05/31/2013 3:50:21 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: knarf

He probably is joking. We all know you meant “Fred Hawking.” :^)


28 posted on 05/31/2013 3:50:42 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: atc23

OK. Thank for the heads up. I will get back to you asap to get to the bottom if it.


29 posted on 05/31/2013 3:57:58 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce
Interesting how Hawking admits that a conscious observer is necessary for something to exist, but he is completely uninterested in what consciousness is.

Seems to me that since a conscious observer is a fundamental aspect of quantum physics, he'd be a little curious about it.

I wonder why that is?

30 posted on 05/31/2013 4:06:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: Hardraade

You response probably has you believe in God. Your comment about Barnum was well done.


31 posted on 05/31/2013 4:11:19 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce
hawking is a celebrity in the Physics world... much as Paris Hilton is a celebrity in hollyweird. I am also convinced and have been for years... that old stephen here likes to smoke Lebanese or Afghan hashish. He is also a GODless creature.

LLS

32 posted on 05/31/2013 4:33:04 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: rsobin

Precisely!

LLS


33 posted on 05/31/2013 4:34:53 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: lbryce

Item #4 Is the notion that we live in a Universe in which our view is distorted, that we have a distorted view of reality.


So his view of the universe is distorted?


34 posted on 05/31/2013 5:01:41 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: lbryce
You response probably has you believe in God. Your comment about Barnum was well done.

You are saying you are an atheist?

35 posted on 05/31/2013 7:30:34 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: lbryce; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; Beowulf; Bones75; ...

Thanks lbryce.

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36 posted on 05/31/2013 7:42:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: knarf

Knarf,You're Damn Right!

37 posted on 05/31/2013 10:30:58 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: atc23

I thought the state outlawed the internet for institutions.
I’ve always wondered how they use a keyboard while wearing straitjackets.


38 posted on 05/31/2013 10:50:13 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: atc23
You've been making comments tonight that makes me think you're just interested in wasting my time. You mentioned that my sig was mixed up as well, saying my sig line appears to have one or more words all mixed up. There isn't enough space for a sig to be messed up like that Especially if you had the slightest idea of any of Oppenheimer's quotations Kindly carefully compare my sig and that of some of Oppenheimer's quotations I left below so I don't have any additional things to argue with you about, and compare them with the list of quotations made by Mr. Oppenheimer. You remind me of some commenter who chastised me for writing the wrong date. The wrong date. For God's sakes, the guy had nothing to contribute intellectually to any number of threads and wanted to be able to say he wrote something on Free Republic. That was years ago when I suffered fools gladly and i I come across another one like him he neither would be getting won't off too lighly or politely.
39 posted on 06/01/2013 2:18:35 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce
Which reminds me ...

I've often asked;

"If the atom is essentially electrons (negative) circling around protons (positive), and unlike signs attract ...

why don't they implode ?

To which I reply ..

THE FINGER OF GOD

40 posted on 06/01/2013 3:37:42 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: Olog-hai
Hawking certainly has a distorted view of reality, especially when it comes to Israel.

I think all his theories, research and publications should be called into question because he didn't take a trip to Israel.

41 posted on 06/01/2013 3:41:36 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw

That’s not what he did.


42 posted on 06/01/2013 3:46:59 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: knarf
Remeber you said I had a mix up with Oppenheimer's quotes And as I asked before how much room do you have on a tagline anyway to creating a mix up? Oppenheimer quotes from BrainyQuote.com. I am become death, the destroyer of worlds. - J. Robert ... www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jrobertop101189.html ... the destroyer of worlds." - J. Robert Oppenheimer How is this at all differrent from the tagline I use?
43 posted on 06/01/2013 4:06:58 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce
You're smokin' crack ... you've got me mixed up with atc23.

Get some phuquin' sleep.

44 posted on 06/01/2013 4:10:06 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: lbryce

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45 posted on 06/01/2013 4:19:05 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce

Ergo, Carbon dating isn’t absolute or gauge invariant.


46 posted on 06/01/2013 4:22:31 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: knarf; lbryce
Spelling is certainly not one of you strong points. Saying that I smoke crack, is that one of the things you say is true but while you can't prove it even if you know it true? Either way the answer is quite interesting bcause saying Yes, would be an out and out lie, saying no would be less disingenuous because you could have implied that you were a prognosticator of some sort

So might you kindly pander to the audience's intriguing curiosity and good naturedly give us one example when truth entered your life and you divined its arrival or concluded something on your own that came to fruition. We're a one big happy FReeper Family ready and willing to share the fun and frivolity of someone like yourself who I ascertain is one rip-roaring, fun kind of guy. So crank out that fertile imagination of yours and let the frivolity begin.

I also wanted to say how much I love the name Knarf. Is that your dog's name? Because some FREepers do use their dog's name as pseudonyms. Knarf is great. it's got this great Viking sound to it, could very well be a Norse God, on the way home to Valhalla with hundreds of Norse virgin slave girls to keep you busy and once the winter is everyone's gonna be Knarfing and you'll be over run by hundred of Knarfs It's a great name when you're out raping and pillaging, thats for sure. Can't wait to hear from you Please get back to m asap I don't know why but this song from the seventies "Why can't We friends, why can't we be friends" began to play in my head almost like an epiphany as soon as you called me out as an electron. While that was great I'm really like a positron with a large percentage of higggs Boson, and a fun loving quarkiness most neutrons find electrifying,

47 posted on 06/01/2013 5:49:44 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce; All
"Remember you said I had a mix up with Oppenheimer's quotes"

Please go to #18, compare/contrast whom you're speaking to, and about what, then come back to these last couple of replies to me and tell me you haven't confused me with someone else

Lysdexics are teeple poo !

48 posted on 06/01/2013 8:30:28 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: knarf

Yes, you are extraordinarily correct, I have been overwhelmingly myopic, inattentive in having made a fool of myself. Please accept my sincerest apology for being such a clueless idiot. This issue is over, out and done with meaning, I’m moving forward not backward. Again, Knarf, sorry for having been so obnoxious.


49 posted on 06/01/2013 10:16:46 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce

No problem ... family matters are dealt with within the family


50 posted on 06/01/2013 1:53:13 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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