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Media. Then go on to explain why.

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Government. Then go on to explain why

1 posted on 04/18/2013 11:51:10 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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Stalin’s right or left hand - which is worse?


35 posted on 04/18/2013 12:13:07 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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Good question, but in fact the question is flawed:

The gov’t and media are not in fact completely seperate entities, or even mostly so.

The two form a handy complex, and the real power modulates between the two gov’t and media “poles” as the situation warrants.

The real concern about this gov’t/media complex lies in it’s long-term goal, which is the elimination of incomplete gov’t, aka, “freedom”.

The government/media complex regards what you see as freedom as a VOID that it must expand into, thereby completing what it sees as it’s proper form.


36 posted on 04/18/2013 12:13:37 PM PDT by gaijin
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MEDIA, the elft could not get away with half of their crap if the media did their job


37 posted on 04/18/2013 12:14:34 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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MEDIA, the elft could not get away with half of their crap if the media did their job


38 posted on 04/18/2013 12:14:39 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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The Govt. or the Media. Which is worse?

Neither. Both. Hard to answer a question that starts with the false premise of one being worse than the other!

40 posted on 04/18/2013 12:16:20 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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There’s no distinction between them - MSM and current liberal government.

over 90% media admit they vote democrat.

They are just the “official” mouthpieces for government. they essentially are government, they are the Ministry of Truth and are counted on to spin events and ideas the way the (liberal) government wants them spun.

And if you don’t think that’s true, compare the MSM coverage of the president, and for example, issues between 1989-1992, 1993-2000, 2001-2008, and 2009-present.

The tone of the coverage under repubs is advesarial, critical and if they can find a negative angle they will run with that. The tone of coverage under dems is collegial, laughing, jovial, friendly, supportive, apologetic, and make excuses for anything bad they have to cover because it’s just so blatant they can’t ignore it.

THerefore MSM IS the democrat media arm of government, they ARE liberal government’s “Ministry of Truth”. They are a part of government. Their job is to further the agenda of liberal politicians, give them cover, and run hit pieces and attack pieces on enemies and enemy ideas and principles. All while claiming objectivity and unbiased reporting.

It’s laughable. It’s why more and more people don’t buy their crap anymore.


42 posted on 04/18/2013 12:16:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Implicit in your premise is the idea that the two are separate entities. Actually, they are, despite what some posters are saying. The confusion is due to the fact that they have the same agenda, both having been taken over by the Left. The question is which one’s being polluted by the Left does the most damage. I would say the media. Propaganda is very powerful. The politicians couldn’t get away with much if the media didn’t cover for them.


43 posted on 04/18/2013 12:17:02 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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The government is the media and

the media is the government.

They are two ends of the same sausage.


44 posted on 04/18/2013 12:17:40 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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Which is worse? The media by far.

The government, like all governments, always grow even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are well-intentioned.

It is the media’s job to HONESTLY report the facts, not their opinions, but today it is always some facts only if the facts support their opinion.

If the media did there job, the government would begin to shrink and correct itself. Without an honest media, the government is free to grow as large and powerful and abusive as it can get as long as it leaves the media alone.

So, IMO it is no contest and honest media is much more important.


49 posted on 04/18/2013 12:21:57 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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The government.

It is a flat out betrayal when they don’t follow the constitution or the wishes of those they represent. They cut backroom deals and get connected in office, it will line their pockets for a lifetime. They make laws that the little people must follow but those laws don’t apply to them. We vote for/hire them and they abuse and mock us—they look out for one another no matter if it is the honest position to take or not.

We don’t vote for and hire the media but if we were determined, we could fire the media. How long could the media function if refused in mass to watch/read/listen to their BS? The media is filthy low down scoundrels but government is the greater evil.

I can turn the media off, I must wait years to try and vote a turd out of office. Even then they have people who own them and pay whatever it takes to have who they want in office. Sometimes the good guy wins but mostly it is all corrupt.


50 posted on 04/18/2013 12:22:44 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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The media and obama deserve each other and hopefully end up in the sewer together.


51 posted on 04/18/2013 12:22:47 PM PDT by jersey117
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The media is worse because they are not held responsible for the lies they report and the propaganda they spew. At least we have a chance of voting out the major players in our government if they betray us. We cannot do that with the media.
53 posted on 04/18/2013 12:25:26 PM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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If you are asking about dishonest or untrustworthy, the media.

However, for which is worse, I will have to say the government.

The reason is quite simple: I can opt out (and have) from reading CNN/NBC etc, so whatever they are up to do not affect me directly. I can not opt out of whatever the government is up to. Either group can claim that I’m a likely terrorist for no reason other than I’m a white conservative, but only one can strip-search me at an airport. Either one can call me a greedy rich person, but only one can force me to change my health plan. Either one can spread economic lies, but only one can actually crash the economy.


55 posted on 04/18/2013 12:29:22 PM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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Both are fixin to start a shooting war.
Too many have sold themselves into slavery to government.
The media just thinks it’s a game.
It’s not.
They could find themselves in the middle.


56 posted on 04/18/2013 12:29:30 PM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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Did not realize there was a difference.......


58 posted on 04/18/2013 12:32:33 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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The two entities are the same, at least as our government is now constituted.


60 posted on 04/18/2013 12:33:16 PM PDT by abb
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Which is worse, Mao or Stalin? Does it matter?


61 posted on 04/18/2013 12:33:54 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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Government, because media can only destroy you, government under the right conditions can kill you regardless of the facts!


65 posted on 04/18/2013 12:38:33 PM PDT by qman (The communist usurper must go!)
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Yes !!


75 posted on 04/18/2013 1:21:39 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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The same people keep them both functioning.


76 posted on 04/18/2013 1:26:44 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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