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Cruz: Path to Citizenship Would 'Jeopardize' Immigration Bill
Breitbart.com ^ | April 23rd, 2013 | Tony Lee

Posted on 04/23/2013 7:04:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

On Monday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) said that including a "path to citizenship" for illegal immigrants in any comprehensive immigration bill would jeopardize the likelihood of the legislation passing. “I think if instead the bill includes elements that are deeply divisive--and I would note that I don’t think there is any issue in this entire debate that is more divisive than a path to citizenship for those who are here illegally--in my view, any bill that insists upon that jeopardizes the likelihood of passing any immigration reform bill,” Cruz said at the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing, according to CNS News. The conservative senator from Texas said Americans should "all be champions of legal immigrants making the system work" and celebrate legal immigrants. He said the bill should focus on improving legal immigration instead of giving a pathway to citizenship to illegal immigrants. The Gang of Eight's proposed immigration bill includes an eventual path to citizenship for the country's current illegal immigrants. Sens. John McCain (R-AZ), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) are Republicans that make up the Gang of Eight, along with Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Michael Bennet (D-CO), and Bob Menendez (D-NJ). Cruz said he hoped the "reform legislation will not be held hostage to an issue that is deeply, deeply divisive, namely a pathway to citizenship." He said it was his hope that Congress could pass a bipartisan bill addressing areas of common agreement like "securing the border, improving legal immigration, improving agricultural workers to ensure that we have workers who are here out of the shadows, able to work legally." "In my view, that’s how we get something done--we focus on areas of agreement, not on areas of disagreement, and

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1 posted on 04/23/2013 7:04:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; Colonel_Flagg; Washi; ...

This is what you call conservative Leadership!

Ted Cruz: No pathway to citizenship in any Immigration Reform bill!

This shows Rubio and Rand Paul to be the frauds they are in terms of Tea-Party and conservative principles!

This is a man not caving on the Important issue of the day!

This is how it is done!


2 posted on 04/23/2013 7:06:55 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
No need to pass a new immigration bill.

We know they'll only enforce the parts that result in more Democrat voters.

3 posted on 04/23/2013 7:07:22 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: SoConPubbie

Not sure where the paragraphs went; added them back in.

On Monday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) said that including a “path to citizenship” for illegal immigrants in any comprehensive immigration bill would jeopardize the likelihood of the legislation passing.

“I think if instead the bill includes elements that are deeply divisive—and I would note that I don’t think there is any issue in this entire debate that is more divisive than a path to citizenship for those who are here illegally—in my view, any bill that insists upon that jeopardizes the likelihood of passing any immigration reform bill,” Cruz said at the Senate Judiciary Committee’s hearing, according to CNS News.

The conservative senator from Texas said Americans should “all be champions of legal immigrants making the system work” and celebrate legal immigrants. He said the bill should focus on improving legal immigration instead of giving a pathway to citizenship to illegal immigrants.

The Gang of Eight’s proposed immigration bill includes an eventual path to citizenship for the country’s current illegal immigrants. Sens. John McCain (R-AZ), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) are Republicans that make up the Gang of Eight, along with Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Michael Bennet (D-CO), and Bob Menendez (D-NJ).

Cruz said he hoped the “reform legislation will not be held hostage to an issue that is deeply, deeply divisive, namely a pathway to citizenship.” He said it was his hope that Congress could pass a bipartisan bill addressing areas of common agreement like “securing the border, improving legal immigration, improving agricultural workers to ensure that we have workers who are here out of the shadows, able to work legally.”

“In my view, that’s how we get something done—we focus on areas of agreement, not on areas of disagreement, and


4 posted on 04/23/2013 7:08:04 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

NO IMMMIGATION BILL OF ANY KIND!


5 posted on 04/23/2013 7:08:57 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
NO IMMMIGATION BILL OF ANY KIND!

Sorry, but nothing he is suggesting is harmful or non-conservative.
Cruz said he hoped the “reform legislation will not be held hostage to an issue that is deeply, deeply divisive, namely a pathway to citizenship.” He said it was his hope that Congress could pass a bipartisan bill addressing areas of common agreement like “securing the border, improving legal immigration, improving agricultural workers to ensure that we have workers who are here out of the shadows, able to work legally.”

6 posted on 04/23/2013 7:11:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
Cruz is a breath of fresh air.

Of course without a path to citizenship there would be little reason for the democrats to get behind this abomination.

7 posted on 04/23/2013 7:13:42 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SoConPubbie

I am waiting to see somebody INSIST that any bill that purports to bring illegal aliens “out of the shadows” MUST have a voter ID provision. I have no idea how Democrat states could be forced to comply, but something has to be done.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 7:17:10 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
I am waiting to see somebody INSIST that any bill that purports to bring illegal aliens “out of the shadows” MUST have a voter ID provision. I have no idea how Democrat states could be forced to comply, but something has to be done.

I believe that his usage of Agricultural works has to do with seasonal workers, and that his usage of the term "Out of the Shadows" does not mean legalizing or any other form of Amnesty but just that any future workers will not be in the shadows. That is my hope, and given the way he has phrased this, I believe I am correct.
9 posted on 04/23/2013 7:19:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

I like the cut of Cruz’s cloth. Texas picked a good ‘un.


10 posted on 04/23/2013 7:23:50 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Anything that indicates that entering,or remaining in,the US in violation of Federal law is anything less than a serious felony is a danger to the nation.


11 posted on 04/23/2013 7:24:51 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Anything that indicates that entering,or remaining in,the US in violation of Federal law is anything less than a serious felony is a danger to the nation.

I agree, however, I don't believe that is what Ted Cruz was suggesting.
12 posted on 04/23/2013 7:27:44 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
Cruz is great, let's help him hold on when the time comes.

This bill is such a joke, how depressing that 4 pubbies are standing for a bill that Chuck Schumer loves.

13 posted on 04/23/2013 7:27:44 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: SoConPubbie
This is what you call conservative Leadership! Ted Cruz: No pathway to citizenship in any Immigration Reform bill!

Excellent! I'm very proud to have given Ted Cruz my vote for US Senator!

14 posted on 04/23/2013 7:29:23 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

We’re pretty proud of’em.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 7:31:03 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Gay State Conservative

->>NO IMMMIGATION BILL OF ANY KIND!

YES, a perfect slogan.


16 posted on 04/23/2013 7:31:21 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: SoConPubbie
->This shows Rubio and Rand Paul to be the frauds they are in terms of Tea-Party and conservative principles!

Yes, these two have stepped in it. Rubio can't talk his way of this mess unless he says I am wrong-don't see that happening.

17 posted on 04/23/2013 7:34:30 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: skeeter

Right....reading between the lines Cruz knows that the bill is dead without the “pathway” so if they can strip it out nothing passes.


18 posted on 04/23/2013 7:38:57 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: SoConPubbie

It would be a GRAVE MISTAKE for a number of reasons to put any foreign national currently residing here without permission of the US government (aka: “illegal alien”), to have the right to vote, no matter sooner or later after he is given whatever legal status that Congress passes.

Did I also mention that these people SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO VOTE?


19 posted on 04/23/2013 7:41:29 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Christie at the beach

I heard Rubio for about 60 seconds tonight and had to turn him off! You can’t polish a T$&&! Go away Rubio!


20 posted on 04/23/2013 7:42:23 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz is who we wanted Marcie Rubio to be.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 7:44:49 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: lone star annie

Isn’t is cringingly horrible what Marco Rubio turned out to be after we wanted him to replace Crist? I mean, He’s Getting FAT. He thinks he’s so pretty, like Ricky Ricardo. He represents...Mamacita? What a cruel letdown and dissappointment. I think Lindsey Graham and McCain are laughing at Wonder Cuban Sandwich.


22 posted on 04/23/2013 7:47:11 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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Ron Paul fans furious over Rand Paul’s drone flip-flop
Foreign Policy | April 23, 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 04/23/2013 4:18:10 PM PDT by BfloGuy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3011536/posts

Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
LATimes.com | March 19, 2013 | Michael A. Memoli
Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3010596/posts


23 posted on 04/23/2013 7:59:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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24 posted on 04/23/2013 7:59:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SoConPubbie.


25 posted on 04/23/2013 7:59:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Mamzelle

Rubio’ s still rock solid on almost e Rey other issue important to us. I am not willing to completely abandon him. He is, in fact, embarrassing himself on this issue....badly.


26 posted on 04/23/2013 8:00:24 PM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: SoConPubbie

I don’t think these criminal aliens should EVER be allowed to vote. PERIOD!

Never, ever any government benefits, either.


27 posted on 04/23/2013 8:02:25 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand disappointed me for the last time...

I don’t care if Cruz isn’t eligible, neither is the current resident, Cruz 2016..... Until he disappointing me too,...


28 posted on 04/23/2013 8:07:29 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz and Sessions for pres. & VP! In either order.


29 posted on 04/23/2013 8:19:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Mamzelle

He reminds me more of Tony Montana LOL. Done with Rubio! GOP is scared to death of the Latino vote. Instead of working with legal immigrants they are bottom feeding!


30 posted on 04/23/2013 8:49:35 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: lone star annie
GOP is scared to death of the Latino vote. Instead of working with legal immigrants they are bottom feeding!

Yet, every poll I've seen of legal Hispanics has them dead-set against amnesty by a 2-to-1 margin.

31 posted on 04/23/2013 8:59:51 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Stupid party!!! Almost every legal Latinio tells me they don’t want illegals taking their jobs!!


32 posted on 04/23/2013 9:09:36 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: ilgipper
“Rubio’ s still rock solid on almost e Rey other issue important to us. I am not willing to completely abandon him. He is, in fact, embarrassing himself on this issue....badly.”
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I'm willing to completely abandon him! If this Amnesty Bill goes through, brought to you by the “Gang of Eight”, the Democrats will be in power forever! Apparently you do not understand this concept!

Did you not hear Rubio being interviewed by Rush last week? Rubio said early on that this POS immigration bill would have to have border security as its first provision before he would sign onto it. Well guess what, IT DOESN'T! And good old Marco Rubio is still going to sign onto it!

This is one issue we cannot be wrong on, and Rubio is wrong on it. I could give a rats a$$ where else we agree. He's basically bending over and giving the Dems exactly what they want, Democrats in power forever. Rush was calling him out on this, and Rubio bull sh*tted his way through the entirety of Rush's interview!

I'm sure Rubio appreciates your support...so do the Dems! Please F-ing wake up!

33 posted on 04/23/2013 9:21:32 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: SoConPubbie

It’s worse than that. Cruz is for ‘out of the shadows’ incremental amnesty.

All of our new tea party heroes are frauds on some level.


34 posted on 04/23/2013 9:43:49 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SoConPubbie

Of course what Cruz is advocating is harmful. He’s looking to legalize tens of millions of illegals. That’s bad and hugely expensive for our country and it will inevitably end up with them becoming citizens and registered Democrat voters.

It’s clear: no Texas pol dares oppose what is essentially the Hispanicization of the country.


35 posted on 04/23/2013 9:55:45 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Lakeshark

Cruz is just looking to put a little mayonnaise on what is still a turd sandwich.


36 posted on 04/23/2013 9:56:41 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: lone star annie

Why won’t your legal Latino friends vote for Republicans?


37 posted on 04/23/2013 10:24:41 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: 9YearLurker
It’s worse than that. Cruz is for ‘out of the shadows’ incremental amnesty.

Can you provide links for that, or is that just your analysis of his statements provided in this article?
38 posted on 04/23/2013 11:02:18 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: 9YearLurker
Of course what Cruz is advocating is harmful. He’s looking to legalize tens of millions of illegals. That’s bad and hugely expensive for our country and it will inevitably end up with them becoming citizens and registered Democrat voters.

Please show where he is proposing this.
39 posted on 04/23/2013 11:02:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Mamzelle

Cruz is an American. He’s smart and he’s a lawyer. He can talk and chew gum at the same time. He’s loyal to Texas and America.

Rubio is a citizen of the world, aka, a globalist. That is why the Bushes put him up when voters rejected fancy pants Charlie. I have seen plenty of Rino from Rubio.

You probably already know this but some on FR might not understand the motive behind the Bushes and other globalists push to legalize illegals after purposfully keeping the borders unprotected.

They want to create a new governing body known as the North American Union with Mexico, Canada and the US ;(like the EU, ewwwww!). They want for people to be North American citizens and erase the Natonal terrority boundries. They want to lay the same governance, body of laws and rights on all three nations and the constitution is getting in the way of that.

The foreigners they want to give amnesty to are not loyal to the US nor the constitution. They will fall for the globalist lies.


40 posted on 04/24/2013 12:14:33 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SoConPubbie

He actually uses the ‘out of the shadows’ phrase in a quote in the article, and is thus clearly talking about making the tens of millions legal—though at this point he says he’d prefer to stop short of making them citizens.

Making the lawbreakers here legal is in itself amnesty, but I don’t believe that they’d be left legal long-term without making them citizens, anyway.


41 posted on 04/24/2013 2:55:56 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SoConPubbie

This is from his quote above, “to ensure that we have workers who are here out of the shadows, able to work legally,” where the only issue he has with the status given to them in the bill—which provides all kinds of ways for the administration to legalize more and more categories of illegals by fiat—is providing them citizenship because it is ‘divisive’.

‘Divisive’, by the way, is code for politically unpopular at this point and maybe tough to get through Congress.


42 posted on 04/24/2013 2:59:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Artcore; ilgipper

Exactly. Rubio is not only embarrassing himself on this one issue, he is setting up permanent minority political status for conservatives in this country.

Not for nothing has he been a longtime Bush political property.


43 posted on 04/24/2013 3:01:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SoConPubbie

BTW, one way Cruz got the GOP nomination was by beating up on Dewhurst for being weak on illegal immigration:

http://www.ontheissues.org/international/Ted_Cruz_Immigration.htm

He swore that he was against amnesty during the campaign. His one fig leaf he’s holding up over that position now is wishing the bill didn’t also grant citizenship in one fell swoop.


44 posted on 04/24/2013 3:23:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Cut and paste from an earlier thread:

Those in this country without a “green card” are ineligible to apply for citizenship. Those here on a student visa, for example, cannot apply for citizenship. However, as soon as you grant permanent residency to someone, then they have a path to citizenship automatically.

Therefore a new immigration status needs to be created called “Permanent Guest Worker” and we can hand out those “Blue Cards” or whatever to the Illegals who are living here. Gives you the right to live in this country, come and go as you please, pay taxes, etc., but cannot apply for permanent residency (or by extnesion citizenship) unless they surrender their “blue card” and return to their own country to apply for permanent residency through the legal channels like everyone else. No changes to the permanent residency laws need to be made.

Brings the illegals “out of the shadows” (as if they’re currently hiding while applying for drivers licenses, welfare benefits, and in state tuition at universities) while not creating tens of millions of new Democratic voters. No changes to the citizenship laws need to be made because they are already geared to permanent residents. This new immigration status won’t be a permanent residency, but permanent guest worker.

Then after this program is established, we really crack down on arrest, detainment, and deportation of anyone without a valid visa (green card, the new “blue card,” or temporary work, tourist, or student visa.) That’s where you’d have to trust the POS who is POTUS. None of this would happen for several years, so we’d have to trust Hilda Beast Clintoon...


45 posted on 04/24/2013 3:40:23 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: 9YearLurker

All he’s saying there is that he fears granting citizenship in the bill will jeopardize its passing, and he wants to see the bill passed.

Here are the last two paragraphs of the article, complete with his quoting the old “out of the shadows” saw:

Cruz said he hoped the “reform legislation will not be held hostage to an issue that is deeply, deeply divisive, namely a pathway to citizenship.” He said it was his hope that Congress could pass a bipartisan bill addressing areas of common agreement like “securing the border, improving legal immigration, improving agricultural workers to ensure that we have workers who are here out of the shadows, able to work legally.”

“In my view, that’s how we get something done—we focus on areas of agreement, not on areas of disagreement, and I’m hopeful that over the course of consideration, we’ll see some consensus come together to do exactly that,” he said.


46 posted on 04/24/2013 3:46:09 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
He swore that he was against amnesty during the campaign. His one fig leaf he’s holding up over that position now is wishing the bill didn’t also grant citizenship in one fell swoop.

Really?

I just read his on-the-issues page link you provided.

I must be either incapable of reading or real slow today.

What about his positions did you find objectable from a conservative, closed-border, anti-illegal alien position from that page?
47 posted on 04/24/2013 5:54:11 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: 9YearLurker
This is from his quote above, “to ensure that we have workers who are here out of the shadows, able to work legally,” where the only issue he has with the status given to them in the bill—which provides all kinds of ways for the administration to legalize more and more categories of illegals by fiat—is providing them citizenship because it is ‘divisive’.

‘Divisive’, by the way, is code for politically unpopular at this point and maybe tough to get through Congress.


Sorry 9YL, I'm not reading into this what you are.

He's made it very clear in that same article you've read that he'll have no part of anything that gives Illegals a path to citizenship.
48 posted on 04/24/2013 5:56:14 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

He makes it clear in the article that his objection to including citizenship in this bill is that it might keep it from passing.

But he wants to legalize people, supports the bulk of the hideous bill, and the only inevitable step left is to eventually give them citizenship.

If you can’t see a massive amnesty and capitulation in that, as well as that being in contradiction to the tough stand he ran on, then I don’t think there’s anything more I can quote or show you to open your eyes.


49 posted on 04/24/2013 6:33:41 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SoConPubbie

Poison pill amendment: Any person having entered any of the United States illegally may not vote in national[1] elections if subsequently naturalized.

(Personally, I don’t think that having entered illegally they should EVER be naturalized, but we all know that the polital class want.)

Poison pill amendment 2: Any person naturalized by the above bill may not vote in national elections for a period of 20 years from the date of naturalization[2].

[1] States rights - let then decide state/local.
[2] This is Rush’s idea, NOT mine.


50 posted on 04/24/2013 6:41:14 AM PDT by Peet (Come back with a warrant.)
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