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North Caucasus Rebels Deny Link to Boston Attack ( We Kill Much Better )
Google ^ | 04/21/13 | Dmitry Zaks

Posted on 04/21/2013 9:54:16 AM PDT by STD

North Caucasus rebels deny link to Boston attack By Dmitry Zaks (AFP) – 1 hour ago MOSCOW, Russia — A prominent rebel group from Russia's North Caucasus on Sunday denied any link to the deadly Boston Marathon bombings that have been blamed on two ethnic-Chechen suspects.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: boston; chechens; cowardice
"The command of the Vilayat Dagestan mujahedeen... declares that the Caucasus fighters are not waging any military activities against the United States of America," said a statement posted on the rebels' Kavkazcenter.com and Vdagestan.info websites. "We are only fighting Russia, which is not only responsible for the occupation of the Caucasus, but also for monstrous crimes against Muslims," the rebels said. Both sites are viewed as mouthpieces of the North Caucasus guerrillas and are banned from being cited by the Russian media. US news reports had earlier said the FBI was studying possible links between the two main suspects -- brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- and the Caucasus Emirate movement led by feared warlord Doku Umarov. A statement issued by the FBI on Friday said Tamerlan had been questioned by the US authorities in 2011 at the request of a foreign government later identified as Russia. The FBI statement said Moscow believed Tamerlan was "a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer." But the agency at the time time "did not find any terrorist activity" associated with the older brother and dropped its investigation. The US media reports said authorities were now especially interested in the Vilayat Dagestan offshoot of Umarov's group. But the rebels in their statement argued that Umarov never targeted foreigners and did not view them as a threat to his dream of establishing an Islamist state across the southern swathes of Russia. "The command of the Vilayat Dagestan mujahedeen calls on the US media especially to stop their speculation and not to assist the Russian propaganda," the Internet statement said. Monday's double bomb attack on the Boston Marathon killed three people and wounded about 180. The 19-year-old Dzhokhar is in serious condition in a Boston hospital following a massive manhunt on Friday in which 26-year-old Tamerlan was killed. Russian authorities said Sunday they were also checking the siblings' links to the fighters but had been unable to find any so far. "At the moment, we have no credible information about the Tsarnaev brothers' involvement with the Caucasus Emirate movement," an unnamed Russian security source told the Interfax news agency. Much of the speculation has swirled around the role of the late Tamerlan because he had a YouTube account with a playlist of men he identified as "terrorists" and Islamic preachers. One link features a nearly hour-long speech by an Islamist with followers among the Dagestani guerrillas, according to intelligence sources in the United States. The Tsarnaev family has said that Tamerlan visited Dagestan for six months last year. One Russian report added that Tamerlan's father Anzor had kicked his son out of his house because he began displaying radical Islamist ideology. The younger brother Dzhokhar -- badly wounded by the time he was detained by authorities on Friday -- also identified Islam as his "world view" on a Russian social media website. Dzhokhar also lists information about Chechnya and Islam as well as different mosques around the world. Dagestan -- a Caspian Sea region of almost three million people with a large ethnic Chechen minority -- has been one of the most violent regions of Russia since the second of two post-Soviet era wars ended in Chechnya about a decade ago. Caucasus Emirates leader Umarov is widely recognised as Russia's public enemy number one who has staged some of the deadliest bombings in Moscow and across the North Caucasus in the past five years. He claimed responsibility for a Moscow airport attack in January 2011 that claimed 37 lives as well as earlier twin metro bombings in 2010 in which more than 40 people died.
1 posted on 04/21/2013 9:54:16 AM PDT by STD
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To: STD
"The command of the Vilayat Dagestan mujahedeen... declares that the Caucasus fighters are not waging any military activities against the United States of America," said a statement posted on the rebels' Kavkazcenter.com and Vdagestan.info websites.

"We are only fighting Russia, which is not only responsible for the occupation of the Caucasus, but also for monstrous crimes against Muslims," the rebels said. Both sites are viewed as mouthpieces of the North Caucasus guerrillas and are banned from being cited by the Russian media.

US news reports had earlier said the FBI was studying possible links between the two main suspects -- brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- and the Caucasus Emirate movement led by feared warlord Doku Umarov.

A statement issued by the FBI on Friday said Tamerlan had been questioned by the US authorities in 2011 at the request of a foreign government later identified as Russia.

The FBI statement said Moscow believed Tamerlan was "a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer."

But the agency at the time time "did not find any terrorist activity" associated with the older brother and dropped its investigation.

The US media reports said authorities were now especially interested in the Vilayat Dagestan offshoot of Umarov's group.

But the rebels in their statement argued that Umarov never targeted foreigners and did not view them as a threat to his dream of establishing an Islamist state across the southern swathes of Russia.

"The command of the Vilayat Dagestan mujahedeen calls on the US media especially to stop their speculation and not to assist the Russian propaganda," the Internet statement said.

Monday's double bomb attack on the Boston Marathon killed three people and wounded about 180.

The 19-year-old Dzhokhar is in serious condition in a Boston hospital following a massive manhunt on Friday in which 26-year-old Tamerlan was killed. Russian authorities said Sunday they were also checking the siblings' links to the fighters but had been unable to find any so far.

"At the moment, we have no credible information about the Tsarnaev brothers' involvement with the Caucasus Emirate movement," an unnamed Russian security source told the Interfax news agency.

Much of the speculation has swirled around the role of the late Tamerlan because he had a YouTube account with a playlist of men he identified as "terrorists" and Islamic preachers.

One link features a nearly hour-long speech by an Islamist with followers among the Dagestani guerrillas, according to intelligence sources in the United States.

The Tsarnaev family has said that Tamerlan visited Dagestan for six months last year.

One Russian report added that Tamerlan's father Anzor had kicked his son out of his house because he began displaying radical Islamist ideology.

The younger brother Dzhokhar -- badly wounded by the time he was detained by authorities on Friday -- also identified Islam as his "world view" on a Russian social media website.

Dzhokhar also lists information about Chechnya and Islam as well as different mosques around the world.

Dagestan -- a Caspian Sea region of almost three million people with a large ethnic Chechen minority -- has been one of the most violent regions of Russia since the second of two post-Soviet era wars ended in Chechnya about a decade ago.

Caucasus Emirates leader Umarov is widely recognised as Russia's public enemy number one who has staged some of the deadliest bombings in Moscow and across the North Caucasus in the past five years.

He claimed responsibility for a Moscow airport attack in January 2011 that claimed 37 lives as well as earlier twin metro bombings in 2010 in which more than 40 people died.

2 posted on 04/21/2013 9:57:58 AM PDT by STD (One day closer to street justice)
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To: STD

Thanks for the PPHs!

You might ask the mod to delete that 1st post...

Interesting how fast the Chechens DON’T want the US in their stuff. We may not be what we were, but we are still the baddest dudes on the planet (well, until obozo finishes his “work”).


3 posted on 04/21/2013 10:05:44 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: STD
( We Kill Much Better )

It would be funny if it weren't so true.

4 posted on 04/21/2013 10:08:48 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: STD
"We are only fighting Russia, which is not only responsible for the occupation of the Caucasus, but also for monstrous crimes against Muslims," the rebels said.

The 'crimes' against Muslims are simplt to preserve civilization.

Here is what Churchill said about 'the religion of peace'

A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

5 posted on 04/21/2013 10:12:18 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: freedumb2003
Interesting how fast the Chechens DON’T want the US in their stuff.

What the Chechens don't want is to lose the covert US support they are already getting.

6 posted on 04/21/2013 10:12:45 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: STD

Love the ‘we kill much better’ part;)


7 posted on 04/21/2013 10:14:37 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: FatherofFive

No Churchills anywhere to be found today. He was an intellectual giant whose legacy and preserved widom towers over the mental midgets we have running the US and the UK today.


8 posted on 04/21/2013 10:25:43 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Beowulf9

Does that mean that the Chechens are, deep in their hearts, really nice guys?

Then what prevents us to invite all of them to immigrate?


9 posted on 04/21/2013 10:27:10 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: 353FMG

The Russians deal very directly with muslim terrorists. Putin’s good old KGB tactics have undoubtedly caused thousands to mysteriously disappear before they could murder any more school children.

Putin publically invited jihadists to “step right up.”


10 posted on 04/21/2013 10:33:29 AM PDT by Huebolt (A country that has tipped will fall. RIP USA)
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To: FatherofFive

The Russkies are actually criminals. According to Alexander Litvinenko (the guy who got poisoned with Polonium 210 awhile back), a lot of the terrorists the Russians were fighting against... were Russian agents anyway. He pointed the finger against the Russians in certain terrorist attacks in their country, wherein he cited evidence they were planned and carried out by the FSB designed to whip up support for Putin, who retaliated viciously.

All the stuff the New World Order freaks accuse the United States of... the Russians are guilty of. That’s why Russian Today and other Russkie media outlets always pimp the Truthers and other groups. It’s a line of attack that appeals to them due to their own guilt.


11 posted on 04/21/2013 10:38:56 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

There are a lot of sites out there with FSB/KGB fingerprints, including Alex Jones and Zero Hedge.


12 posted on 04/21/2013 11:10:21 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Huebolt
The Russians aren't anyone to be emulated. We aren't dealing with a complicated issue here. We could stop most terrorist attacks by securing our borders, and not inviting them into the country. Those are common sense solutions.

www.OathKeepers.org

13 posted on 04/21/2013 11:10:33 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Help put an Oath Keepers car on the NASCAR track, driven by Jeffrey Earnhardt! - WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG)
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To: FatherofFive

Bookmark


14 posted on 04/21/2013 11:16:50 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

“There are a lot of sites out there with FSB/KGB fingerprints, including Alex Jones and Zero Hedge.”


Yes, I know for a fact that Jones parrots Russian propaganda. Recall that spy ring awhile back with the redhead bimbo who all got deported back to Russia. One of them was a journalist of a Spanish socialist paper spreading propaganda that accused us of funding terrorists in South America, or some such thing (it’s been awhile). She works for the Moscow Times now, and a lot of her talking points wind up with Alex Jones today. (This was back during Putin’s reelection, and Jones was telling people that the U.S. was trying to destablize Russia through the civil-rights groups.) That was just one connection I happened to notice myself when I was checking out her writings. I’m sure Jones takes a lot more straight from Putin’s mouth.


15 posted on 04/21/2013 11:19:08 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: STD
"The command of the Vilayat Dagestan mujahedeen... declares that the Caucasus fighters are not waging any military activities against the United States of America,"

Political borders do not constrain the spread of an infectious plague - religious, or otherwise.
 
That's especially true when Jihadist wolves can use the Internet to perch themselves upon the temple steps among a population of "coexisting" golden-calf-worshipping McSheeple whose indoctrination precludes their own intellectual and physical defense.

16 posted on 04/21/2013 11:31:46 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

[We could stop most terrorist attacks by securing our borders, and not inviting them into the country.]

What’s your plan for blocking IP addresses - to prevent the ideological exposure of those whose Useful Idiocy makes them receptive to infection?

Meanwhile, the open border did not prevent Colorado authorities from removing at least one physical threat:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Al+Fuqra+Colorado

What’s preventing other states where Al Fuqra operates from doing the same?


17 posted on 04/21/2013 11:44:26 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: 353FMG

“Does that mean that the Chechens are, deep in their hearts, really nice guys?

Then what prevents us to invite all of them to immigrate?”

Well, they’d have to come around to the Mexican border and walk across and that’s a fer peace from Russia, but then again everybody else is doing it, uninvited, so...


18 posted on 04/21/2013 11:49:01 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: STD
we kill much better

I'm so reassured!

19 posted on 04/21/2013 11:54:06 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

During the Georgia invasion in 2008, also. Jones was getting his show prep directly from the Kremlin. Then Ron Paul was taking it to the floor of the House.

There’s a reason both of these guys have been mainstays on RT.


20 posted on 04/21/2013 12:19:27 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Trying to identify with Russians is IMPOSSIBLE for Americans. I know quite a few Russians.

Let me just say that “better safe than sorry” applies here in flaming capital letters with day-glo, full orchestra back-up, live chorus, cannons, and bells.

I know - 1812 Overture, but still...

They’ve seen HELL, and it’s a muslim.


21 posted on 04/21/2013 3:32:04 PM PDT by Huebolt (A country that has tipped will fall. RIP USA)
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To: TArcher
The solutions I mentioned are common sense solutions that should be put into place before discussing other ideas. I don't know if further actions would be necessary or not. I'm just stating that I have a hard time believing the sincerity of those who oppose either of these ideas. I personally won't bother wasting time looking at other measures from politicians who don't support them.

www.OathKeepers.org

22 posted on 04/21/2013 5:56:26 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Help put an Oath Keepers car on the NASCAR track, driven by Jeffrey Earnhardt! - WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

>>I don’t know if further actions would be necessary or not.

Uhuh.

How’s Ryan G. Anderson doing these days?

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&biw=1600&bih=721&sclient=psy-ab&q=ryan+G+Anderson


23 posted on 04/21/2013 6:00:53 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

I don’t oppose securing the borders.

But I also recognize that doing so wouldn’t alter the ability of Terrorist organizations to operate within them:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=al+Fuqra+training+compounds


24 posted on 04/21/2013 6:25:51 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
I don't understand your point. We already have these things in place. We don't need to add additional laws when everything we have now on the attacks points to an extreme incompetence by our current regime, and law enforcement agencies under it's direction. I will not accept anything that could be abused to invade our privacy, no matter what; especially by those who pretend we built this country on Islamic immigration with their stupid defense of continuing the practice. Muslim immigration is protected before the rights of American citizens by too many politicians.

I understand the Islamic terrorist threat, but I also understand that our biggest threat comes from our tyrannical government that has been replacing Islamic terrorist with patriots. I don't think it's wise to give them additional power, considering it could easily be abused to use against the patriot movement to advance a political agenda. That baseless move was most likely a reason this attack wasn't stopped.

www.OathKeepers.org

www.CSPOA.org

www.PO42A.org

25 posted on 04/21/2013 8:59:39 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Help put an Oath Keepers car on the NASCAR track, driven by Jeffrey Earnhardt! - WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
 
>>we built this country on Islamic immigration with their stupid defense of continuing the practice.
 
This county, America, was built as a haven for "every infidel of every denomination".
 
 
 
"[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."
 --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821.
 
http://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=infidel+of+every+denomination


"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
 
...
 
 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "
 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 
Your assertion, FRiend, was:
 
 
That assertion is clearly refuted by the reality of a plethora of resident, American-born, terrorists to whom the border is irrelevant.
 
Sealing the border will not prevent, or reverse, the ideological subversion of the Jihadist converted -- only TRUTH can do that. 
 

26 posted on 04/21/2013 9:32:43 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
How in the hell does this have anything to do with allowing foreigner jihadist from terrorist producing countries into our country? Did I say there should be an unconstitutional crackdown on any peaceful American citizens religious freedoms? Did I say we should establish a Christian theocracy? Exactly how does stopping Islamic immigration have any effect on a persons religious freedoms? Our nation wasn't built on Islam, and that's kind of obvious by the percentage of Muslim Americans that our nations population has been made of throughout it's history.

Our founders didn't tell us we have an obligation to rapidly increase Muslim immigration in the very distant future, that also coincides with violent attacks in the country by foreign Muslims.

You're trying to use Jefferson to make up some kind of right that grants foreigners superiority over American citizens, and your using his support of religious freedom, which I support, but isn't connected to anything we have been debating.

Why are you even attempting to use Jefferson in a frivolous attempt to build a ridiculous case to begin with, while obviously being a supporter of laws that ease our Constitutional rights in the name of safety? That is a direct and blatant contradiction to Jefferson's beliefs. I don't think anyone is under any illusion that our government wouldn't potentially abuse this power.

I don't trust our massive tyrannical government, and don't want it's powers expanded to “protect” me. I don't want a police force, with a history of dangerous incompetence overall, taking over a city and conducting warrantless searches. You're steadfast support of Islamic immigration, along with throwing out our Constitution under any notion of danger, is creating most of the problem that you want to solve by loosening our privacy, as if our tyrannical government will always have good intentions, and that's just creating another problem.

WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG

27 posted on 04/22/2013 4:29:16 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Help put an Oath Keepers car on the NASCAR track, driven by Jeffrey Earnhardt! - WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Once again, here is your errant assertion:
 
"We could stop most terrorist attacks by securing our borders, and not inviting them into the country."
 
That silly assertion is clearly refuted by the facts.   The fact is that there are numerous resident, American-born radicals, to whom the border is irrelevant.

Here's another example for you to ignore:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Islamic+recruitment+within+american+prisons

 

"You're steadfast support of Islamic immigration,"

It's your not you're.   You're is a contraction between you and are "you are".  

I don't have steadfast support of Islamic immigration - I simply recognize the fact that "securing the borders" won't stop ideological radicals from doing ideologically motivated radically stupid things -- things like becoming militant terrorists.

What was the impact of "Islamic immigration" and insecure borders upon the activities of ELF, the SLA, the Black Panthers, the terrorist Weather Underground, or, for that matter - The People's Front of Judea   -- hmmm?  ZERO?


28 posted on 04/22/2013 5:45:56 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
My silly assertion would have prevented the 9/11 attacks, and the Boston terrorist attacks. I don't even know what you are arguing about. You seem to have lost touch with reality. You are debating things I haven't even been talking about. I know you don't agree with me on my immigration stance, but what does that I have to do with domestic terrorism? What in the hell are the domestic terrorism stories you keep posting refuting? Are you saying that we need more laws after this attack? You have been arguing about domestic terrorist issues without even knowing what I believe.

You're a part of the problem. Your policy is why we have so much potential for domestic terrorism. You position is why those responsible for the Boston bombing were in this country. That's a fact.

I know there is a domestic terrorist threat. A lot of that threat has come with the increase in Islamic immigration since 9/11. We already have laws for this threat. We don't need new ones, and I will not support any new ones that have any potential to suspend the Constitutional rights of American citizens. I have no idea what you believe. You oppose my immigration stance, and make little sense with your weird talk about the arrest of domestic terrorist, or domestic terrorist attacks; without letting anyone know what the hell your trying to say with these statements. You're refuting things I haven't said. What imaginary point are you debating? Try to make sense, or stop bothering me with your strange nonsense.

I like how you point out a simple mistake in my grammar. It's a sign you have nothing else. You created a delusional debate about domestic terrorism that didn't exist in reality. I guess you had nothing the moment you started putting words in my mouth, and started aggressively refuting them in your little fantasy.

Guardians of the Republic - www.OathKeepers.org

29 posted on 04/26/2013 2:06:53 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Help put an Oath Keepers car on the NASCAR track, driven by Jeffrey Earnhardt! - WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
(This was back during Putin’s reelection, and Jones was telling people that the U.S. was trying to destablize Russia through the civil-rights groups.)

Why not? Anyone who thinks the Communists didn't try the same thing with us during the Cold War isn't thinking. Environmental groups were pushed from afar for the same purpose, and it was some of the best money the KGB ever spent (from their point of view).

30 posted on 04/26/2013 5:57:03 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

>>You are debating things I haven’t even been talking about

That’s because I live in reality land and you’re living on fantasy island.


31 posted on 04/26/2013 6:19:33 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

A lot of that threat has come with the increase in Islamic immigration since 9/11

Meanwhile, in reality land -- The Jamaat ul-Fuqra camp near Hartsel was active >10 years earlier.

Where did Malcom X, Lois Fairycon and the Black Panthers immigrate from?

Terrorism, domestic and otherwise is an ideological issue.

How are Vern Howell, Dennis Mahon, and Tom Metzger doing these days?

Try harder.


32 posted on 04/26/2013 6:36:26 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

>>Guardians of the Republic - www.OathKeepers.org

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=OathKeepers+%22Ron+Paul

LOL That the same Ron Paul who advocates giving Iran nuclear weapons?

Oops!

NO SALE


33 posted on 04/26/2013 6:48:07 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Why not?”


Because it wasn’t true. The accusations were designed to distract from massive voter fraud.


34 posted on 04/26/2013 10:29:12 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: TArcher
A lot of people have defended the Oath Keepers. It's a group of Conservative/Libertarians with a basic shared belief in the fundamentals of our Constitution. Only someone like you could find something wrong with a group that ask those who serve to never forget that their oath was to the Constitution, and not to the government. Your strange post showing your equally strange views make it easy to see you need your nanny state to protect you from the Islamic terrorist your all for allowing into the country. We shouldn't let them in, and we don't need our tyrannical government taking anymore of our freedoms either. Get some damn pride for god sake.

Your outright ridiculous belief about allowing Muslims from terrorist producing countries into our country, is criminally stupid. You have blood on your hands. You believe that foreigners have more rights than American citizens. You're attempt to use Thomas Jefferson's belief in Americans having the right to religious freedom, as some sort of outrageous claim to show he supported the immigration of Islamic terrorist was disrespectful and vile. That's a delusional thought that makes you no different than those on the left. You don't stand for anything this country was built on. Don't pretend to be someone who has tough stance on terrorism, because you do not. You have an unnatural obsession with open borders on both illegal and legal immigration, and then want the government to have rights that infringe upon our freedoms, for something your position allows to begin with. You trust this leftist regime with those powers. You are not on the side of this nation. You are embarrassingly ignorant at best, but I suspect it's much worse than that.

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

https://oathkeepers.org/oath/nascar/

35 posted on 05/01/2013 8:56:25 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Help put an Oath Keepers car on the NASCAR track, driven by Jeffrey Earnhardt! - WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

[Your outright ridiculous belief about allowing Muslims from terrorist producing countries into our country, is criminally stupid]

LOL. Keep stuffing your Jackwagon with straw, Paultard. You’re the one pulling that “belief” out of your arse. I got nothing against controlling immigration - I just recognize doing so won’t resolve the ideological factors that produce Useful Idiot terrorists and Paultards.

So meanwhile, back in reality land:

Where were the folks residing in that Colorado Al Fuqra terrorist camp back in 1990 born?


36 posted on 05/02/2013 3:50:15 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
>>Thomas Jefferson's belief in Americans having the right to religious freedom
 
"...in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."
 --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821.
 
What does that ( especially the "infidel of every denomination" part )  mean?  
 
Would Jefferson've bulldozed Mosque-Fortresses built on American soil? 
 

37 posted on 05/02/2013 4:21:40 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
>>A lot of people have defended the Oath Keepers
 
Quack, Waddle...
Organizational history
The Oath Keepers were founded on March 2009 by Stewart Rhodes and incorporated in Las Vegas, Nevada as a non-profit corporation.[3][4] Rhodes is a Yale Law School graduate, a former US Army paratrooper, and a  former staffer of Congressman Ron Paul.[5] The Oath Keepers as a group have grown to include chapters in many states across America.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers
...PAULTARDS.
 
 

 

Mark 11:15-17

15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written:

"'My house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations'?

But you have made it 'a den of robbers.'"
NIV

"What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?"

38 posted on 05/02/2013 5:11:39 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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