Skip to comments.Paul Ryan Supports Gay Adoption, But Not Marriage
Posted on 04/30/2013 5:33:37 PM PDT by markomalley
Former GOP vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., now supports the rights of gay Americans to adopt children, though he still believes marriage is between a man and a woman.
In a town hall meeting with constituents in Wisconsin on Monday, the House Budget Committee chairman said he has changed his mind on the adoption issue, even though his opinions on other aspects of gay rights have remained unchanged. To date, two Republican senators Rob Portman of Ohio, who had been in the mix for Mitt Romneys No. 2 spot, and Mark S. Kirk of Illinois have come out in support of gay marriage.
Adoption, Id vote differently these days. That was I think a vote I took in my first term, 1999 or 2000. I do believe that if there are children who are orphans who do not have a loving person or couple, I think if a person wants to love and raise a child they ought to be able to do that. Period, Ryan said in a video posted by the liberal website Think Progress. I would vote that way. I do believe marriage is between a man and a woman, we just respectfully disagree on that issue.
Ryans move to support gay adoption is a particularly interesting one, given his continued national ambitions and Portmans reversal on gay marriage. Portman announced in March that his college-aged son, Will, is gay and that he could no longer oppose marriage equality.
In the past, Ryan has opposed almost every equality measure, getting a 0″ on the Human Rights Campaigns most recent Congressional scorecard. He opposed the repeal of dont ask, dont tell, supported the Defense of Marriage Act and voted against the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Protection Act, which expanded federal hate crime laws to protect the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.
In his remarks Monday, Ryan said he has always supported civil unions. Though there is no evidence to support that, its a clear sign that the politics of the issue have changed and that even the most conservative Republicans need to appear more hospitable to gays and lesbians in order to expand their voting bloc.
Ive always supported things like civil unions where you ought to be granted certain legal privileges to be able to have benefits whether its estate planning benefits or visitation and things like that, Ryan said.
But a story published by The Advocate, a gay and lesbian news magazine, when Romney named Ryan to his ticket, noted that Ryan supported a Wisconsin-based ban on gay marriage and civil unions in 2006.
Reviews of Ryans record indicate that he has voted overwhelmingly against LGBT rights. He voted twice for the federal constitutional amendment against same-sex marriage, and supported the ban on same-sex marriage and civil unions approved by Wisconsin voters in 2006. Ryan voted against dont ask, dont tell repeal and hate crimes legislation, but he voted for the Employment Non-discrimination Act in 2007, when it included protections for sexual orientation but not gender identity, the report said.
Will there be any of them left when it's all said and done?
The growling RINO. Good riddance and we won’t be seeing you later.
It’s guys like him that made me decide I am no longer a republican. I am a conservative and I will only vote for conservative candidates. I am done with the lesser of two evils.
Homosexual adoption is damaging to the child....there is a reason homosexuals can not have cildren.
Former GOP vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., now supports the rights of gay Americans to adopt children...
Crossed him off my list. I always wondered about the sweater vest.
Doesn’t matter, the Dims will pick our next candidate for us like they did in the last election.
Guys go to Washington and lose their minds.
Once a scum bag, ALWAYS a Scum bag
This is just the latest proof that ryan truly is a romney clone.
Boy toys without even trying to pretend...
So Paul Ryan is OK with gay men adopting little boys for the sole purpose of molesting them..disgusting..come on Paul I expected better from you..but I guess at the end of the day not really surprised..seen a lot of so-called Republicans go to the dark side lately
Well, there’s scumbag and then there’s stupid scumbag. What I don’t get is how he thinks this helps him? The gays will still hate him because he (for now) opposes gay marriage. And he’s totally destroyed any credibility with conservatives.
Can he really be this stupid?
What shall it profit a man if he should gain the whole world but lose his soul? But for the Beltway (Wales), Paul (Richard), for the Beltway (Wales)????
HT to Robert Bolt’s A Man for All Seasons.
Maybe they'll pick your next candidate, but they won't pick mine.
The last set weren't my candidates...they just happened to be the un-Obama.
Literally the ONLY reason I voted "R" last time was because I believed that there was a moral imperative to remove the Kenyan.
The only way I will ever vote "RINO" again is if the Dhims have somebody WORSE than Obama running in the general. And, frankly, I may not even then.
I may just turn the TV off and go on vacation from FR after the primary season.
And it's NEVER about the child anyway. Kids are just the latest in puppy dogs.
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Yes, it's really true. He's an idiot and an immoral knave. I wonder if the next election we'll actually have a decent candidate to vote for. Assuming that the massive voter fraud can be eliminated, that is.
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He’s a RINO putz with no balls. Disgusting. ALL evidence of homosexual adoption points to tragedies for the children . . . show me one where the study was good for the kids.
Absolutely a disgusting thing to come up with . . . better that he keep his disgusting RINO mouth shut.
My God! When will this crap end? They’re only 1.5% of the population!
Ryan doesn’t support sodomites marrying (which is the correct position), but he supports sodomites adopting children? Does Ryan pay attention to what words come out of his pie hole?
What I meant by “our” was the GOP, not me personally. I refused to vote for the presidency in the last election and have been getting grief every since.
Like you, I refuse to vote RINO.
He is right about one thing—children need homes and unfortunately not enough couples are stepping up to adopt a child or open their homes to a foster child. One sure fire way to keep gays from adopting a child is to adopt that child yourself.
“I do believe that if there are children who are orphans who do not have a loving person or couple, I think if a person wants to love and raise a child they ought to be able to do that. Period,”
Not sure any right minded person would disagree with this.... IF the alternative was nothing, again IF the alternative was no loving parents at all.
Seems like folks want a reason to jump on Ryan or any “R” and then take it to the extreme.
Any surprise why it’s become so damned, downright IMPOSSIBLE to remotely trust anyone the GOP puts forward? Whether on amnesty, fag-marriage, budget cuts, or whatever, they turn out to be lying, worthless bastards, always ready to join the ruling-class elites in their left-wing agenda. Ready to backstab any conservatives at the drop of a hat.
My only message to Ryan: Go burn in hell, you degenerate son-of-a-bitch! Just go somewhere and die! After witnessing the whole repellent Romney-Ryan fiasco, my exclusive, lifelong support and vote for the GOP is absolutely over. The damned Party as it exists now makes me want to vomit! Unless in the unlikely event it takes a quick turn in the Palin/Cruz direction, I hope it chokes itself to oblivion!
And yet people still claim this would have been better than Obama doing the very same thing.
We were sold out folks. We need to not make that same mistake again by voting R because...well the dems are worse. Really? tell it to McCain Rubo and the rest who are doing EXACTLY what Obama does.
Only a politician could get half pregnant on a gay issue.
“And yet people still claim this would have been better than Obama doing the very same thing.”
So Norm you’re ok with Obama taking away your civil liberties. You’re ok with Obama and Holder flying drones and taking away your guns. You’re ok with ObamaCare.
Do really want to post that on FR ?
Adoption by homosexuals is worse than nothing, i.e., foster care or orphanage.
Does this require explanation?
He’s obviously evolving.
I think he should be excommunicated, just like any liberal.
You really want to claim the GOP did a damn thing to stop him on FR?
incrementalism. compromise. labeled as ‘progress’ or ‘evolving’ bs.
paul is on a slippery slope. how is gay adoption ok but not gay marriage?
If he had left it at that, fine. Giving his support to Two Daddies and Two Mommies parentage?? Are you agreeing with THAT??
Ryan is (was) a Catholic.
The position of the Catholic Church is that adoption of a child by a homosexual couple / person actually does violence to that child (and I'm not even talking about possible sexual abuse):
As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.
But that's not how it works. Gays want to get in line for the same kids that married heterosexual couples want to adopt. No "discrimination," not even the kind that arises from what any sane person would call common sense.
This right-minded person disagrees.
And, this is just a week after Ryan appeared with Luis (La Raza) Gutierrez on stage for a pro-amnesty rally! Ryan was supposed to be the “solid” part of the Romney-Ryan ticket. I sometimes think my distrust of the GOP just cannot get any more intense than it is... but it continually does! The last four years have been mind-boggling.
Given that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constituiton the specific powers to regulate either adoption or marriage, the Founding States having made the 10th Amendment to clarify that the Constitution’s silence about such issues means that they are uniquely state power issues, federal legislator Ryan seems to be politicking as follows. He seems to be exploiting widespread voter ignorance of the Constitution’s division of federal and state government powers, just like Obama did, possibly positioning himself for his party’s nomination for president.
ping to 37 - from introduction:
Since this question relates to the natural moral law, the arguments that follow are addressed not only to those who believe in Christ, but to all persons committed to promoting and defending the common good of society.
Ryan can go join the Dems and take Rubio with him.
The idea that children are better off adopted by "anything", than they would be if not adopted is illogical. It suggests that nothing is worse than a children's home or a foster arrangement.
No mikey, most of us disagree with you and are against homosexuals adopting children.
Children raised by homosexuals have terrible, terrible problems. Many studies have shown this. Much more likely to be sexually molested, become homosexual themselves, turn to drugs/alcohol, relationship problems, behavior and school problems, etc. Why should any children be raised by mentally ill sex perverts? You think that’s a decent plan?
There are countless numbers of normal married couples wanting to adopt and there are not enough children due to abortion. So the argument that “any” “parents” are better than none is specious and deceitful of Ryan. He’s either incredibly stupid and ignorant or loathesome. I don’t care which, I thought he was a decent VP candidate and boy oh boy was I wrong.
Our choices for presidential elections have been:
D: Virulent steaming hot poison that acts very quickly
R: Lukewarm poison that doesn’t taste quite as acrid and kills just a little slower
I will never vote for the lukewarm poison ever again. It’s not worth the stamp, or the gas to drive to town to put it in the box. Or the sick feeling.
That is just rich from them...the same church that has ruined more millions more kids lives through violence and abuse than gay parents could ever have a chance to dream of...
What I believe Norm is saying and I agree with is:
It’s better to have Obama taking away our liberties so that the democrats get the back lash, than to have Republicans taking away our liberties.
Romney’s policies were the same as Obamas. Obamacare was based on Romneycare. Romney promoted known homosexual activists to the judicial branch. Romney passed gun control legislation. Romney was a weathervane on abortion. Romney ran on the same hope/change platform that Obama did.
There was no difference. So if liberal polices were going to be implemented, then let the Democrats who claimed to stand for liberal policies do it, rather than the republicans.
Pretty well sums it up. Your facts are not arguable, though many try. But you are indeed right.
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