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1 posted on 04/28/2013 5:06:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup
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It is time for a dishwasher. My last dishwasher was replaced three times by the manufacturer before I ripped it out and started handwashing. time to go back to dishwashers and I cannot find a timed dishwasher, just ones that are ENERGY EFFIEICENT with sensors.

The biggest problem I had with the newer untimed dishwashers is that I would have to rinse the dishes instead of scraping them.

the second problem is that because I did not rinse them, they ran for six to eight hours becaus there was debris that the sensors picked up.

Lousy design.

I am looking for a good dishwasher, that can actually be effective and clean the dishes now that the EPA doesnt permit us to have phosphates. Or timed washes.

Any war stories? Most of the dishwasher reviews out there aree actually paid ad reviews placed by an agent of the manufacturer.

Forget consomer reports.


2 posted on 04/28/2013 5:07:35 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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Go to Lowes, buy a box a TSP and put a spoonful in every load. Tri-sodium phosphate. It's a wonderful thing.

/johnny

3 posted on 04/28/2013 5:08:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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While you're at it, how about that other thing that housewives have to deal with, which is cleaning the family toilet? Do you know how hard it is to keep a toilet clean these days?

Rather than deal with these low flush toilets, I have taken to using the shower nozzle to reach over and get them clean. Sometimes I like to stand there, rinsing the toilet with what amounts to a lawn hose, for several minutes wasting as much water as I can, cursing Al Gore...here we are, I have to get a hose to clean my flush toilet...

5 posted on 04/28/2013 5:11:52 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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I just installed a ~38 yr old Kitchen Aid Imperial that had been run for ~2 yrs as a roll around and then sat in the basement for 35 years.

It work GREAT! and only takes ~50 mimutes to run. Solid steel too.

6 posted on 04/28/2013 5:12:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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I am a 48 single male and never owned a dishwasher. I did have one once when I rented an apt yea it was nice but that was years ago. It takes no time to clean my dishes by hand and its actually fun as I listen to Mark Levin while doing it. So actually I enjoy doing my own dishes, not a problem here. Its just part of life.


9 posted on 04/28/2013 5:14:04 PM PDT by VastRWCon (LARGE PRINT GIVE IT, small print take it away.)
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They’ve done the same thing with washers for laundry. Specifically, they’ve changed the agitator configuration on the low power consumption models so its barely there - saves power but doesn’t wash worth crap.


13 posted on 04/28/2013 5:15:57 PM PDT by skeeter
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I’ve got a GE (we bring evilll to life) Profile dishwasher; actually seems to work fairly well.


14 posted on 04/28/2013 5:16:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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the answer is obvious ... all of your problems stemmed from not washing the dishes before using the dishwasher.


18 posted on 04/28/2013 5:17:15 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Background checks, Mr. President? You first ...)
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Go to your local re-use center or Craig’s List and try to snag an older working model. A few more years of reliable service is better than shelling out for high-tech trash. Repeat as needed.


20 posted on 04/28/2013 5:17:50 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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Foam plates and plastic forks... Environmentally unfriendly and you can add the used ones to the landfill.
23 posted on 04/28/2013 5:18:28 PM PDT by Truth29
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Finish GelPacs are the best. I have a 23yr old GE dishwasher and everything comes out clean, spotless and shining.

http://www.finishdishwashing.com/


24 posted on 04/28/2013 5:18:44 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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Yes, lack of trisodium phosphate broke our last dishwasher. We didn’t realize it at the time. We also had to have a plumber repeatedly come in and clean out the drain pipes.

The problem is that real trisodium phosphate is hard to find. Some of the stuff that calls itself TSP is fake sodium phosphate. As you say, you need to check the box.

The whole business is truly stupid. Here in Vermont, we have our own well water, and our woods and pasture are almost always too wet. I don’t know why we should be forced to use less water because they’re running short in Arizona.


26 posted on 04/28/2013 5:19:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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EPA and lawyers ruin things. My “Lawyer Toaster” takes forever to toast anything as the heat need to be so low so as not to cause any harm to fools. But, as we know, you cannot make anything foolproof as fools are so ingenius.


28 posted on 04/28/2013 5:20:59 PM PDT by rey
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The took the tri-sodium-phosphates out of dishwashing soap years ago. You can’t get spot free clean dishes now.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 5:22:00 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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Try Consumer Search.
35 posted on 04/28/2013 5:24:07 PM PDT by Rockingham
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You don’t want a new washing machine! The lid locks before filling with water. Maytag.


44 posted on 04/28/2013 5:26:45 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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You can still buy the good dishwasher detergent with phosphates. I buy it by the case here:

http://www.restockit.com/cascade-automatic-dishwasher-detergent-85-oz-%2834953pg%29.html


47 posted on 04/28/2013 5:27:36 PM PDT by Blennos
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Q: How do you turn a dishwasher into a snowthrower?

A: Take her dishtowel and hand her a shovel.

Sorry. Old truck driver meme. Ten hails and an apology to pigmies on the hoof.


51 posted on 04/28/2013 5:28:28 PM PDT by glock rocks (Slippin into darkness, when I hear my mama say ...)
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if your dish soap doesn’t have phosphates, just add a quarter teaspoon of Tri Sodium Phosphate per load.


56 posted on 04/28/2013 5:29:59 PM PDT by dalereed
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There are actually several models that do not use sensor wash. They are the lower priced models.

Usually people only use one or two cycles, it’s important to get a unit that has a heating element in the bottom so the water gets heated and the dishes dry.

Also, you don’t need stainless steal inside the washer makes it cost more.

It’s important to not rinse the dishes, here’s why, the dishwasher cleaner you use has enzymes, without food particles or grease the enzymes attack the dishes and leave little scratches on them, look at your clear glasses.

You should be able to get a nice unit for under $550.00

I used to sell them.


60 posted on 04/28/2013 5:31:38 PM PDT by stockpirate (COME AND GET THEM.....)
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