Skip to comments.Congressman To DHS: You’re Going Through 1,000 More Rounds Per Person Than The Army
Posted on 04/26/2013 11:17:44 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah-3rd District) had serious questions for DHS representatives on Thursday. Fox News reports:
Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz said Thursday that the Department of Homeland Security is using roughly 1,000 rounds of ammunition more per person than the U.S. Army, as he and other lawmakers sharply questioned DHS officials on their massive bullet buys.
It is entirely inexplicable why the Department of Homeland Security needs so much ammunition, Chaffetz, R-Utah, said at a hearing.
The hearing itself was unusual, as questions about the departments ammunition purchases until recently had bubbled largely under the radar on blogs and in the occasional news article. But as the Department of Homeland Security found itself publicly defending the purchases, lawmakers gradually showed more interest in the issue.
Chaffetz questions were about waste and accountability. He was able to structure a solid line of questioning based upon the fact that DHS is requiring 1000 more rounds per agent than the United States Army requires for one of its soldiers:
Chaffetz, who chairs one of the House oversight subcommittees holding the hearing Thursday, revealed that the department currently has more than 260 million rounds in stock. He said the department bought more than 103 million rounds in 2012 and used 116 million that same year among roughly 70,000 agents.
Comparing that with the small-arms purchases procured by the U.S. Army, he said the DHS is churning through between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer, while the U.S. Army goes through roughly 350 rounds per soldier.
He noted that is roughly 1,000 rounds more per person.
Their officers use what seems to be an exorbitant amount of ammunition, he said.
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The people and the government are both arming up in preparation for an armed conflict between the two.
US ammo makers sell to those that want us dead.
Always remember this.
In a few years the government will say they lost it all in a boating accident.
Bush created a monster when he created the DHS.
Imagine a heavily armed, massive, expensive top-down Gov’t bureaucracy state-security apparatus with a political agenda.
Give it time to develop and expand its “mission” as all bureaucracies do, and in 15-20 years, you will know what I mean.
Obama’s “civilian defense force”?
They’re bad shots.
Congress needs to defund DHS and tell DHS to fund itself by selling amo.
I have a feeling that the Army ammunition usage cited is across literally every single member of the US army (only a small fraction of which are small-arms toting infantrymen) so it’s distorted by tens of thousands of REMFs, aviation guys, tankers, and other specialists who do very, very little small arms practice.
Agree it’s a monster but Bush didn’t see it coming. He proved his bonafides in protecting the homeland but it wasn’t because of the DHS that he was successful, and he knows it. And if you recall, Democrats were the most keen on doing this and that the TSA for instance have government employees as screeners. That it not be contracted out. Bottom line is they wanted more government union members and dues.
Now the Obama regime is using this in a way Bush didn’t foresee. But Bush will never say a word about current presidential policies and issues just like 41 didn’t. It’s a family code you don’t break, once out of presidential office.
I don’t think they’re necessarily arming up as much as they are trying to corner the market on ammo in an effort to deny it to gun owners.
The record speaks for itself. This administration has used every tool in the book to try and get to gun owners.
GE Capital not lending to gun related industries and now publicly admitting it.
Bank of America terminating accounts of gun businesses.
The list is endless and endlessly diffuse. It is all happening just below the surface so that anyone who calls attention to it for what it really is can easily be marginalized as a kooky conspiratorialist.
It is real.
There is a parade in Detroit. Two Islamic yoots on welfare blow up the route and people are killed and wounded. The entire US and federal law enforcement aparatus goes full scale operations to nab the bombers who fled to hide in Dearborn Michigan. The locals and feds start that door to door crap in Dearborn like they did in Boston..........Except three of five homes happen to be the followers of Muhammad, and immigrated here from the middle east.
Welcome to our own little Bosnia / Serbia pressure cooker.
How many Department of Homeland Security employees need to spend even one round of ammo in their entire career?
These are not used for training:
I'll bet more time has been spend investigating the political opponents of Obama (Republicans, conservatives, and Tea Party members) than time spent on radical Muslims.
The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen and his/her ammo supply.
Granted, they do Customs and Border Protection, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the U.S. Secret Service.
Even given that, how many of these 70,000 are pencil pushers whose biggest threat of being directly confronted with any illegal activity is eating something from Krispy Kreme that has improper nutritional labeling?
DHS bought a ton of Ammo, Probably, becaus they know there is going to be a limit on the amount each legal Citizen will be able to buy..
There is nothing Sacred to the OAF in the White House.
I think the firearm manufacturers have more clout than ammunition manufacturers. They’ll probably see their taxes magically double, or triple if they refuse to sell to the government.
> In a few years the government will say they lost it all in a boating accident.
And it will show up in the arsenals of drug gangs and al Qaeda-linked Muslim Brotherhood. Fast, Furious & Fatal.
And they are buying the EXPENSIVE stuff too! (Hollow points for PRACTICE????)
We used wad-cutters EVERY SINGLE TIME when I was in the Security Police in the Air Force. NEVER used hollow points.
Here is why Homeland Security is buying so much ammo (My Working Theory)
Sales. They must keep their inventory built up. Jihadis and drug cartels need boolets.
That would be my guess, or they are preparing for martial law, which, I suppose, is about the same.
Do a physical inventory. Bet they don’t have them.
It's "free" to them and they think it's theirs.
Am I wrong for taking advantage? Probably. Do I regret it? No.
The question that always arises when I read things like this is: “And what are we going to do about it?”
DHS has the same amount of ammo as would have kept US forces in Iraq shooting for 28 years. They have the same personnel strength as the USMC and TWICE their budget.
“We should have it JUST IN CASE” —same thing small towns said when they all went and got SWAT teams with fancy ninjya kook gear.
WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
We all know, and our dogs know, too.
Does the admin have to answer ANY questions from the Legislature, or not?
**WHY** DO WE HAVE A LEGISLATURE? As things currently stand this is unclear to me.
And I have a feeling the percentages of non-field types are not that much different for the DHS.
Ding. Ding. Ding. the winner.
I agree that some “brilliant” leftist figured they could just buy up all the ammo. They didn’t anticipate the power of the free market to just increase supply.
Either that, or another theory: When the economy collapses, they will restrict the Internet, and confiscate bank accounts, resulting in mass riots, which is when they will shoot everyone. Just sayin’...
“Agree its a monster but Bush didnt see it coming.”
I want to believe you on this. It’s hard to imagine someone like Bush intentionally creating something so counterproductive to American freedom and American culture.
You seem to know/understand more about this than anyone I’ve come across.
Would you explain why a Homeland Security was deemed necessary when we already have the FBI, CIA, NSA, State Police, Local Police, Sheriff, Coast Guard, ATF, and probably even more such agencies? If a DHS really is necessary to protect our homeland, why was it not around prior to the early 1990’s?
This is a treacherous time for patriots. The government will be all too happy if it succeeds in catalyzing large-scale demonstrations. Historically leftists have used situations like that to their benefit by putting in provocateurs and then tarring the whole group with the actions of the fake conservatives. We saw a lot of that during the tea party rallies during the first Obama administration. This time they will have huge stores of ammo and so their provocateurs can commit acts of violence and destruction of property that will dwarf the Occupy movement’s bad acts.
Can you imagine how much money could be made right now black marketing DhS bullets?
The DHS is quickly becoming Obama’s personal civilian army. This is unconstitutional and is a hellish direct threat to our liberty. The DHS is harassing innocent American citizens rather than concentrating on huge numbers of the Islamofacist enemy that are daily infiltrating into our country.
The DHS claims that the president does not have to enforce our immigration laws and in fact can pick and choose which laws he wishes to support.
And the DHS has published directives that constitution defending white Christian PATRIOT veterans are more of a threat to America than Islamic terrorism.
And the president, VP, and AG all go along with all this idiocy and also want to unconstitutionally disarm us patriots and deprive us of our first amendment rights.
This is treasonous madness!!
Close this rogue agency down immediately!!
Impeach Obama, Biden, Napolitano and Holder and run them out of Dodge!!
You dont think the DHS is filled to the gills with REMF’s?
Some of us questioned Go expansion via DHS under GWB.
You hand that kind of power to a megalomaniac like Obama and you got trouble.
Funny that the people on the left that saw Bush as out of control, now fawn all over Obama even as he has expanded surveillance of citizens 4 fold.
Absolutely. We must keep exposing these Traitors, spreading the word far and wide to reach even the ‘American Idol’ crowd. We need to break throught the screen of the compliant Leftist media.
AS I understand it, DHS has a 5 year contract with a cap of 1.6 billion rounds to be delivered.
Those orders are not in place.
They just have a contract that reserves their right to order that amount of ammo over 5 years.
I have not seen what they have on order, but SOMEONE is buying all that ammo up.
The shortage is real.
If we impeach Obama (and that is unlikely without the senate)
All we will do is make this ***hole a political martyr.
Again, It is best to work to change the balance of the Senate and to reinforce the Congress.
Let Obama own all of this crap and lean on your representatives.
Obama may muck us around for another 3 years via executive orders, but I can ride that out.
Every new department is a monster...Dept of Energy, EPA, Dept of Education, DHS. Dept of State was infiltrated in the 30s by communists who influenced a generation of foreign policy in favor of the soviets. Dept of Commerce is useless. What is really worthwhile in any of them?
The shortage is real, but the cause of it is
“oh, there’s a shortage of ammo, I need to buy all I can when it gets to the shelf”
“why are the shelves always bare?”
I remember when Bush started Homeland Security. All the agencies you listed were on their own and information was not being shared. Homeland Security was created as a hub where all information from the various agencies was collected and shared. Eventually, the key organizations below were added to Homeland Security to administer:
Key Organizations, A-Z
Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US CERT)
Domestic Nuclear Detection Office
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Management Under Secretary
Operations Coordination Office
Science and Technology Directorate
Transportation Security Administration
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
U.S. Coast Guard
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
U.S. Secret Service
” Again, It is best to work to change the balance of the Senate and to reinforce the Congress.”
With what? The Republican Party has gone liberal. Good luck finding candidates with the balls to take on the tyrant and his gang.
A mega dittos bump!!
Thanks for taking the time to write that.
Good luck stopping Obamas entrenched henchmen with impeachment.
Clean out the nest.