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Republicans and Democrats in Washington Conspire to Exempt Themselves from Obamacare
Red State ^ | 4/25/2013 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 04/25/2013 2:23:12 AM PDT by markomalley

If this happens, the nation needs to collectively march on Washington, DC, burn it to the ground, and spread salt over the ground.

According to the Politico, in super secret “high-level, confidential talks”, Harry Reid, John Boehner, the Obama administration, and other lawmakers are working to exempt themselves and their staffs from Obamacare.

They want to rush it through, probably sneaking it through on some other legislation that no one cares about, and get it all done before anyone can say anything about it.

If the Republican Party leadership in Congress goes along with this ride, there will need to be a new third party that challenges both the GOP and Democrats.

Congressional leaders in both parties are engaged in high-level, confidential talks about exempting lawmakers and Capitol Hill aides from the insurance exchanges they are mandated to join as part of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, sources in both parties said.

The talks — which involve Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), the Obama administration and other top lawmakers — are extraordinarily sensitive, with both sides acutely aware of the potential for political fallout from giving carve-outs from the hugely controversial law to 535 lawmakers and thousands of their aides. Discussions have stretched out for months, sources said.

Credit where due, Senator Richard Burr (R-NC) was willing to go on record saying, “I think if this is going to be a disaster — which I think it’s going to be — we ought to enjoy it together with our constituents.” Amen to that.

If Congress does this, there must be repercussions from the public. You know I don’t think highly of congress critters, but I just can’t imagine the GOP being stupid enough to do this. Yes, I recognize they’re the stupid party, but still.


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1 posted on 04/25/2013 2:23:12 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

damn...can they DO THAT? the princelings and dukelings strike again....what the heck?


2 posted on 04/25/2013 2:30:43 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: markomalley

I hope they try it....


3 posted on 04/25/2013 2:33:27 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: markomalley

“The problem stems from whether members and aides set to enter the exchanges would have their health insurance premiums subsidized by their employer — in this case, the federal government. If not, aides and lawmakers in both parties fear that staffers — especially low-paid junior aides — could be hit with thousands of dollars in new health care costs, prompting them to seek jobs elsewhere. Older, more senior staffers could also retire or jump to the private sector rather than face a big financial penalty.”

They can’t be worried about losing staffers to the private sector because the private sector isn’t hiring!!!! The real truth is that extra costs are going to hurt them just like everyone else.


4 posted on 04/25/2013 2:44:00 AM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: markomalley

George Orwell said it right: “All animals are equal but some are more equal that others.”

Who would have ever believed that a book written in 1946 would become the history of today?


5 posted on 04/25/2013 2:57:28 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: markomalley

I really despse this evil govt.


6 posted on 04/25/2013 3:00:25 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: markomalley

If this happens, the nation needs to collectively march on Washington, DC, burn it to the ground, and spread salt over the ground.

WHY WAIT?


7 posted on 04/25/2013 3:00:51 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: markomalley

We need to start forming star chambers.

Too many people in power consider themselves “outside the law”
and get away with it that there needs to be fear struck into their hearts, so they will follow the law.

Just look at this administration, they have gotten away with so much treasonous and illegal activity. That it is mind boggling, and no one is holding them accountable for their actions. As soon as fast and the furious happened, and has been covered up. Not one person has been sent to jail, impeached, or resigned over it. Guess what happened? Benghazi happened next. You have Hillary Clinton, basically telling Congress that it makes no difference that we didn’t send help (which was readily available) and 4 Americans died, and the survivors(37?) STILL HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD FROM(NOT ONE WORD FROM A BENGHAZI SURVIVOR) which I personally find very very odd and unnerving.

Then Boston, so far we know there was a Saudi terrorist that was deported, and there are 1(maybe 2) Saudi’s in custody.

What next?

America needs to defend itself, and the government is NOT DOING IT’S JOB. It’s way way way past time for citizens like yourselves and I to take up the task of restoring justice, and order to the country we love.

That’s really all there is to it. These people must be stopped, at all costs. It may be too late. Who knows.


8 posted on 04/25/2013 3:05:35 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: maddog55

Make that ARMED nation!


9 posted on 04/25/2013 3:11:05 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: markomalley
The problem stems from whether members and aides set to enter the exchanges would have their health insurance premiums subsidized by their employer — in this case, the federal government. If not, aides and lawmakers in both parties fear that staffers — especially low-paid junior aides — could be hit with thousands of dollars in new health care costs, prompting them to seek jobs elsewhere

But, but, but....the "Affordable Health Care Act" was supposed to lower costs for everyone!!!!

Oh the agony for these poor politicians and staff members!

10 posted on 04/25/2013 3:13:22 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
"I hope they try it...."

They will definitely try it. Look at the laws passed by congress that they are exempt from.
I agree with others this is the final straw.
Time to take OUR country back.

If this doesn't inflame those of us considered the Silent Majority nothing will. . . . . .

11 posted on 04/25/2013 3:21:21 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Call it what it is: Attempt at People Control: NOT GUN CONTROL. Gun control is holding it steady.)
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To: DeaconRed

Yes,that’s how I see it...a definite final straw. This over reach is just astonishing...


12 posted on 04/25/2013 3:22:55 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: markomalley

The commissars don’t want to be bound by the restrictions they place on the proles.

Wow, there’s a shocker.

It’d make one want to tear up the constitution if that hadn’t been done already.


13 posted on 04/25/2013 3:25:24 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: markomalley
"collectively march on Washington, DC, burn it to the ground, and spread salt over the ground.”

An idea that incresingly has merit. Certainly there are enough lamp posts for all of the members of Congress to dangle from.

14 posted on 04/25/2013 3:26:35 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I really despise this evil govt.

May I venture, it is not the govt, that is evil!

Our wise founders established a perfect, Ok, a near perfect blue print for generations to follow, and they established it knowing and planning for the frailties and weakness of human nature.

It follows that within govt, and without, lies the true evil in human form.


15 posted on 04/25/2013 3:31:22 AM PDT by wita
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To: markomalley

General comment follows:

Well WTF did people expect?

The “Principles do not matter” and “Purists are the death of the party” crowd shouted down people committed to traditional conservatism and this is what happens.

Since principles do not matter, as many here were screamed at for months, you now have a party with all the checks off. They are free to agree show everyone the result of abandoning principle. How does it taste? How does the “principles don’t matter” crowd like living the result of that belief? How does the “purists are destroying the party” crowd justify the hypocrisy of bitching about a party that has become anything but purist?

And before anyone falls on the old say about all that being in the past and we have to come together now and other crap....no. You do not get a free pass. Because it is your collective fault we are in this mess to begin with and you can choke on it. The time to come together was before the barn door got kicked wide open. Well the horse is out. The whole herd is out. And you opened that door when you accepted and campaigned for ‘moderation’ in exchange for a ‘win’ you never got. But you got that moderation in spades. You got so much moderation the GOP is now indistinguishable from a hard left Democrat.

So before any talk about ‘coming together’ gets started, perhaps those of you now suddenly having a come to Jesus moment on the GOP should decide where your head and heart is really at. Because the rest of us are pretty fed up with the whole Charlie Brown/Lucy football schtick and don’t trust you any farther than we can throw you. And while you’re at it, repeat after me...

“Principles matter.”

If you can’t do that, even to yourselves, just finish what you started and register as a Democrat and make it official.


16 posted on 04/25/2013 3:34:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Well Norm I hope you feel better - but methinks you read only the headline, fell for it, and didn’t actually read the entire article. I don’t trust Boehner, and I’m no big fan of Richard Burr of NC, but what we find out in the article is a far different story than what we see in the header. This is still mostly a Democrat maneuver. In fact, what Burr said, who can be a squish sometimes, was very good.


17 posted on 04/25/2013 3:37:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Norm Lenhart

BTTT!


18 posted on 04/25/2013 3:39:44 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I also read all the articles on the GOP cave on immigration, the GOP support of gay marriage and calls within the GOP to moderate on Abortion.

You want to trust these idiots? It’s your reputation. Be my guest.


19 posted on 04/25/2013 3:40:54 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: markomalley

This is an old “conspiracy” which should have been brought out during the 2012 election cycle when the G.O.P.E.S. {government ofthe people elite snob(s})and RINOS decided not to play up this,the hidden taxes, and on and on about Obamacare.
http://www.theusmat.com/


20 posted on 04/25/2013 3:41:07 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause..Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Nope, simply commenting that you probably fell victim to a headline from an organization whose main goal is to sew discord among conservatives - and clearly I was right. And clearly you are not reading very well today, since I explicity said I do NOT trust the idiots - and yet.....there you go again....


21 posted on 04/25/2013 3:42:50 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

>>If the Republican Party leadership in Congress goes along with this ride, there will need to be a new third party that challenges both the GOP<<

There’s not already enough reasons up till now for a third party?

Man oh man, what’s it gonna take?


22 posted on 04/25/2013 3:46:28 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: markomalley

We are most assuredly on our own. We have absolutely NO representation in DC. They are NOT looking out for us.


23 posted on 04/25/2013 3:47:24 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Oh look. more nonsense.

First, show where anything I posted was wrong. until then, the alynski crap won’t work. Remember CE, I have history on my side. You have accusations.

I have a recent history filled with GOP doing all sorts of leftist crap.

What do you have? Claims I can’t read? Yea...


24 posted on 04/25/2013 3:49:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: markomalley
hmmm ~ thought it was FR doctrine that they'd already done that ~ exempted themselves?

So now they are secretly plotting and planning to do that.

They used to be covered by the FEHB ~ Federal Employee Health Benefit program which is 'sposed to be the very model for the 'Exchange' nonsense.

Then, they made themselves subject to the ObamaKKKare rules BUT, and it's an enormous BUT, GINORMOUS, DOUBLE GINORMOUS SUPER COLOSSAL BUT, even bigger than Michelle's ~ I didn't see where they'd been kicked out of FEHB!

Which means........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing changed and it's not likely to change, and this is a hoax ~ so, why doesn't somebody read the bill to see what is 'sposed to happen. Bet Max Baucus knows ~ which is why he is retiring ~ but is he moving to Costa Rica where he can get a doctor?

25 posted on 04/25/2013 4:01:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: FreedomStar3028
"America needs to defend itself, and the government is NOT DOING IT’S JOB."

I'm with you, but it's even worse than that...the government doesn't even know what it's job IS.

26 posted on 04/25/2013 4:10:42 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: muawiyah

Or it’s a ruse to get people off the fact that the GOP keeps funding Obama’s cash and weapons donations to terrorist muslim countries? Or their great silence on the Boston terror issue re Admin involvement/coverup

Either way the GOP is the failed bulwark.


27 posted on 04/25/2013 4:10:48 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Well, you do have John McCain going over to the forces of jihad who want to murder Americans in their beds.


28 posted on 04/25/2013 4:13:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

True. They aren’t silent. My bad.

They are complicit.


29 posted on 04/25/2013 4:14:43 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: markomalley

markomalley (from the article)~:
“ Congressional leaders in both parties are engaged in high-level, confidential talks about exempting lawmakers and Capitol Hill aides from the insurance exchanges they are mandated to join as part of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, sources in both parties said.”

Do you need any more evidence of an ‘elitist’ government ?
Good enough for you plebeians
Not good enough for us aristocrats !!


30 posted on 04/25/2013 4:23:26 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ("Political correctness is tyranny with manners." - Charlton Heston)
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To: markomalley

This ALREADY happened.

The Congressbastards are immune as are all Moslems
as a reward for attacking America over and over and over.


31 posted on 04/25/2013 4:23:33 AM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Norm Lenhart

you are hyper conflating.


32 posted on 04/25/2013 4:23:44 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: markomalley

The legislation also comes with an allowance for luxury dachas for each of the lawmakers. (Taxpayers will take turns tending to the landscaping.)

/s/

IMHO


33 posted on 04/25/2013 4:25:53 AM PDT by ripley
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To: servantboy777

That may be true, but that’s another (though related) topic. My only point is here is that the Politico’s headline is very misleading. The quotes from the Republicans inside the article do not indicate they are going to go along with this. It’s worth watching for sure, and I have no confidence in them, especially Boehner, but I also know the source is worth being skeptical of.


34 posted on 04/25/2013 4:26:31 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: markomalley

New Amendment:

Congress shall pass no law that does not apply equally them, as it does the people.


35 posted on 04/25/2013 4:28:24 AM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: markomalley

Post/thread BUMP! “Socialism Is Legal Plunder” - Bastiat

The greatest TOTALITARIAN legislation this millennium in the “free”/s republic.

Serve, protect, defend? Plunder, force, kill.


36 posted on 04/25/2013 4:41:42 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: vmivol00

Yep, and another one....congress shall not consider legislation combining unrelated issues as addendums.


37 posted on 04/25/2013 4:59:34 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: markomalley

when writing Obamacare they forgot the detail. so they stated that they can add whatever they want with no vote. it is in the fine print on page 1699, just after the fine print - Obama has been declared supreme leader for the free world. and it includes Obama’s student loan indebtedness is exempt and there is a hidden clause All social security recipents whom have a college degree whom have unpaid student loans, (obama exempt because his disability - stupidity) will pay back the loans for the rest of their unnatural lives which is 5 - 10 years which ever comes first.


38 posted on 04/25/2013 5:03:59 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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39 posted on 04/25/2013 5:23:02 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: markomalley

Slaughter-House cases. 83 U.S. 36., (1872)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=83&page=36

The government cannot take a right from you and give it to another. Part of the case, was New Orleans had set up a large area to slaughter farm animals. This gave the corporation the exclusive right to slaughter all farm animals in the parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, and St. Bernard. And a land owner could not sell animals or produce from his private land.
This is a 5th and 14th Amendment and Article 1 section 10 VIOLATION.
“No Title of Nobility shall be granted”

GIBBONS v. OGDEN, 22 U.S. 1 (1824)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=22&page=1

The acts of the Legislature of the State of New York, granting to Robert R. Livingston and Robert Fulton the exclusive navigation of all the waters within the jurisdiction of that, with boats moved by fire or steam, for a term of years.

Lakewood v. Plain Dealer Publishing Co,. 486 U.S. 750 (1988)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=486&page=750

Here we find another pick and choose as to who will get the favors of the government.

Columbia v. Omni Outdoor Advertising 449 U.S. (1991)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=499&page=365

The city fathers wanted to have one sign company to put up all of the signs in the City of Columbia, South Carolina. So this is another loss for the great leaders of our local government. They don’t seem to realize our U. S. Constitution is for equality, and not a buddy system.

Leathers v. Medlock,. 499 U.S. 439 (1991)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=499&page=439

Another case of playing favorites. This one is about taxes. It seems that the state of Arkansas wanted to charge Mr. Medlock taxes on his cable television subscribers and not on newspapers and magazines. They all three entertain, give out news, do advertising so they should pay equal taxes. Newspapers and magazines could do good for elected officials.


40 posted on 04/25/2013 5:33:51 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: DeaconRed

They already did it. There are parts of NobamaCare that they are already exempt from.


41 posted on 04/25/2013 5:41:56 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: markomalley

Any senator or representative who is not actively speaking out against this idea is actually for it. So far I only hear Senator Burr — contrasted with a deafening silence from the Georgia delegation...


42 posted on 04/25/2013 5:50:07 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: wita

Our constitutional form of government can only function properly when our elected officials are decent, moral, God-fearing people.


43 posted on 04/25/2013 6:35:25 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet
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To: markomalley

OK, I am now officially confused. I thought obamacare was approved as a tax form our wonderful SCOTUS. If that is the case, then why/how do you exempt yourself? Everyone who works pays income tax. Everyone is subjected to obamacare as a tax, so everyone should be subjected to it. If congress can exempt themselves from Obamatax then why don’t they just exempt themselves from income tax, property tax, sales tax etc?

THIS IS TOTAL BULLCHIT


44 posted on 04/25/2013 6:38:17 AM PDT by Axelsrd
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To: markomalley
Republicans and Democrats in Washington Conspire to Exempt Themselves from Obamacare

"We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005

45 posted on 04/25/2013 6:45:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: DeaconRed

Where and how do you start to take the Country back when you have people continually electing Boehner like representatives and 50+or- of the people electing a person like Obama to be their POTUSA. I am not giving up my God given rights as the Founders set out in the original Constitution but I am looking for the stating line and time for the great revival.


46 posted on 04/25/2013 6:52:06 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: vmivol00
Congress shall pass no law that does not apply equally them, as it does the people.

Amen.

47 posted on 04/25/2013 6:56:25 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Resolute Conservative
"They already did it. There are parts of NobamaCare that they are already exempt from."

Good: This should be the spark we have been waiting on to ignite the FIRE.
Especially when people realize the TRUE COST of ObamaDon't care, so called health care.

48 posted on 04/25/2013 7:39:14 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Call it what it is: Attempt at People Control: NOT GUN CONTROL. Gun control is holding it steady.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Richard Burr's commendable statements and feelings aside, I've heard elsewhere that Boehner appears sympathetic to his staff and aides in Congress. That's tantamount to support, for whatever reason.

I hope you're correct suggesting Politico is simply trying to splatter some of Harry Reid's mud onto Boehner,

49 posted on 04/25/2013 7:46:17 AM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: jimsin

They’re exempt from insider trading laws,
so I don’t think there’s anything they can’t exempt themselves from...

capital murder, maybe, might be the exception.


50 posted on 04/25/2013 7:49:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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