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Illinois House votes to allow residents to carry concealed guns
Chicago Tribune ^ | May 24, 2013 | Joanne Von Alroth

Posted on 05/25/2013 4:25:30 PM PDT by re_tail20

The Illinois House of Representatives on Friday voted overwhelmingly to allow residents to carry concealed guns, taking the state one step closer to joining all others in allowing some form of carrying guns in public.

Illinois is the only state in the nation to ban most people from carrying a concealed gun outside the home. Lawmakers acted on Friday after a federal appeals court in January struck down the ban, saying it violated the right to bear arms enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. The court gave the state six months to pass a new law that would be constitutional.

The National Rifle Association stayed silent on the proposal in order to avoid antagonizing some lawmakers who did not want to be seen voting for a plan backed by the gun lobby.

But if the proposal backed by powerful Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan becomes law, it would achieve the NRA's longtime goal of ending the Illinois ban and making some form of concealed carry legal in all 50 states.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gunsconcealed; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 05/25/2013 4:25:30 PM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

We need to see the details of this Bill.


2 posted on 05/25/2013 4:29:49 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: re_tail20
How magnanimous of the Illinois House to “allow” their citizens to exercise a Constitutional Right, with some prodding by the Federal Court System.
3 posted on 05/25/2013 4:30:43 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: re_tail20

The interesting thing is that Governor Quinn, Senate President Cullerton, Cook County Board Chairwoman Preckwinkle, and Chicago Mayor Emanuel all oppose this House bill of Speaker Madigan’s.

Cullerton has threatened to block it, and Quinn has threatened to veto it.

If no bill is signed into law by June 9, and they adjourn next week, it will be de facto legal concealed carry anywhere in Illinois, even in Cook County and Chicago.

The coming week is going to be a great show. Start popping the popcorn.


4 posted on 05/25/2013 4:31:00 PM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

This is hilarious, but as much as the newspaper implies that it is a done deal, page 2 says that neither the state senate nor the governor will agree to it.

Which should be fine with the Republicans, because they can now loudly say that they *tried* to pass a reasonable gun law, but the Democrats were too unreasonable to allow it.

And all the Republicans have to do now is hold out until June 9th, and Illinois will automatically become a gun liberty state, no matter *what* the Democrats do.

The cynical Rahm Emanuel, mayor of Chicago, has already seen what is going to happen, so has preemptively tried to claim credit when Chicago’s crime rate drops.


5 posted on 05/25/2013 4:33:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: re_tail20

Hopefully Quinn will veto it. Then we default to Contitutional carry here in Illinois.


6 posted on 05/25/2013 4:34:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

There are two things I know about it.

One is that it is a “shall issue” instead of a “may issue”, as long as the applicant passes a background check and pays a fee.

Two is that if the applicant is denied by the Illinois State Police, that applicant can appeal the rejection to a newly created Board designed to examine rejections, instead of to the Illinois State Police, which did the rejecting in the first place.


7 posted on 05/25/2013 4:37:32 PM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

I agree for the most part. Started out more like may issue and morphed to shall issue. Hope somewhere in the bill it doesn’t give lawmakers a loophole of some sort to revert to may issue. In IL, of course, that would mean contributing heavily to the correct party in order to even be considered. Would leave me and all of my patriot friends unable to obtain a permit.


8 posted on 05/25/2013 4:43:10 PM PDT by RonInNaples
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To: Yo-Yo

I was thinking the same thing.
It really is MIGHTY WHITE OF THEM.


9 posted on 05/25/2013 5:11:48 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Government lies, then the media lies to cover up the government lies.)
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To: Tupelo; All

It is a really bad shall issue bill, almost as bad as Ohio’s shall issue was to start with.

The plus side is that it may be the best that can be had, given the circumstances.

Constitutional carry holds promise, but would have to be fought for in each city and suburb of Chicago in the courts.


10 posted on 05/25/2013 5:17:14 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: re_tail20
One is that it is a “shall issue” instead of a “may issue”, as long as the applicant passes a background check and pays a fee.

Would that we could get that in California.

11 posted on 05/25/2013 5:24:43 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: re_tail20
It has to go through the Senate. Gov. Quinn will likely ("court mandate? What court mandate?") veto.

Will we have a carry law June 9? Remains to be seen.

12 posted on 05/25/2013 5:25:45 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: re_tail20
Actually it'll be de-facto OPEN CARRY in Illinois if Quinn veto's the bill and the State Legislature fails to over-ride the veto.

At least that's my understanding, I may be wrong. Even though I live in the People's Socialist HELL HOLE called Illinois, I haven't been following this issue very closely - hasn't made sense to really. Nothing's going to happen until it gets down to the last minute anyway.

I'm guessing when push comes to shove, the Illinois State Legislature will find the votes to over-ride a Quinn veto. But that's just my best guess.

13 posted on 05/25/2013 5:28:44 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: re_tail20
One is that it is a “shall issue” instead of a “may issue”, as long as the applicant passes a background check and pays a fee.

I thought they also inserted a "safety course" requirement into the bill, or did that get pulled back out?

14 posted on 05/25/2013 5:30:05 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: re_tail20

If this passes will Chicago move to Canada?


15 posted on 05/25/2013 5:31:17 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Lurker
Hopefully Quinn will veto it. Then we default to Contitutional carry here in Illinois.

That does appear to be the best scenario. Did you read the article the other day that Quinn and Emmanuel wanted the bill to have a "local jurisdiction" clause, giving every municipality the power to draft their own conceal-carry ordinances?

Can you imagine the cluster-doodle that'd create? Just imagine being legally carrying in your home town, but never knowing whether or not you're legally carrying as you traverse municipal boundaries in the state. Yep, that was Quinn's way of making it impossible to legally conceal-carry in the state. Surely the Federal Appeal's court would've shot that down if the state legislature passed it and Quinn signed it.

I hope each and every one of these a-holes running this state genuinely fear for their lives after June 9th. It's serve them right for the absolute mess they've created.

16 posted on 05/25/2013 5:33:53 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: morphing libertarian

Either Chicago moves to Canada, or I say we cut it out from the rest of Illinois, kick it out into the middle of Lake Michigan, and shoot anyone who makes it back to shore...


17 posted on 05/25/2013 5:36:30 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: re_tail20

It does appear much of IL will have some form of CCW, but mark my words, Chicago will find a way to thwart it.


18 posted on 05/25/2013 5:40:56 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: re_tail20

19 posted on 05/25/2013 5:42:21 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: umgud
but mark my words, Chicago will find a way to thwart it.

Good, them city idiots better stay in Chitcago then and stay the hell out of the suburbs/collar counties! Keep their trashy behavior where it belongs.

20 posted on 05/25/2013 5:44:25 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: umgud

Just like DC has.


21 posted on 05/25/2013 5:46:39 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: umgud

Let them try. The Appeals Court will shoot them down, figuratively speaking of course.


22 posted on 05/25/2013 5:48:09 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

When did Arkansas go Constitutional Carry this year? I was unaware that it had.


23 posted on 05/25/2013 5:48:11 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yup, it’s about as hard to get a gun post Heller in DC.


24 posted on 05/25/2013 5:49:13 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: umgud

I hear this from the cosmopolitan libbie lightweights or regular denizons of gotham city. They can’t fathom anyone be able to carry a gun in Chicago and fear creeps in their eyes, claiming it will be murder den — As if 500+ killings last year in the south and west side slime pits didn’t happen. Oh, but those were poor blacks, so who cares right libbie bigots and Chicago cosmo elitist hypocrites?

This will be hilarious to watch these city lemmings deal with Constitutional carry. The unintended consequences of living in a liberal fascist state where they wanted to play hardball and continue to desecrate the Constitution. Chicago and other cities will immediately put down edicts, diktats banning scary guns, pee wee knives, slingshots per usual, which will mean nothing once in court as to expect a citizen to pass through each city adapting to changing gun codes is a farce. Innocent citizens practicing their natural right of self defense will be exonerated.


25 posted on 05/25/2013 5:52:02 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: marktwain

Yes, it’s a bad shall issue bill. A horrible infringement on the 2A, with blatant unconstitutional limits on the right to keep and bear arms. And it’s far from even being passed.

But it is a shall issue bill.
And it preempts home rule. [Chicago’s “assault weapon” ban, magazine limit, firearm registration, ammunition restrictions, & Chicago Firearm Permit all suffer summary execution if this bill becomes law.]

I am not happy, but will accept, this bill. It is a basis for establishing and growing the 2A in this socialist hellhole.

Nor I will not cry if Rahm kills this bill, either. We won’t have constitutional carry (despite what you read). But the vast majority of the state will be free of the yoke of Cook county. And then Cook/Chicago will spend years squandering their EBT funds in the courts.


26 posted on 05/25/2013 5:59:42 PM PDT by RugerMini14
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Coming this July.


27 posted on 05/25/2013 6:01:56 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: re_tail20

Full text of the cc act as passed by the House is here:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/98/SB/09800SB2193ham001.htm

As for Quinn and Rham-bow, if you follow the discussion at illinoiscarry.com, the best theory (I think) is that Quinn wants to sabotage the act so Lisa has to deal with the default to Constitutional Carry on June 9th. But if Quinn could get the Senate to stall it, Lisa has given herself enough time to file cert and push the whole thing into limbo while SCOTUS decides the matter. But that could go badly, and Daddy Madigan is, we believe, trying to hand her a clean slate for her gubernatorial bid, so both he and she want this done before the June 9th deadline.

This bill, BTW is Madigan’s creation, and he gave a speech Friday which suggests he is solidly behind it. No surprise, really, in that. But what is a bit surprising is he managed to kill Cullerton’s Senate alternative, which, by all accounts was much worse. And he had to do that by pulling dem senators away from Cullerton. He’s the Speaker of the House? How did he do that? Anyway, it’s Madigan senior vs Cullerton, and Madigan (Lisa) vs Quinn, a huge power struggle, in which I would, if I were a betting man (and I am not), would put all my chips on Madigan winning both contests.


28 posted on 05/25/2013 6:10:31 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: TheBigJ

I did some checking and you are correct!

Arkansas to Become a Constitutional Carry State in July 2013
http://kygl.com/arkansas-to-become-a-constitutional-carry-state-in-july-2013/
In July Arkansas will become the fifth State to allow constitutional carry. Which means the second amendment is the only permit you need to carry a firearm, concealed or otherwise.

Sponsored by Representative Danny Altes from Ft. Smith, Act 746 sailed through state government with only one no vote, and was signed by Governor Beebe on April 4, 2013.

Constitutional Carry essentially means the State has no laws to limit you carrying a firearm. Basically the only justification that you will need to carry a firearm, concealed or not, is the United States Constitution.

In most states, to carry a concealed firearm, you must have a permit, but in a Constitutional Carry state, the burden of proof falls on prosecutors to prove you were carrying the gun with criminal intent.

Another thing that Act 746 does is decriminalize the firing of a gun in self-defense. Before it was illegal to carry a firearm with the intent of harming another person, which meant that if you fired a gun at a person in self-defense it would be illegal. The new law changes that wording to say it is illegal to carry a firearm with the intent of UNLAWFULLY using it on another person.

Other states that allow Constitutional Carry are Alaska, Vermont, Wyoming, and Arizona. There are some parts of Idaho, Montana, Illinois, and New Mexico that also allow Constitutional Carry.

Expect some confusion to start, as the law has never been tested in an Arkansas court, and law enforcement officers from different agencies may have different interpretations of the law to start out, and it may take a bit of time to get everybody on the same page, but still, this is a major victory for gun owners rights in the Natural State.

I don’t recall seeing news of this being posted on FR.


29 posted on 05/25/2013 6:13:09 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: TheBigJ

I’m looking forward to seeing Constitutional Carry for all States.


30 posted on 05/25/2013 6:13:50 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Yes, beyond the 2A aspects, this bill is a wonderful dilemma for the Illinois Democratic party. If the 2A gets screwed, downstate Illinois might flip much more solidly to the Republicans.

Speaker Madigan is trying to get his daughter elected Governor. He realizes that will never happen if she runs as a gun grabber (she can’t run left of Quinn). So he is forced (for the time being) to ally with the NRA/ISRA. Speaker Madigan is utter vermin, as is Lisa Madigan. But for the moment he is compelled to recognize political reality.


31 posted on 05/25/2013 6:15:44 PM PDT by RugerMini14
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To: Lurker

Hopefully your voters and polidiots send a message that Chicago does not speak for all of Illinoisans !

Is Illinoisan even a word ?....:o)

Illinoian maybe.... Off subject , got to go look that up.

Good luck Marine ! Stay safe !


32 posted on 05/25/2013 6:18:38 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: marktwain; RugerMini14
The plus side is that it may be the best that can be had, given the circumstances.

Small steps, small steps. All these anti-gun laws didn't appear overnight, they were incrementally implemented. We can use the same tactics in reverse. Whatever restrictions they add, we counter with stuff like CCWs allowed on school yards, restaurants, parks, etc.

33 posted on 05/25/2013 6:18:47 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Squantos

I live in the strangest State. Believe it or not it’s the “downstate” rural Dems who are giving the Chicago crowd fits over this. Once you get south of I80 folks become downright....normal here in IL.

The Chicago Dems are fit to be tied over this. Those downstate ones are under tremendous pressure from their constituents to pass a clean, shall issue bill. And Qunn, well, he’s every bit as stupid as he seems. My hope is that he does veto this Bill. The it’s Constitutional carry State wide. That will make Rahm and his Chicago goons wet their pantaloons.


34 posted on 05/25/2013 6:23:25 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: usconservative

If the state passes this won’tthecity pols have a grop seizure


35 posted on 05/25/2013 6:34:32 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Squantos

Yes, “Illinoisan” is a word. You just don’t pronounce the “s.”

And yes, I think our politicians have a better appreciation of the energy still here for constitutional rights. Although some still do not get it. Acevedo was demagoging right up to the last minute (paraphrasing) “guns are not for the people, only for police, etc.”, And Rep Welch suggested the supporters of the bill were racist because supposedly they neglect Hispanic input to the bill. Unbelievable. Sigh. Go Illini.


36 posted on 05/25/2013 6:35:50 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Lurker

Just asking but why if the gov vetoes this bill does constitutional carry become automatic ?

Seems like a win win if he vetoes this bill in question and or does not veto the bill in question....

Sure would like constitutional carry here in Texas... Open carry is on the table this legislature session yet I am lucky enough to already have a CHL and work related CCW credentials as well.... But those will go away with retirement in a few years...:o)

Stay safe !


37 posted on 05/25/2013 6:46:45 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Polidiots and presstitutes are liars ... You and most here already know that. They will spin this as usual.

Thanks for the word smithing education... Stay safe !


38 posted on 05/25/2013 6:48:32 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos
Just asking but why if the gov vetoes this bill does constitutional carry become automatic ?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/federal-court-strikes-down-illinois-ban-on-carrying-concealed-weapons/

Illinois is under a court order. If the legislature can't come up with something to (somewhat) recognize the 2A the state (felony) anti-carry laws are void. This throws everything into limbo, since Illinois has "home rule" whereby any city of sufficient size can pass their own restrictions. These restrictions are only misdemeanors at most, and also subject to court challenge.

It would be fun to watch if you didn't live here.

39 posted on 05/25/2013 6:57:55 PM PDT by RugerMini14
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To: re_tail20

I hope they get this passed, but I don’t see it happening.

People should automatically have this right!


40 posted on 05/25/2013 7:08:32 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: RugerMini14

Wow... Grateful for the info.

You stay safe !

Thanks again.


41 posted on 05/25/2013 7:17:35 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; All
AR:Constitutional Carry will be the Law in Arkansas

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3012035/posts

The New Media Strikes!

42 posted on 05/25/2013 7:19:49 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Squantos

It becomes automatic because the Circuit Court of Appeals gave the State until the 9th of June to write and pass a Statute that passes Constitutional muster. If they fail to do so all laws in Illinois against carrying concealed become null and void. So at 12:01 AM on 10 June 2013 there will be no laws against concealed carry in Illinois whatsoever.

That’s the ideal situation in my view. No need to ask our “betters” for permission, pay fees, take mandatory training, or anything else.

Like I said, I live in very, very strange State. Hope that clears things up.

Stay well my friend.


43 posted on 05/25/2013 7:29:15 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Does.... Have a good evening. I’m headed for some sleep....nite !


44 posted on 05/25/2013 7:34:47 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: morphing libertarian

LORD I HOPE SO! One collective grand maul to take ‘em all would be nice!!


45 posted on 05/25/2013 7:43:43 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: RugerMini14
Illinois has "home rule" whereby any city of sufficient size can pass their own restrictions. These restrictions are only misdemeanors at most, and also subject to court challenge.

Correct, and I *think* Home Rule is what Quinn was referring to the other day when he said (quite "stupidly") that he wanted a law passed that enabled each municipality to pass it's own "conceal/carry" ordinances.

That's just absurd! Imagine legally conceal/carrying in your hometown, but violating some obscure ordinance that you had no way of knowing about the minute you cross municipal borders!

The insanity!

46 posted on 05/25/2013 7:50:40 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Lurker
My brother in law and I are having an argument over this one ... will it be conceal/carry on June 10th if the State Legislature does nothing, or will it be OPEN carry?

For some reason, he has OPEN carry stuck in his head. My understanding is we'll have conceal/carry by default.

Which is it?

47 posted on 05/25/2013 7:55:14 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Tupelo
was thinking the same thing.
It really is MIGHTY WHITE OF THEM.

Uh, Mrs. Cooper, we don't say that.


48 posted on 05/25/2013 7:56:49 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: usconservative

Since only the law against concealed carry we’re found un-Constitutlional only concealed carry will be legal.


49 posted on 05/25/2013 7:58:32 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Thanks!


50 posted on 05/25/2013 8:02:31 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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