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Illinois House votes to allow residents to carry concealed guns
Chicago Tribune ^ | May 24, 2013 | Joanne Von Alroth

Posted on 05/25/2013 4:25:30 PM PDT by re_tail20

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1 posted on 05/25/2013 4:25:30 PM PDT by re_tail20
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We need to see the details of this Bill.


2 posted on 05/25/2013 4:29:49 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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How magnanimous of the Illinois House to “allow” their citizens to exercise a Constitutional Right, with some prodding by the Federal Court System.
3 posted on 05/25/2013 4:30:43 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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The interesting thing is that Governor Quinn, Senate President Cullerton, Cook County Board Chairwoman Preckwinkle, and Chicago Mayor Emanuel all oppose this House bill of Speaker Madigan’s.

Cullerton has threatened to block it, and Quinn has threatened to veto it.

If no bill is signed into law by June 9, and they adjourn next week, it will be de facto legal concealed carry anywhere in Illinois, even in Cook County and Chicago.

The coming week is going to be a great show. Start popping the popcorn.


4 posted on 05/25/2013 4:31:00 PM PDT by re_tail20
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This is hilarious, but as much as the newspaper implies that it is a done deal, page 2 says that neither the state senate nor the governor will agree to it.

Which should be fine with the Republicans, because they can now loudly say that they *tried* to pass a reasonable gun law, but the Democrats were too unreasonable to allow it.

And all the Republicans have to do now is hold out until June 9th, and Illinois will automatically become a gun liberty state, no matter *what* the Democrats do.

The cynical Rahm Emanuel, mayor of Chicago, has already seen what is going to happen, so has preemptively tried to claim credit when Chicago’s crime rate drops.


5 posted on 05/25/2013 4:33:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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Hopefully Quinn will veto it. Then we default to Contitutional carry here in Illinois.


6 posted on 05/25/2013 4:34:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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There are two things I know about it.

One is that it is a “shall issue” instead of a “may issue”, as long as the applicant passes a background check and pays a fee.

Two is that if the applicant is denied by the Illinois State Police, that applicant can appeal the rejection to a newly created Board designed to examine rejections, instead of to the Illinois State Police, which did the rejecting in the first place.


7 posted on 05/25/2013 4:37:32 PM PDT by re_tail20
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I agree for the most part. Started out more like may issue and morphed to shall issue. Hope somewhere in the bill it doesn’t give lawmakers a loophole of some sort to revert to may issue. In IL, of course, that would mean contributing heavily to the correct party in order to even be considered. Would leave me and all of my patriot friends unable to obtain a permit.


8 posted on 05/25/2013 4:43:10 PM PDT by RonInNaples
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I was thinking the same thing.
It really is MIGHTY WHITE OF THEM.


9 posted on 05/25/2013 5:11:48 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Government lies, then the media lies to cover up the government lies.)
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It is a really bad shall issue bill, almost as bad as Ohio’s shall issue was to start with.

The plus side is that it may be the best that can be had, given the circumstances.

Constitutional carry holds promise, but would have to be fought for in each city and suburb of Chicago in the courts.


10 posted on 05/25/2013 5:17:14 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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One is that it is a “shall issue” instead of a “may issue”, as long as the applicant passes a background check and pays a fee.

Would that we could get that in California.

11 posted on 05/25/2013 5:24:43 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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It has to go through the Senate. Gov. Quinn will likely ("court mandate? What court mandate?") veto.

Will we have a carry law June 9? Remains to be seen.

12 posted on 05/25/2013 5:25:45 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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Actually it'll be de-facto OPEN CARRY in Illinois if Quinn veto's the bill and the State Legislature fails to over-ride the veto.

At least that's my understanding, I may be wrong. Even though I live in the People's Socialist HELL HOLE called Illinois, I haven't been following this issue very closely - hasn't made sense to really. Nothing's going to happen until it gets down to the last minute anyway.

I'm guessing when push comes to shove, the Illinois State Legislature will find the votes to over-ride a Quinn veto. But that's just my best guess.

13 posted on 05/25/2013 5:28:44 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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One is that it is a “shall issue” instead of a “may issue”, as long as the applicant passes a background check and pays a fee.

I thought they also inserted a "safety course" requirement into the bill, or did that get pulled back out?

14 posted on 05/25/2013 5:30:05 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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If this passes will Chicago move to Canada?


15 posted on 05/25/2013 5:31:17 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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Hopefully Quinn will veto it. Then we default to Contitutional carry here in Illinois.

That does appear to be the best scenario. Did you read the article the other day that Quinn and Emmanuel wanted the bill to have a "local jurisdiction" clause, giving every municipality the power to draft their own conceal-carry ordinances?

Can you imagine the cluster-doodle that'd create? Just imagine being legally carrying in your home town, but never knowing whether or not you're legally carrying as you traverse municipal boundaries in the state. Yep, that was Quinn's way of making it impossible to legally conceal-carry in the state. Surely the Federal Appeal's court would've shot that down if the state legislature passed it and Quinn signed it.

I hope each and every one of these a-holes running this state genuinely fear for their lives after June 9th. It's serve them right for the absolute mess they've created.

16 posted on 05/25/2013 5:33:53 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Either Chicago moves to Canada, or I say we cut it out from the rest of Illinois, kick it out into the middle of Lake Michigan, and shoot anyone who makes it back to shore...


17 posted on 05/25/2013 5:36:30 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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It does appear much of IL will have some form of CCW, but mark my words, Chicago will find a way to thwart it.


18 posted on 05/25/2013 5:40:56 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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19 posted on 05/25/2013 5:42:21 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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but mark my words, Chicago will find a way to thwart it.

Good, them city idiots better stay in Chitcago then and stay the hell out of the suburbs/collar counties! Keep their trashy behavior where it belongs.

20 posted on 05/25/2013 5:44:25 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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