Senate panel approves immigration bill

WFAA.com ^ | 5/21/2013 | DAVID ESPO and ERICA WERNER

[blueyon]

WASHINGTON (AP)

[grania]

If Boehner does not kill amnesty he's through"

Keep in mind that it's the supposed conservatives in the HOR who let Boehner stay on as speaker, even though he had totally sold out to Obama. They only needed 17 votes to vote against Boehner to oust him.

It's all just theater. Now all of those supposed HOR conservatives are going to whine and cry and say how they're with us and they tried. Did they DEFUND Obamacare...No, but they did vote 37 times that it isn't a nice bill. Did the put a conservative in the Speaker position? No. Have any of them said things like take the troops out of Afghanistan etc and put them on the Mexican border? No. Have any said the Deprartment of Education besides being unconstitutional has destroyed public education? No.

Unless there are some real fireworks in the HOR that don't let the pro-invasion bill pass, face it. The conservatives are just part of the team, in disguise. It's not rocket science. Anyone who has entered the US illegally and is still here is an invader. There very being here is an act of war.

I'm not confident about the future, not at all. Unless those conservatives find a way to convince Boehner to step down (that would be a start), I don't see how we save the US.

[Clump]

I hear you, but remember when we kept hearing that any bill that isn't single payer and/or does or does not cover abortion (the left block and the fake moderate block) would be rejected by 20 something dems in the House during the zerocare vote?
A lot of us (at the time) weren't sure a consensus could be reached between the left block and the Stupak’s of the House. We now know the fix was already in, and it was all a matter of semantics, gimmicks, bribes, and who would be allowed to vote against it. But the number to pass was always there.
We have to ratchet up the pressure of the Weeper of the House and each and every GOP House member to defeat this.
I am telling my critter that a vote for Boehner as Speaker is the same as voting for America's death sentence.

[OddLane]

I think Obamacare is a good analogy.

I always knew that the blue dog threats not to support the ACA were empty.

I hope that getting rid of the Diversity Visa is a poison pill. The chairman of the CBC made a pretty definitive statement on this matter.

Killing the DV is essential to stopping this bill, IMO.

The CBC is invested in open borders, but I don't think they have the same stake in this amnesty as Big Labor, the cheap labor lobby in Silicon Valley and Big Agra, or La Raza and its allies.

[old republic]

Assuming the Senate passes this...it won’t pass the House will it? So the GOP Senators are handing a wedge issue to the Democrats, for use in the House races?

That sounds like a possibility. Even if the bill is filibustered in the Senate, the Republicans will take most of the blame for stopping the bill. (This will rally the conservative base but probably will increase the anger among Latino voters, a rapidly growing demographic).

If the bill passes the Senate and then the House kills it, then the Republicans will still take the blame among a large part of the Hispanic population at the polls . However, if the House and Senate both pass it, then the Democrats will likely have tens of millions of new voters, and Conservative Republicans will probably never win the presidency again. In any case, all three scenarios conservatives and Republicans will likely be the big losers. However, passing the bill would probably be the most harmful option to the Republicans.