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Paul Ryan Supports Gay Adoption, But Not Marriage
Roll Call ^ | 4/30/2013 | Meredith Shiner

Posted on 04/30/2013 5:33:37 PM PDT by markomalley

Former GOP vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., now supports the rights of gay Americans to adopt children, though he still believes marriage “is between a man and a woman.”

In a town hall meeting with constituents in Wisconsin on Monday, the House Budget Committee chairman said he has changed his mind on the adoption issue, even though his opinions on other aspects of gay rights have remained unchanged. To date, two Republican senators — Rob Portman of Ohio, who had been in the mix for Mitt Romney’s No. 2 spot, and Mark S. Kirk of Illinois — have come out in support of gay marriage.

“Adoption, I’d vote differently these days. That was I think a vote I took in my first term, 1999 or 2000. I do believe that if there are children who are orphans who do not have a loving person or couple, I think if a person wants to love and raise a child they ought to be able to do that. Period,” Ryan said in a video posted by the liberal website Think Progress. “I would vote that way. I do believe marriage is between a man and a woman, we just respectfully disagree on that issue.”

Ryan’s move to support gay adoption is a particularly interesting one, given his continued national ambitions and Portman’s reversal on gay marriage. Portman announced in March that his college-aged son, Will, is gay and that he could no longer oppose marriage equality.

In the past, Ryan has opposed almost every equality measure, getting a “0″ on the Human Rights Campaign’s most recent Congressional scorecard. He opposed the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” supported the Defense of Marriage Act and voted against the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Protection Act, which expanded federal hate crime laws to protect the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

In his remarks Monday, Ryan said he has “always supported” civil unions. Though there is no evidence to support that, it’s a clear sign that the politics of the issue have changed and that even the most conservative Republicans need to appear more hospitable to gays and lesbians in order to expand their voting bloc.

“I’ve always supported things like civil unions where you ought to be granted certain legal privileges to be able to have benefits whether it’s estate planning benefits or visitation and things like that,” Ryan said.

But a story published by The Advocate, a gay and lesbian news magazine, when Romney named Ryan to his ticket, noted that Ryan supported a Wisconsin-based ban on gay marriage and civil unions in 2006.

“Reviews of Ryan’s record indicate that he has voted overwhelmingly against LGBT rights. He voted twice for the federal constitutional amendment against same-sex marriage, and supported the ban on same-sex marriage and civil unions approved by Wisconsin voters in 2006. Ryan voted against “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal and hate crimes legislation, but he voted for the Employment Non-discrimination Act in 2007, when it included protections for sexual orientation but not gender identity,” the report said.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adoption; gay; homodefenders; homosexualagenda; paulryan; ryan; ssm; trollalert; ursulathevk; zot
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That's another 'pubbie gone over to the dark side.

Will there be any of them left when it's all said and done?

1 posted on 04/30/2013 5:33:37 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

The growling RINO. Good riddance and we won’t be seeing you later.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 5:35:14 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: markomalley

It’s guys like him that made me decide I am no longer a republican. I am a conservative and I will only vote for conservative candidates. I am done with the lesser of two evils.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 5:36:24 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley

Homosexual adoption is damaging to the child....there is a reason homosexuals can not have cildren.


4 posted on 04/30/2013 5:36:55 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: markomalley

Former GOP vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., now supports the rights of gay Americans to adopt children...

Crossed him off my list. I always wondered about the sweater vest.


5 posted on 04/30/2013 5:36:56 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: markomalley

Doesn’t matter, the Dims will pick our next candidate for us like they did in the last election.


6 posted on 04/30/2013 5:37:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: markomalley

Guys go to Washington and lose their minds.


7 posted on 04/30/2013 5:38:05 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: markomalley

Once a scum bag, ALWAYS a Scum bag


8 posted on 04/30/2013 5:38:30 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: markomalley

B@$$@ckwardz.


9 posted on 04/30/2013 5:38:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: markomalley

This is just the latest proof that ryan truly is a romney clone.

LLS


10 posted on 04/30/2013 5:38:58 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: markomalley

Boy toys without even trying to pretend...


11 posted on 04/30/2013 5:39:10 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: markomalley

So Paul Ryan is OK with gay men adopting little boys for the sole purpose of molesting them..disgusting..come on Paul I expected better from you..but I guess at the end of the day not really surprised..seen a lot of so-called Republicans go to the dark side lately


12 posted on 04/30/2013 5:40:36 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: markomalley

13 posted on 04/30/2013 5:40:46 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: chicagolady

Well, there’s scumbag and then there’s stupid scumbag. What I don’t get is how he thinks this helps him? The gays will still hate him because he (for now) opposes gay marriage. And he’s totally destroyed any credibility with conservatives.

Can he really be this stupid?

What shall it profit a man if he should gain the whole world but lose his soul? But for the Beltway (Wales), Paul (Richard), for the Beltway (Wales)????

HT to Robert Bolt’s A Man for All Seasons.


14 posted on 04/30/2013 5:41:38 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: doc1019
Doesn’t matter, the Dims will pick our next candidate for us like they did in the last election.

"Our"?

Maybe they'll pick your next candidate, but they won't pick mine.

The last set weren't my candidates...they just happened to be the un-Obama.

Literally the ONLY reason I voted "R" last time was because I believed that there was a moral imperative to remove the Kenyan.

The only way I will ever vote "RINO" again is if the Dhims have somebody WORSE than Obama running in the general. And, frankly, I may not even then.

I may just turn the TV off and go on vacation from FR after the primary season.

But, "Our??????"

15 posted on 04/30/2013 5:42:14 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: svcw
Homosexual adoption is damaging to the child....

And it's NEVER about the child anyway. Kids are just the latest in puppy dogs.

16 posted on 04/30/2013 5:44:19 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: markomalley; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Absolutely Nobama; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping

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Be sure to click the FreeRepublic homosexual agenda keyword search link for a list of all related articles. We don't ping you to all related articles so be sure to click the previous link to see the latest articles.

Add keywords homosexual agenda to flag FR articles to this ping list.

Yes, it's really true. He's an idiot and an immoral knave. I wonder if the next election we'll actually have a decent candidate to vote for. Assuming that the massive voter fraud can be eliminated, that is.

Anyone wanting on/off either ping list, freepmail me.

17 posted on 04/30/2013 5:44:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Houghton M.

The world is going crazy, Buckle your seat belt,

and Hunker down!


18 posted on 04/30/2013 5:45:26 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: markomalley

He’s a RINO putz with no balls. Disgusting. ALL evidence of homosexual adoption points to tragedies for the children . . . show me one where the study was good for the kids.

Absolutely a disgusting thing to come up with . . . better that he keep his disgusting RINO mouth shut.

My God! When will this crap end? They’re only 1.5% of the population!


19 posted on 04/30/2013 5:45:42 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: markomalley

Ryan doesn’t support sodomites marrying (which is the correct position), but he supports sodomites adopting children? Does Ryan pay attention to what words come out of his pie hole?


20 posted on 04/30/2013 5:45:44 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: COBOL2Java

God Knew!


21 posted on 04/30/2013 5:46:15 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: markomalley

What I meant by “our” was the GOP, not me personally. I refused to vote for the presidency in the last election and have been getting grief every since.

Like you, I refuse to vote RINO.


22 posted on 04/30/2013 5:47:23 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: markomalley

He is right about one thing—children need homes and unfortunately not enough couples are stepping up to adopt a child or open their homes to a foster child. One sure fire way to keep gays from adopting a child is to adopt that child yourself.


23 posted on 04/30/2013 5:48:41 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: markomalley

“I do believe that if there are children who are orphans who do not have a loving person or couple, I think if a person wants to love and raise a child they ought to be able to do that. Period,”

Not sure any right minded person would disagree with this.... IF the alternative was nothing, again IF the alternative was no loving parents at all.

Seems like folks want a reason to jump on Ryan or any “R” and then take it to the extreme.


24 posted on 04/30/2013 5:51:37 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: markomalley

Any surprise why it’s become so damned, downright IMPOSSIBLE to remotely trust anyone the GOP puts forward? Whether on amnesty, fag-marriage, budget cuts, or whatever, they turn out to be lying, worthless bastards, always ready to join the ruling-class elites in their left-wing agenda. Ready to backstab any conservatives at the drop of a hat.

My only message to Ryan: Go burn in hell, you degenerate son-of-a-bitch! Just go somewhere and die! After witnessing the whole repellent Romney-Ryan fiasco, my exclusive, lifelong support and vote for the GOP is absolutely over. The damned Party as it exists now makes me want to vomit! Unless in the unlikely event it takes a quick turn in the Palin/Cruz direction, I hope it chokes itself to oblivion!


25 posted on 04/30/2013 5:52:05 PM PDT by greene66
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To: markomalley

And yet people still claim this would have been better than Obama doing the very same thing.

We were sold out folks. We need to not make that same mistake again by voting R because...well the dems are worse. Really? tell it to McCain Rubo and the rest who are doing EXACTLY what Obama does.


26 posted on 04/30/2013 5:54:03 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: markomalley

Only a politician could get half pregnant on a gay issue.


27 posted on 04/30/2013 5:57:45 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Norm Lenhart

“And yet people still claim this would have been better than Obama doing the very same thing.”

So Norm you’re ok with Obama taking away your civil liberties. You’re ok with Obama and Holder flying drones and taking away your guns. You’re ok with ObamaCare.

Do really want to post that on FR ?


28 posted on 04/30/2013 5:58:11 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958

Adoption by homosexuals is worse than nothing, i.e., foster care or orphanage.

Does this require explanation?


29 posted on 04/30/2013 6:01:33 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: markomalley

He’s obviously evolving.


30 posted on 04/30/2013 6:02:53 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: markomalley

I think he should be excommunicated, just like any liberal.


31 posted on 04/30/2013 6:03:55 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: mike_9958

You really want to claim the GOP did a damn thing to stop him on FR?


32 posted on 04/30/2013 6:04:29 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: markomalley
Allowing no protections for small children. What about their rights. Is he a sell out or what.
33 posted on 04/30/2013 6:04:41 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: markomalley

incrementalism. compromise. labeled as ‘progress’ or ‘evolving’ bs.

rationalization.

paul is on a slippery slope. how is gay adoption ok but not gay marriage?


34 posted on 04/30/2013 6:04:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mike_9958
Not sure any right minded person would disagree with this.

If he had left it at that, fine. Giving his support to Two Daddies and Two Mommies parentage?? Are you agreeing with THAT??

35 posted on 04/30/2013 6:07:34 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: greene66
If this true, I am completely stunned. I met Ryan at my factory in 2002, had a good conversation with him and voted for him ever since. If this is another betrayal then I agree with you, they can all rot in hell.
36 posted on 04/30/2013 6:07:41 PM PDT by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: mike_9958
Not sure any right minded person would disagree with this.... IF the alternative was nothing, again IF the alternative was no loving parents at all.

Ryan is (was) a Catholic.

The position of the Catholic Church is that adoption of a child by a homosexual couple / person actually does violence to that child (and I'm not even talking about possible sexual abuse):

As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

Considerations regarding proposals to give legal recognition to unions between homosexual persons (June 3, 2003)


37 posted on 04/30/2013 6:08:55 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: mike_9958
. . . IF the alternative was nothing, again IF the alternative was no loving parents at all.

But that's not how it works. Gays want to get in line for the same kids that married heterosexual couples want to adopt. No "discrimination," not even the kind that arises from what any sane person would call common sense.

38 posted on 04/30/2013 6:09:28 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: mike_9958

This right-minded person disagrees.


39 posted on 04/30/2013 6:14:31 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: markomalley

And, this is just a week after Ryan appeared with Luis (La Raza) Gutierrez on stage for a pro-amnesty rally! Ryan was supposed to be the “solid” part of the Romney-Ryan ticket. I sometimes think my distrust of the GOP just cannot get any more intense than it is... but it continually does! The last four years have been mind-boggling.


40 posted on 04/30/2013 6:17:48 PM PDT by greene66
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To: markomalley; All

Given that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constituiton the specific powers to regulate either adoption or marriage, the Founding States having made the 10th Amendment to clarify that the Constitution’s silence about such issues means that they are uniquely state power issues, federal legislator Ryan seems to be politicking as follows. He seems to be exploiting widespread voter ignorance of the Constitution’s division of federal and state government powers, just like Obama did, possibly positioning himself for his party’s nomination for president.


41 posted on 04/30/2013 6:17:49 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Mrs. Don-o

ping to 37 - from introduction:

Since this question relates to the natural moral law, the arguments that follow are addressed not only to those who believe in Christ, but to all persons committed to promoting and defending the common good of society.


42 posted on 04/30/2013 6:18:56 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: markomalley

Ryan can go join the Dems and take Rubio with him.


43 posted on 04/30/2013 6:19:52 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: markomalley; mike_9958
They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

The idea that children are better off adopted by "anything", than they would be if not adopted is illogical. It suggests that nothing is worse than a children's home or a foster arrangement.

44 posted on 04/30/2013 6:21:14 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: mike_9958

No mikey, most of us disagree with you and are against homosexuals adopting children.


45 posted on 04/30/2013 6:23:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: mike_9958

Children raised by homosexuals have terrible, terrible problems. Many studies have shown this. Much more likely to be sexually molested, become homosexual themselves, turn to drugs/alcohol, relationship problems, behavior and school problems, etc. Why should any children be raised by mentally ill sex perverts? You think that’s a decent plan?

There are countless numbers of normal married couples wanting to adopt and there are not enough children due to abortion. So the argument that “any” “parents” are better than none is specious and deceitful of Ryan. He’s either incredibly stupid and ignorant or loathesome. I don’t care which, I thought he was a decent VP candidate and boy oh boy was I wrong.


46 posted on 04/30/2013 6:39:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Our choices for presidential elections have been:

D: Virulent steaming hot poison that acts very quickly

R: Lukewarm poison that doesn’t taste quite as acrid and kills just a little slower

That’s it.

I will never vote for the lukewarm poison ever again. It’s not worth the stamp, or the gas to drive to town to put it in the box. Or the sick feeling.


47 posted on 04/30/2013 6:42:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: markomalley

That is just rich from them...the same church that has ruined more millions more kids lives through violence and abuse than gay parents could ever have a chance to dream of...


48 posted on 04/30/2013 6:46:24 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: mike_9958; Norm Lenhart

What I believe Norm is saying and I agree with is:

It’s better to have Obama taking away our liberties so that the democrats get the back lash, than to have Republicans taking away our liberties.

Romney’s policies were the same as Obamas. Obamacare was based on Romneycare. Romney promoted known homosexual activists to the judicial branch. Romney passed gun control legislation. Romney was a weathervane on abortion. Romney ran on the same hope/change platform that Obama did.

There was no difference. So if liberal polices were going to be implemented, then let the Democrats who claimed to stand for liberal policies do it, rather than the republicans.


49 posted on 04/30/2013 6:50:53 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Pretty well sums it up. Your facts are not arguable, though many try. But you are indeed right.


50 posted on 04/30/2013 6:53:31 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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