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Immigration bill grants amnesty to employers of illegals; no prosecution for bogus IDs
The Washington Times ^ | April 29, 2013 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 04/30/2013 2:15:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The debate is raging over whether the latest immigration bill is an amnesty for illegal immigrants, but one part is clear: The legislation would forgive businesses that have employed those immigrants illegally.

Employers who have allowed illegal immigrants to work off the books can come forward safely and provide their work history without fear of prosecution, and businesses that knowingly employed someone using a bogus or stolen Social Security number likewise would get a pass, according to an analysis of the bill by the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that wants a crackdown on immigration.

“The illegal workers at least have to pay a token fine. The employers of illegal immigrants who violated a whole list of laws themselves don’t even have to pay,” said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the center. “It’s the business side of the amnesty that doesn’t get a lot of focus.”

Business groups’ support is considered critical to getting a bill passed this year, but attention has been focused mostly on a guest worker program and requirements that all employers would have to meet, such as using an electronic verification system to check potential hires.

Indeed, it wasn’t until business groups, led by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, struck a deal with the AFL-CIO on a guest worker program that the final Senate bill came together....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 113th; aflcio; aliens; amnesty; chamberofcommerce; fraud; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; markkrikorian
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1 posted on 04/30/2013 2:15:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This amnesty bill is sounding more and more like a communist’s wet dream.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 2:20:44 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This whole scam is nothing but an attempt to put the final nail into the coffin of traditional American society. To borrow a phrase from someone else.....None dare call it treason.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 2:22:58 PM PDT by MachIV
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The illegal workers at least have to pay a token fine

Which they can subsidize with welfare because the bill gives them immediate access to public assistance. If there's no penalty then there's incentive for id fraud and collection of welfare on top of work wages. We're seeing just how stupid government can get!

4 posted on 04/30/2013 2:26:37 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This or nothing.

Do those things and illegal aliens will deport themselves and pay for the trip.

5 posted on 04/30/2013 2:27:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know a Hispanic man who is here on a green card. He told his employer he was illegal as they only hire illegals. They paid 12/hr, but did not follow any of the other laws. They work everybody 60 hrs/week but with no time and a half overtime.

This is the reason illegals are employed. If they make them legal, then the employees will report the employer. Mostly, I think these marginal businesses will go under. The unemployment problem will quintuple. Also, they aren’t paying any unemployment tax on these guys.

The unintended consequences are going to be a bee-itch.


6 posted on 04/30/2013 2:29:31 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What about having the employers pay back payroll taxes and workers comp payroll fees? The main reason these people are off the books is so employers can commit tax fraud and insurance fraud.

So employers who are committing felonies by keeping illegal aliens off the books will be granted amnesty instead of going to jail for 5 to life? And those honest employers who did everything correct will continue to be harassed by the IRS.

I am getting pretty FED up with these politicians and bureaucrats.


7 posted on 04/30/2013 2:31:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t disagree with this. As an employer needing bilingual employees, I know it is very easy to get false ID’s and SS#. Not even the IRS catches them, why should employers be fined for not resolving what no Federal Agencies will or can?


8 posted on 04/30/2013 2:31:28 PM PDT by mgist
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(gag) I'm sure the mourners w/ dead loved ones and the people maimed and disfigured by the Boston bvombers will be glad to hear the Tsarnaevs' get a pass for establishing multiple identities---to ride the US gravy train.

REFERENCE The America-hating Tsarnaev family collected bigtime----rode the US gravy train using several identites. The Boston bomber brothers' lavish style could not have been financed merely w/ welfare checks, food stamps, housing subsidies, etc etc etc.

A look at dead bomber Tamerlan's reading list on Amazon shows he researched several books WRT forging new identities (each identity pocketing US govt freebies).

TAMERLAN'S READING LIST--PUT THIS IN YOUR BROWSER
http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/registry.html? ie=UTF8&type=wishlist&id=1PNVMAW2D4CT1

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Faked/forged identities is a common practice among "impoverished" latinos on US soil....."the just here for a better life types". The "impoverished" invaders pay $$$ thousands for fake identities. The latino Washington state rapist had some 30 identities. Another latino scammed UI for $3/4 million using fake identities.

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NJ BERGEN RECORD CIRCA 2004---Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity (many latinos establish multiple identities in order to ride the US gravy train).

The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards, said NJ state police.

The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot.

The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout. After a search, police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to "impoverished illegals." Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards. ####

9 posted on 04/30/2013 2:32:01 PM PDT by Liz (To learn who rules over you, determine who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But let a conservative jaywalk and they’ll throw the book at him.


10 posted on 04/30/2013 2:32:02 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No wonder they wanted to pass it in a hurry before anyone (even themselves) had a chance to read it.
11 posted on 04/30/2013 2:32:22 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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AS FRREPER RARESTIA INSIGHTFULLY POSTED We need to have a law mandating an affidavit be attached to each and every law between Congress, the Senate, and up to the President’s desk that states that the law was drafted by a law maker and ONLY by a law maker, was read completely and understood by the law maker submitting the bill, is Constitutional by provisions outlined therein, and applies to every American, including the law makers themselves.

This BS with outside entities and legal groups drafting laws, handing them to Representatives and Senators to bring up on the floor without knowing whats in them is complete tyranny. We did not elect these shadow law groups, we elected our Representatives and Senators. This is complete and total failure of the American system of Republicanism.

============================================= COMMENTS Clearly vote-crazed pols are prostrate in obeisance, taking orders from foreign agents cunningly attempting to undermine US ntl security on the pretext of "immigration reform." These foreign control agents present a clear and present danger to Americans....and must be stopped.

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Immigration reform is the gateway to terrorism. "Ethnic solidarity" is rearing its ugly head (think Boston bombers w/ a latino accent). US politicans are clearly colluding and conspiring with foreign agents to undermine US ntl security and placing Americans in danger. The word is out: " It's open season to conduct dirty deeds....and US politicans are helping us. So, all you "undocumented" terrorists, come on down---invade the US, and bring bombs "

12 posted on 04/30/2013 2:35:25 PM PDT by Liz (To learn who rules over you, determine who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire)
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To: mgist

“…not even the IRS catches them.” Are you serious, IRS turns a blind eye. I had a friend,named Jackie, who has an Hispanic last name. Every year for 11 years the IRS sent her W-2 forms for Jack ———ez, who worked at a furniture factory in CA. Every year, she reported the IRS, that she didn’t live in CA and did not work at a furniture factory. Finally after having to report this for 11 years in a row, her husband called the employer and told him to stop paying the taxes under his wife’s name or he would report the guy to INS (ICE, now).


13 posted on 04/30/2013 2:36:40 PM PDT by Eva
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To: MachIV
This whole scam is nothing but an attempt to put the final nail into the coffin of traditional American society.

IF...the Dems win the Senate and House in 2014...

14 posted on 04/30/2013 2:45:12 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: P-Marlowe
Why not make employment of illegals a capital crime ~ only need that for a few weeks BTW ~ then change the law back, but start rounding up these guys who had an illegal on or off the books during the critical period and start hanging them.

That'd fix the problem plus raise the average IQ of the business community substantially.

15 posted on 04/30/2013 2:47:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: KarlInOhio

I dont know why this is even being addressed when our economy is in shambles. How easily the Dems play with our heads and distract us. We should be screaming for Obama to focus and fix the economy. Immigrants are leaving on their own!!!!!! Instead Obama gets to say, “look how mean they are”. If we demanded that he focus on the economy, everyone would understand.

Undocumented immigration in Texas falls to its lowest level since the 1980s
By Jeremy Roebuck STAFF WRITER
Updated 1:43 am, Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Undocumented-immigration-in-Texas-falls-to-its-4291515.php#ixzz2RzAW1uUI

This is a ruse.


16 posted on 04/30/2013 2:48:00 PM PDT by mgist
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To: VRW Conspirator; MachIV; All

“This whole scam is nothing but an attempt to put the final nail into the coffin of traditional American society.

IF...the Dems win the Senate and House in 2014... “

What difference does it make, really? Republicans are pushing this amnesty, even writing it. Even LIMBAUGH said this morning that this gang of 8/Rubio thing is NOT AMNESTY...HE is part of the problem, not part of the solution!

elrushbo@eibnet.com

Ask him what is conservative about joining this scam to promote AMNESTY??? Or having radical Islam promoter Grover Norquist as Rubio’s spokesman?

WHO is Americans for a Conservative Direction?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3014121/posts

follow the link


17 posted on 04/30/2013 2:49:28 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Everyone see now why Dems and their GOP accomplices pushed for gun control and were so upset it failed?


18 posted on 04/30/2013 3:06:20 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: VRW Conspirator

Plenty of RINOs to put it over the edge. Holding off disasters like this with hopes of a GOP edge somewhere is so over.


19 posted on 04/30/2013 3:07:22 PM PDT by MachIV
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

would it still be illegal for me to get a fake ID?


20 posted on 04/30/2013 3:13:03 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: mgist
Somebody can probably come up with a "Percentage of Black Women Who Will Be Laid Off' ~ just repeat it often enough in FR and Google will turn that into THE NEWS. I'll start with:

[ ]The immigration bill will require that approximately 574,329 African American employees of public school districts and hospitals be placed on indefinite suspension until the first wave of undocumented workers are placed in jobs suitable to their training and experience. White workers will be hurt as well, but many will secure part time employment completing Affordable Care Act forms for newly insured workers and their dependents ~ thus completing stage one of President Obama's promise to insure the uninsured'

21 posted on 04/30/2013 3:18:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Employers who have allowed illegal immigrants to work off the books can come forward safely and provide their work history without fear of prosecution, and businesses that knowingly employed someone using a bogus or stolen Social Security number likewise would get a pass

Of course - this scheme of getting more "cheap" labor that taxpayers have to support is a creature of big business.

22 posted on 04/30/2013 3:21:10 PM PDT by Jötunn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The MORE that I learn about this treason... the MORE that I despise rubio.

LLS


23 posted on 04/30/2013 3:31:27 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These greedy employers are little saw’d off traitors and criminals...I have nothing but contempt for these lying low life swine...These people lie as a matter of routine, playing stupid as they count their profits on the backs of honest tax payers...

Profits regardless of consequences...

They could care less entire towns and cities become trashed 3rd world slums, with choked off hospitals, jails, etc...As long as they get their dirt cheap, low wage illegal labor...

These types really need to burn in hell.


24 posted on 04/30/2013 4:00:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MachIV
This whole scam is nothing but an attempt to put the final nail into the coffin of traditional American society.

That's exactly what it is and exactly why liberals/leftists support illegals coming in.

25 posted on 04/30/2013 4:00:55 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: PeevedPatriot

“We’re seeing just how stupid government can get! “

Its not stupidity if you know better.


26 posted on 04/30/2013 4:29:04 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Its not stupidity if you know better.

Excellent point.

27 posted on 04/30/2013 4:34:26 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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28 posted on 04/30/2013 4:36:57 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: TigersEye; All

FYI

Who is financing the current media blitz to pass amnesty?

WHO is Americans for a Conservative Direction?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3014121/posts


29 posted on 04/30/2013 4:38:41 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In direct violation of at least a dozen laws. So much for protecting Americans. Our Congress is only interested in their power, their votes, and our money.

It is time to abolish our government that no longer represent Americans and start over.


30 posted on 04/30/2013 4:39:18 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: mgist

“As an employer needing bilingual employees, I know it is very easy to get false ID’s and SS#. “

It also easy to identify them through eVerify. Not to mention, you damned well when you are hiring an illegal alien.


31 posted on 04/30/2013 4:40:13 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: AuntB

Rubio is a Hispanic liar. He represents foreign interests over Americans that pay the taxes.


32 posted on 04/30/2013 4:41:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: AuntB

That’s just wonderful. That little chithead is quite the troublemaker.


33 posted on 04/30/2013 4:42:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: CodeToad

“Rubio is a Hispanic liar. He represents foreign interests over Americans that pay the taxes.”

That’s part of it. For the moment, he represents Bill GAtes and Mark Zuckerberg.

FYI

Who is financing the current media blitz to pass amnesty?

WHO is Americans for a Conservative Direction?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3014121/posts


34 posted on 04/30/2013 4:43:16 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; everyone

Obama advertises in Spanish for Mexicans to cross illegally for foodstamps


35 posted on 04/30/2013 4:44:25 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: TigersEye

“That’s just wonderful. That little chithead is quite the troublemaker.”

I REALLY miss spreading good news!! Been a while since we had any.


36 posted on 04/30/2013 4:44:29 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: bgill

that’s what I have been pondering. This represents arbitrary enforcement of laws based on political gaming


37 posted on 04/30/2013 4:50:54 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: mgist
As an employer needing bilingual employees...

That's part of the problem. They don't/won't assimilate as long as there are those willing to accommodate them.

38 posted on 04/30/2013 4:56:04 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron. No, they are both.)
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To: AuntB

Well, spring is here. Oh, wait! Never mind.


39 posted on 04/30/2013 4:56:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: MNDude
"would it still be illegal for me to get a fake ID?"

Yes, if you're an American citizen. The government doesn't like people who don't pay taxes. Oh, an illegal immigrant with a stolen ID? No problemo. In fact, let's see what we can do to get you EITC.

Didn't pay taxes? What's the difference?

Here's your check. Enjoy.

And don't forget to register to vote on your way out of the DMV where you got your state issued driver's license.

Wouldn't want you to call us bigots or anything.

That would be morally wrong.

Judging you, I mean.

40 posted on 04/30/2013 5:06:18 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Understand that it is the RINOs and the Chamber of Commerce that put this provision into the law.

This is the third time the Chamber of Commerce has tried to exempt businesses from any guilt or accountability for hiring illegal aliens.

In prior years the Chamber of Commerce put poison pills in Sam Johnson (R, TX) and later Lamar Smith’s (R, TX) bills supposedly enforcing E-Verify but also exempted businesses from all penalties and past illegal hiring, and preempted all state and local laws then in effect trying to control illegal immigration. Their primary purpose, hidden in he bills, was to kill the only effective controls on illegal immigration.

The Chamber wrote the significant portion of this amnesty bill and the past two bills giving businesses a pass.

The Chamber of Commerce wants amnesty and cheap labor at all costs. They don’t give a damn about the American people.


41 posted on 04/30/2013 5:15:01 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: AuntB

I doubt if Rubio has even read the bill. We’re all on autopilot.


42 posted on 04/30/2013 5:15:03 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this is true, then a yes vote would amount to treason and should be treated as such.


43 posted on 04/30/2013 5:16:22 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

“I doubt if Rubio has even read the bill. “

Yes. He’s the public face out campaigning for it, that’s all he’s got time for. The lobbyists..Norquist & Conda and the Unions are writing it.

Did you see who some of the $ behind it is?

WHO is Americans for a Conservative Direction?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3014121/posts


44 posted on 04/30/2013 5:19:56 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: oldbill

“The Chamber wrote the significant portion of this amnesty bill and the past two bills giving businesses a pass.”

They are most certainly part of it and Grover Norquist is on their Board of Directors. Norquist is writing most of it, like he did the Bush Amnesty and admits to it, with the help of Cesar Conda, Rubio’s ‘chief of staff’. Norquist is also a lobbyist for Microsoft, GE, fannie mae, some foreign interests...all who support AMNESTY.

We learned today, here’s where some of the money is coming from.

WHO is Americans for a Conservative Direction?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3014121/posts


45 posted on 04/30/2013 5:25:23 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: CodeToad
Rubio is a God loving man. The following is the ugly side of Republicans, or perhaps liberal infiltrators, that gives the rest a bad name. Democrats are terrified of Rubio, and this is what they will do to him.

"Rubio is a Hispanic liar. He represents foreign interests over Americans that pay the taxes."

46 posted on 04/30/2013 5:48:22 PM PDT by mgist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One Business Filed 37,375 Bad W-2 Forms — and Is Getting Away With It

http://townhall.com/columnists/terryjeffrey/2010/07/07/one_business_filed_37,375_bad_w-2_forms_—_and_is_getting_away_with_it

America’s No. 1 filer of bad W-2s wa an Illinois-based company.

Geez.. what a shock.

yep. the IRS is breaking their backs to catch illegals.


47 posted on 04/30/2013 6:26:31 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: boop
The government doesn't like people who don't pay taxes.

I hate government that wastes taxes.

Which is about 99% so, call me evil if I hate government altogether.

48 posted on 04/30/2013 7:22:38 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: mgist

“Rubio is a God loving man. “

What the Hell does that have to do with him trying to push amnesty?? Wait, maybe YOU are for amnesty but don’t want to publicly admit it. So, let’s go for the record, are you for amnesty?


49 posted on 04/30/2013 7:29:22 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do Americans with bogus ID’s also get amnesty?

What about equality under the law?


50 posted on 04/30/2013 8:47:00 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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