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Vote could 'gut' famed Boy Scout program
www.wnd.com ^ | may/24/2013 | staff

Posted on 05/23/2013 5:05:03 AM PDT by kimtom

a historic vote on the agenda that could change the iconic organization’s century-old policy and allow avowed homosexuals, some 1,400 Boy Scout leaders from across the nation who form the National Council have gathered in Grapevine, Texas.

A final vote is scheduled for Thursday on a proposal that would allow openly homosexual scouts but retain the ban on adult homosexual scout leaders.

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In the BSA’s official “Voice of the Scout” survey, which indicates a change in policy would prompt a mass exodus of scouts and leaders, respondents supported the current policy by a supermajority of 61 percent to 34 percent.

The Scouts count more than 2.7 million members and more than 1 million volunteers.

The resolution is a revision of a proposal issued in January that would have allowed local troops to decide whether or not to accept openly homosexual members and leaders. ..

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KEYWORDS: americanboys; attackingtraditions; boyscouts; bsa; demoralizingus; homosexualagenda; marxism; nwo; sourcetitlenoturl
Another institution being destroyed.
1 posted on 05/23/2013 5:05:04 AM PDT by kimtom
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To: kimtom
A vote allowing mentally ill child predators access to children will be suicide for the Boy Scouts.

Tragic for the future of children and young men everywhere.

2 posted on 05/23/2013 5:15:58 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: kimtom

My granddaughters belong to American Heritage Girls (www.ahgonline.org), a “Judeo-Christian focused” group. Formed in 1995 they seem to have grown to good numbers with a significant presence in Northern VA. Might there be a similar group formed of those who will become disillusioned with a reformed BSA?


3 posted on 05/23/2013 5:16:46 AM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: kimtom

Certainly adult supervision by Homosexuals in the boy scouts can be argued against easily.

But the argument not to let openly homosexual boys is not so easily won.

But let us remember that boys as old as 17 can be scouts.
I believe that is the age I am not certain.

Do you really believe a 17 year old openly homosexual scout should be camping with your 12 year old?

I sure don’t.

If the scouts allow open homosexual to remain in scouting they may as well close their doors.


4 posted on 05/23/2013 5:17:43 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: kimtom

And the sad thing is, once they pull that trigger, and Scouting implodes. . . they’re going to blame it on the “haters”. . .


5 posted on 05/23/2013 5:18:02 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Venturer

Many of the kids are HINO. Claiming to be gay is just a way to get attention. My gay Scout became gay when his family life imploded. He is very popular with girls and I think he has succumbed to that now.

I’d rather know if they think they are gay. Ignorance is not bliss in that instance.


6 posted on 05/23/2013 5:21:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: kimtom
RE :”a historic vote on the agenda that could change the iconic organization’s century-old policy and allow avowed homosexuals, some 1,400 Boy Scout leaders from across the nation who form the National Council have gathered in Grapevine, Texas”

A way the boy scouts could resolve this is to ‘allow’ members (boy scouts) who are gay to join, as long as they renounce homosexual behavior/lifestyle as immoral.

The problem becomes when you make certain specific behavior a civil right based on minority status that is solely based on feelings (the victims)

7 posted on 05/23/2013 5:21:14 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Venturer

If they vote homos out, then they get a little bad publicity (who cares), and lose 10-15%enrollment.
(small price)
But, if they adopt Homos in at any level, a bigger percentage will leave say 20-60%???
I doubt the program would ever again be effective growth tool.

the purpose here , my opinion, is really just that....to destroy another institution founded on principles.....


8 posted on 05/23/2013 5:34:42 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: sickoflibs
If they were courageous in the least, they would simply state the obvious...that H-mo behavior is inconsistent and an affront to Scout values and traditions. A Scout is to maintain and cultivate his physical strength (physical fitness), mental alertness (mental fitness), and morality (moral fitness).
9 posted on 05/23/2013 5:38:32 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: kimtom
No different than allowing normal adolescent boys & girls to sleep in the same tent.

How appropriate would that be?

10 posted on 05/23/2013 5:43:02 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: jimfree

American Heritage Boys?


11 posted on 05/23/2013 5:43:34 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Venturer

I think that there are no queer 11 year olds. Therefore, there are no queers becoming scouts at 11

A boy is a scout until 18. At 18 he becomes an adult and an assistant scoutmaster. In most troops that doesn’t happen frequently because boys drop out around 15.

In large troops there is a cadre of older boys that are participants in various high adventure activities and programs. They are the troop backbone and leadership.It would be my thought that the few queer scouts would gravitate to one of these troops. That is, there would eventually be troops that are queer.


12 posted on 05/23/2013 5:43:46 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Obama Denies Role in Government)
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To: kimtom

I would say about 60+% would immediately resign from the Scouts.


13 posted on 05/23/2013 5:44:43 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: kimtom

I suppose the phrase “morally straight” will have to be removed from the Boy Scout pledge.


14 posted on 05/23/2013 5:44:56 AM PDT by plangent
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To: kimtom
Another institution being destroyed

that's the plan.

15 posted on 05/23/2013 5:45:58 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I would hope so


16 posted on 05/23/2013 5:46:16 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: TheGunny
RE :”If they were courageous in the least, they would simply state the obvious...that H-mo behavior is inconsistent and an affront to Scout values and traditions. A Scout is to maintain and cultivate his physical strength (physical fitness), mental alertness (mental fitness), and morality (moral fitness).

That is what I getting at, 20 years ago conservatives would argue that they are not against any types people (for who they are), but against certain behaviors and beliefs.

But now its seems that all (publicly known) Conservatives have surrendered on gays and gay lifestyle.
Their lame last ditch position now goes something like :
I have nothing against gays and believe in equality too, but I sill believe that marriage is between a man and a woman because that is what my parents taught me

Weak argument that is really not one.

17 posted on 05/23/2013 5:46:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Do nothing Boy Scouts.

Do not change.

I’m serious. Remain true to your past.


18 posted on 05/23/2013 5:48:25 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: kimtom
A final vote is scheduled for Thursday on a proposal that would allow openly homosexual scouts but retain the ban on adult homosexual scout leaders.

How can you justify homosexuals in one without allowing it in the other? The Scouts fought a long legal battle to safeguard their right to admit who they want to. They shouldn't toss all that away.

19 posted on 05/23/2013 5:48:41 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: TexasCajun
No different than allowing normal adolescent boys & girls to sleep in the same tent

You mean like the UK Scouts apparently do?

20 posted on 05/23/2013 5:54:31 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The gays have won, conservatives have abandoned the fight....only one side argues...


21 posted on 05/23/2013 5:55:45 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Start local hiking, camping and wilderness clubs without a national organization. Who needs the national organization anyway? The books and guidelines are out there. We don’t need any new ones. Why can’t scout leaders in every town just abandon the national organization and start their own local clubs without a centralized bureaucracy? So we won’t have Philmont. For now... But do we really need Philmont?

There are probably 50 to 100 bureaucrats at the top of the national organization. Few of them have probably ever been on a hike. Who needs them!?!


22 posted on 05/23/2013 5:56:19 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
see :#17
23 posted on 05/23/2013 5:56:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

It is frankly shocking to me, how far the Boy Scouts have fallen, in such a short time.

Maybe I just do not get it.

I see the organization I have most looked up to continually throughout my entire lifetime, surrendering.

For what? Boy Scouts stop quitting.

Remain firm. You have had the right idea now for generations.

Stop worrying about public opinion.


24 posted on 05/23/2013 6:05:12 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: jimfree
IMHO, BSA troops will break away from the national organization, and form local organizations. For example, there are 5 excellent BSA troops in my community, all affiliated with churches. It would be natural for them to create a partnership within the community, while retaining the affiliation to their church.

My son's troop has plenty of activities independent of the national organization.

BTW, American Heritage Girls is booming in this community.

We're holding our fire until the votes have been counted. However, there's been plenty of discussion behind the scene.

25 posted on 05/23/2013 6:11:27 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: kimtom
It is the sexual deviants who are the bullies.
26 posted on 05/23/2013 6:11:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: kimtom

Another victim of the Communist “Long March Through the Institutions.”

http://21pronto.com/long_march.htm


27 posted on 05/23/2013 6:12:26 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

bump


28 posted on 05/23/2013 6:14:19 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: kimtom

With the military now openly embracing homosexuality on Obama’s watch, the Boy Scouts are the last and final bastion of moral strength in America - thus, they need to be destroyed at all costs.


29 posted on 05/23/2013 6:16:11 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Night Hides Not

But you’d miss out on all the coolest stuff the Scouts have to offer. All the high adventure stuff - Philmont, Seabase, etc. I’m saying my prayers that the Scouts survive this. I can tell you that while there is close to 50/50 sentiment on this vote from our council (Cradle of Liberty Philadelphia area), very few, if any, will leave if the ban is left in place.


30 posted on 05/23/2013 6:16:31 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: duckworth
“Start local hiking, camping and wilderness clubs without a national organization. Who needs the national organization anyway?”

It's high time communities take back youth programs. De-fund those national organizations that have an anti-family agenda.

School intramural sports programs instead of the status quot sports programs would also keep students off the streets, develop character, and sportsmanship. Presently thousands of dollars are spent on a handful of students at the expense of the rest of the student body, who sit on the sidelines.

31 posted on 05/23/2013 6:25:47 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
'It is frankly shocking to me, how far the Boy Scouts have fallen, in such a short time." Look how far America has fallen in 4½yrs, since 0marxist got into office. And he's got another 3½yrs to finish the job. We're not going to recover from the damage he and his minions have wrought, for 2-3 generations, if then.
32 posted on 05/23/2013 6:37:29 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Venturer

What do they mean by openly homosexual? Does a boy have to be marching with a sign that says “I’m here and I’m queer, get used to it!”? I don’t see how sexuality figures in that much to what the Boy Scouts do. As part of their pledge to be “morally straight” they are expected to be chaste/abstinent. I would venture further to say that includes not discussing sex in a crude or vulgar way—whether it be heterosexual or otherwise.

What is the policy now? Is it a variation of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”? If a boy doesn’t state anything about his sexuality is he not questioned about it?


33 posted on 05/23/2013 6:37:46 AM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: carriage_hill

It’s more than just Obama.

Look how REPUBLICANS have sent jobs overseas, also.

We have two parties, both of which are working full-time to collapse America, by offshoring our formerly world-leading manufacturing base.

The Boy Scouts have remained true. Until now, anyway.


34 posted on 05/23/2013 6:44:16 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: kimtom
On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country, and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake  and morally straight 


If the homo dhimmis manage to browbeat enough spineless cowards to pass this, I will never again recommend Scouting to any boy or family !

35 posted on 05/23/2013 6:57:29 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: plangent

No, “morally straight” can stay because homosexuals consider themselves highly “moral” and would not object to the terminology.


36 posted on 05/23/2013 7:04:18 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Theodore R.

Nothing moral about another male wanting to have anal intercourse with another man, much less a child, and that’s what these perverted bastards want. The members of the Boy Scouts don’t want this garbage and if the board votes it in it will be exactly the same as some liberal judge saying queer marriage is fine, although the voters of a particular state voted it down.


37 posted on 05/23/2013 7:25:27 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: jimfree
My granddaughters belong to American Heritage Girls.... Might there be a similar group formed of those who will become disillusioned with a reformed BSA?

You don't get it. If an American Heritage-type group rose to prominence as the preeminent youth organization in the U.S., the pedophile/fags would attack it with exactly the same venom as they do the Boy Scouts. They want NO organization to exist which espouses moral values.

The Boy Scouts may be the last stand.

38 posted on 05/23/2013 7:37:08 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: kimtom
If they vote homos out, then they get a little bad publicity (who cares), and lose 10-15%enrollment. (small price) But, if they adopt Homos in at any level, a bigger percentage will leave say 20-60%??? I doubt the program would ever again be effective growth tool.

Losing the most-left-wing 10% would likely strengthen the Scouts over the long term. Over the short-term, they would have to endure charges of being "homophobic" and increasing sanctions by the powers-that-be, which would include prohibitions against public schools having any association with scouting activities.

Do not be surprised if there's a movement to have scouting being considered a negative factor by college recruiters and employers.

39 posted on 05/23/2013 7:50:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Burkean

Sexuality should not enter into the boy scout theme.

Put queers in it and it will. That is the point.

You know what openly homosexual is the same as I do. trying to define what is openly homosexual is a cop out.

Don’t ask, Don’t tell? Not a bad idea. IMO.

But catch one telling or acting and he is out.


40 posted on 05/23/2013 7:56:55 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: bert

The 16,17, 18 y.o. homosexual scout is even more dangerous than a Homo scout leader.

He should be out at the first sign of sexual aggressiveness toward the younger kids.


41 posted on 05/23/2013 8:01:43 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer
If we OBEYED God, we would not have this problem.
Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.
Someone once asked The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE". And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.
42 posted on 05/23/2013 8:05:08 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Venturer

Boy Scouts are supposed to be of high moral value and child that is into sex in the first place could be argued against and certainly any child into deviant sex shouldn’t be there.


43 posted on 05/23/2013 8:08:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: fwdude
You don't get it. If an American Heritage-type group rose to prominence as the preeminent youth organization in the U.S., the pedophile/fags would attack it with exactly the same venom as they do the Boy Scouts. They want NO organization to exist which espouses moral values.

I get it indeed. I've stood up among my leftist friends and said I won't tolerate the slander (referring to much of the press and conversation). The pendulum will swing and they had better stand clear or get their effing teeth smashed by it.

44 posted on 05/23/2013 8:13:35 AM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

They’re just flip sides of the same coin. The GOPe is the “away jersey” of the lib-dems.


45 posted on 05/23/2013 8:28:43 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: PapaBear3625

“...factor by college recruiters and employers....”

Like Jr ROTC in high schools......

Thanks


46 posted on 05/23/2013 8:48:31 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: CodeToad

Every boy from 14 on is into sex in some form.

It’s part of puberty.

What the boy scouts don’t need is boys into sex with boys.


47 posted on 05/23/2013 9:02:26 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I don’t think they should even use the term “openly homosexual” unless they define it. Being openly any kind of -sexual is contrary to the Boy Scout pledge, at least for unmarried individuals.

I think they should focus on the abstinence and celibacy part of their creed and the details will take care of themselves.


48 posted on 05/23/2013 9:15:30 AM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: 0.E.O
How can you justify homosexuals in one without allowing it in the other?

You can't, which is why the Gaystapo settled on this "compromise." It will be de facto unenforceable.

49 posted on 05/23/2013 9:17:21 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: kimtom

Shouldn’t there be a live thread for this today?


50 posted on 05/23/2013 10:05:19 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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