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California lawmakers OK a dozen gun-control measures
The LA Slimes ^ | Wednesday, May 29, 2013 | Patrick McGreevy and Chris Megerian

Posted on 05/30/2013 2:37:37 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA

SACRAMENTO — California lawmakers Wednesday advanced a dozen gun-control measures, including background checks for ammunition buyers, and gave early approval to a tax penalty on the Boy Scouts for barring openly gay leaders.

Californians who want to buy ammunition would have to submit personal information and a $50 fee for a background check by the state, under a bill passed by the Senate.

The Senate also OK'd a bill that would outlaw the sale, purchase and manufacture in California of semiautomatic rifles that can accommodate detachable magazines. The measure, SB 374 by Steinberg, also would require those who own such weapons to register them with the state.

The Assembly joined the action on guns by passing a measure to require the state Department of Justice to notify local law enforcement agencies when someone buys more than 3,000 rounds of ammunition. The bill would also ban kits that convert magazines to carry more than 10 rounds and would extend a ban on gun ownership for anyone who conveys a serious threat of violence to a licensed psychotherapist.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; boyscouts; california; communists; control; democrats; guncontrol; jerrybrown; kalifornia; secondamendment
Gun grabbing faggots.
1 posted on 05/30/2013 2:37:37 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA

How many gun manufacturers have left the state or are planning to?


2 posted on 05/30/2013 2:42:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Lotta gun owners gonna become criminals on 1/1/14, either deliberately or from being uninformed about these draconian new bans. Even .22 semi-auto rifles like the Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 60 are not exempt.
3 posted on 05/30/2013 2:44:38 PM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: ConservativeInPA

Isn’t a special tax, targeted at encumbering the exercise of a Constitutional right, just sort of, illegal. Wouldn’t that be like a poll tax?


4 posted on 05/30/2013 2:46:15 PM PDT by Cololeo (`)
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To: ConservativeInPA

“....those who own such weapons to register them with the state.”

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And get ready for confiscation of those rifles and any other firearms deemed necessary by the state.


5 posted on 05/30/2013 2:47:48 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: 353FMG

THE BLOOD OF ALL THE INNOCENT LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS THAT ARE KILLED BUY THE GOVERNMENT OR CRIMINALS IS ON THE HEADS OF ALL THOSE CROOKED LEFTIST POLITICIANS


6 posted on 05/30/2013 2:49:56 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: ConservativeInPA

To think I lived in LA for twenty years. Leaving there is akin to “Escape from NY City”.

I seriously despise these fools.


7 posted on 05/30/2013 2:50:02 PM PDT by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: ConservativeInPA

“Gun grabbing faggots.”

Quoted for truth and accuracy!


8 posted on 05/30/2013 2:51:25 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: 353FMG
With the leftwingtards prepping to prohibit even small caliber semi-automatics, remember that the state penalty for owning and using a machinegun will be no different.

I expect California will get plenty of what they're asking for. Then, with all those Mexicans wandering around the place nursing imaginary grievances, the legislature might even face a Spanish speaking armed insurrection.

9 posted on 05/30/2013 2:51:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ConservativeInPA

Poll at site: Should Brown sign the bills? 84% NO.


10 posted on 05/30/2013 2:52:16 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Californians who want to buy ammunition would have to submit personal information and a $50 fee for a background check by the state, under a bill passed by the Senate.

Let me guess: since there would then be a $50 fee to buy ammo, no one would ever buy single boxes ever again, but only by the case (to divide the cost of the fee). At which point, they can then be claimed to be 'stockpiling' and made subject to confiscation, etc.

11 posted on 05/30/2013 2:54:03 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: SkyDancer
How many gun manufacturers have left the state or are planning to?

I don't know if there are that many gun manufacturers in CA. I did a quick search and no really big names came up. I do know that there are a growing number of gun manufactures that will not sell weapons to CA law enforcement organizations.

12 posted on 05/30/2013 2:56:49 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I think that company that makes .50 cal guns. Barret(sp?) I think?


13 posted on 05/30/2013 2:58:43 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: MeganC

Not to be crude, but there is a subtle innuendo in that too. I just noticed it after your post :)


14 posted on 05/30/2013 2:59:30 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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15 posted on 05/30/2013 3:01:20 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SkyDancer
From last September:

An Open Letter From Ron Barrett - Barrett Firearms Manufacturing

Barrett cannot legally sell any of its products to lawbreakers. Therefore, since California's passing of AB50, the state is not in compliance with the US Constitution's 2nd and 14th Amendments, and we will not sell nor service any of our products to any government agency of the State of California.

Dear Fellow Citizens,

In the never-ending battle to destroy our constitution, more "big lie" propaganda is being dumped on our elected officials. The rhetoric given forth by the Violence Policy Center (VPC) so easily deceived the legislators of California, resulting in the banning of fifty caliber rifles because they are powerful and their bullets punch holes when they strike. Even single shot .50 cal rifles were banned. It's hard to believe we live in such a dark time that someone has actually banned a single shot rifle. But as you will see, this is the cleverest of all gun bans, and the end goal is civilian disarmament, the confiscation of your tools of liberty, your rifles.

What lies before us is the continuation of the misinformation campaign, trying to coax yet another state to infringe upon the U.S. Constitution as California did. The anti-freedom/anti-gun movement has discovered how transparent they appear when they propose sweeping gun bans and now are successful by biting off a little at a time. Ever so small, many politicians are trading off your rights without you recognizing their violations.

First we had the "Saturday Night Special" which was all affordable handguns, then "sniper rifles" which were any scoped deer rifles. Those were obvious, too big a scam to go unnoticed, but with the creation and demonization of the term "assault weapon," the Clinton's Crime bill produced a wasted 10-year setback on your freedoms and safe gun design. Now comes another scam. This time they are shocked to discover that rifles are "accurate and powerful."

This is the same bull the officials in the 1950's fell for when they banned the self-unfolding knife. First the knife was demonized by giving it an evil name, "switchblade," then we (the trusting public) were told that the problem of gang violence was solved with its banning. How ridiculous. It's surprising they didn't ban the leather jacket. In reality, gang violence was and is a serious social problem, but it was not related to manually unfolding verses self-unfolding knives. The elected officials voting to ban an object like a knife proved themselves unwilling or uncaring to understand the problem, and thus, incapable of any real solutions.

The handful of people that make up the VPC are solely responsible for the big lie on .50's, claiming fantastic destruction capabilities. They manipulate fear by claiming terrorists will use these rifles on targets of our infrastructure. "They will shut down our airports in flames" they claim. VPC's Tom Diaz refers to them as "super guns" lying to his dupable group of politicians, concealing the facts that there are many rifle cartridges that are comparable in performance (those will be added to the list in phase two). He is boldly telling these officials (and all who will listen) that the risk of terrorist attacks on these targets will be solved with the banning of powerful rifles, in this case, the .50 caliber rifle. In reality, terrorism is complex and will be defeated with improved intelligence. In this instance, the officials voting to ban an inanimate object like a rifle prove themselves to be ignorant of the problem of terrorism and are wasting time and resources.

You must understand the brilliance of this dangerous back door deception. Your politicians are being told that the fifty is a highly destructive cartridge that can destroy airplanes, fuel transport trucks and depot storages of fuel. They show videos like the one on 60 Minutes showing a 1/2 inch plate of steel being pierced by a .50 cal round while stopping a .308 caliber. This is all to confuse the people, those with little exposure to firearms; their impression concludes that the .50 punches holes in sensitive targets where other rifles cannot. Had they shot actual aluminum that is used on airplane construction, or aluminum or steel used in actual transport or tank construction, both the .50 and the .308 will pierce along with most all centerfire cartridges. But this, they must keep secret.

First, with the confusion of massive, (although incorrect) technical data and the hammering of urgency, the VPC demands a ban or strict regulations on rifles that chamber a cartridge that has the ability to penetrate targets. Sound ridiculous? It is.

VPC's Tom Diaz appears often on TV with maps of Washington, DC, irresponsibly instructing where to position one's self to illegally fire on vulnerable important targets of our government, promising these specific targets will be safe when .50's are banned. He pressures politicians to act quickly on this URGENT legislation needed to make these terrorist targets safe, hoping they will act before the VPC lies are discovered.

Now slow down. A ban on a rifle because the cartridge it shoots penetrates targets? By the legislation naming and defining the targets that are damageable by rifle fire, and in this case, .50 cal. rifle fire, they create a new class of rifles. This new class is not defined by such foolishness as detachable magazines, flash hiders, or pistol grips. Instead, the test is; does it fire a bullet that punches a hole, and can the hole result in damage to specified and named targets? If so, the law-abiding citizen shouldn't be allowed to have this, so they must ban this class of rifle before they can be misused. This is the very thing California has just passed!

"Now, we are only talking about those powerful .50 cals, right? It's such a small class, no one will mind or even notice." That's what the VPC's lies have lead you to believe. No, remember they are banning rifles because specific targets named in our infrastructure are susceptible to damage. Now tell me, what centerfire rifle cartridge won't punch holes in those targets? What centerfire rifle cartridge is not powerful? Not many or not any? So, in order to comply with the spirit and intent of the law, the Attorney General or State Secretary must add those cartridges to the banned list. The big lie is exposed. They aren't just talking about .50's. They're after your hunting rifles, centerfire target rifles-just about any rifle you own.

Unlike California, we cannot allow any of our local, state, or federal officials to be deceived with any of this "big lie" gun control propaganda. The U.S. has every gun law that could possibly be needed. Virtually every real world scenario of firearm abuse is already covered in some law that is currently on the books.

Many of you have inquired as to the outcome of the letter I wrote to Police Chief Bratten of the LAPD. Unfortunately, the chief's position did not change. He continued to use his officers in the same deceptive practices formerly utilized with the city council. These few officers testifying in Sacramento ultimately contributed to the unconstitutional AB50 law being passed. It saddened me to have to tell members of the LAPD SWAT team that they would have to send someone for their rifle, because I refused to assist anyone or any organization that is in violation of the United States Constitution. In turn, the department arranged to pick up their un-serviced rifle.

Barrett cannot legally sell any of its products to lawbreakers. Therefore, since California's passing of AB50, the state is not in compliance with the US Constitution's 2nd and 14th Amendments, and we will not sell nor service any of our products to any government agency of the State of California.

I appreciate all the phone calls and e-mails from LAPD officers and civilians during that time, encouraging and supporting our actions. We shall see if other firearms companies will follow this path. I know many are corporately owned and feel like they are unable to risk the life of their company for the liberties of our nation, but if we lose our Republic, our freedom, what good is any of it? I am in the proud and fortunate position that many of our forefathers were in when they risked all for our liberties.

"Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -Patrick Henry

This "ban large bore" insanity failed in Washington years ago, but that didn't discourage the VPC. Now it's resurfacing in city council meetings, in individual states, and it's being reintroduced in Washington. NRA-ILA Executive Director, Chris Cox, once told me "These (anti-freedom, anti-gun) guys never go away, and they never quit."

I've received thousands of e-mails and letters from you offering encouragement and support. Our Republic, our liberty, needs and demands your support. You must take action to guard your rights. First, find your State Senator and State Representative. Tell them not to fall for this scam. This lie depends on the elected official being naive about firearms and their capabilities. Stand ready to carry this same message to your U.S. Senator and Representatives. Know all of your elected officials' positions on gun issues. DO NOT ELECT ANY ANTI-GUN PERSON TO ANY POSITION!

Position yourself with me in the battles that we must fight. You need to join the NRA, the Fifty Caliber Shooters' Association, and the NSSF in order to stay informed. These people have been with me in the trenches, fighting for every inch of the liberty you enjoy.

Today we draw a line; there will be no more nibbling at our freedom. Today you stand idle no longer. Today you do something to save our country!

Ronnie Barrett
Owner and CEO Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc.

16 posted on 05/30/2013 3:03:21 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Good for them!


17 posted on 05/30/2013 3:04:45 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Interesting... the next Lexington & Concord moment could happen on the opposite side of the country.


18 posted on 05/30/2013 3:14:48 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: ConservativeInPA
California is controlled by democrat politicians.Democrats are all pure evil socialists/statists vermin

This is what democrats do when they get more control they go on a binge of statist/socialist oppression

19 posted on 05/30/2013 3:15:16 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Ditto that, too!!! (-:


20 posted on 05/30/2013 3:17:04 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: SkyDancer

I only found FMK in Placentia. Looks like they’ll have to move if they can’t manufacture.


21 posted on 05/30/2013 3:26:30 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey

Time to take up arms and oppose a repulsive and repressive state. A little revolution every once in a while is a good thing.

How did it ever come to this?


22 posted on 05/30/2013 3:33:15 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Mouton

“A little revolution every once in a while is a good thing.
How did it ever come to this?”

How? Because we haven’t had a little revolution every once in a while.


23 posted on 05/30/2013 3:37:54 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Doesn’t making thousands of gun owners criminals retro-actively violate some Ex Post Facto legal provision?


24 posted on 05/30/2013 3:38:11 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: ConservativeInPA

It is impossible to beat communists. They have California and the rest of the Country under their communists control and no way to stop it. So enjoy being a slave to the new America.


25 posted on 05/30/2013 3:42:06 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Democrat_media
California is controlled by democrat politicians.Democrats are all pure evil socialists/statists vermin.

They are not socialists/statists but pure communists with the purpose of a State type of dictatorship. Watch out for the police, No longer to protect and serve.

26 posted on 05/30/2013 3:46:43 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me
Yeah . look at the article today on this site about the Colorado democrats and what evil they are doing
27 posted on 05/30/2013 3:49:17 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Logical me

You know they are liberal when they are dancing in the blood of babies spewing their beliefs.

With a false tear and a smug grin.


28 posted on 05/30/2013 3:49:44 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: coloradan
Let me guess: since there would then be a $50 fee to buy ammo, no one would ever buy single boxes ever again, but only by the case (to divide the cost of the fee).

Nope. What will happen is that sales of ammo in CA will drop to almost nothing, and sales of ammo in Oregon, Nevada and Arizona will skyrocket. Take that to the bank. Also, more normal Americans will leave CA.
29 posted on 05/30/2013 4:39:15 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

For the rest of us, the people who live in semi-free states, the ammo available to us should increase.


30 posted on 05/30/2013 4:55:32 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: fr_freak
I've been able to find ammo in stock in Idaho. Nothing in rimfire, but small quantities of common rifle and handgun centerfire cartridges.
31 posted on 05/30/2013 5:15:38 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ConservativeInPA

I always figured that when the voters of Cali turned down Prop 15, (to ban handguns in California) back in 1982 it meant that all handguns were still legal no matter how many cartridges they held. To me, that means the firearm itself along with it’s magazines and ammo.

It appears the politicians have been working trying to find a way around the voter’s rejection of the handgun ban.


32 posted on 05/30/2013 5:46:30 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: muawiyah
remember that the state penalty for owning and using a machinegun will be no different.

Well, there you have it. I predict an ugly, ugly, ugly outcome from this.

33 posted on 05/30/2013 11:39:00 PM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: ConservativeInPA

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34 posted on 06/01/2013 6:15:30 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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