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President Obama Delivers Remarks on Gun Control (5:30 PM ET, Live Thread)
cspan ^ | April 17, 2013 | Obama

Posted on 04/17/2013 2:27:29 PM PDT by Red Steel

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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

301 posted on 04/17/2013 4:40:59 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

302 posted on 04/17/2013 4:44:43 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: struggle

That would be just.

303 posted on 04/17/2013 4:50:22 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: machogirl

I don’t think he was there.

304 posted on 04/17/2013 4:50:55 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: HollyB

“Why would his meltdown cause some to have more respect. Is it part of thei blind allegiance?”

If I had to guess, I would say that since most liberals are ruled by emotion instead of logic and common sense, they would be impressed by a show of emotion in their president, no matter how inappropriate. To conservatives he comes across as petulant and whiny. To liberals he comes across as “awwwwww, he really cares”.

305 posted on 04/17/2013 4:54:31 PM PDT by wayoverthehill
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To: wayoverthehill

Then I wonder what liberals would have been thinking during his two robotonic comments on Boston?

306 posted on 04/17/2013 4:57:46 PM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: John W

Probably that he was in such deep shock that he couldn’t even speak about it. Or that he was trying so hard to hold back tears that he wasn’t himself.

No worries, there is always a way to defend or condone whatever he does. //sarc//

307 posted on 04/17/2013 5:06:58 PM PDT by wayoverthehill
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To: Red Steel

Sooner or later, we are going to get this right. The memories of these children demand it. --President Obama (4-17-13)

308 posted on 04/17/2013 5:09:21 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Red Steel

Plugs with Epic Facepalm

309 posted on 04/17/2013 5:21:48 PM PDT by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: Mouton

I was thinking the same thing. He is losing control on all these issues and the truth about his REAL character and REAL lack of dignity is becoming very apparent to even some in his party. This guy is the leader of the free world??? The whole world may be actually watching the first time an American History where a president is having a nervous breakdown. Narcissists hate it when you challenge them and when things don’t go their way. It just seems to keep piling on for him the past few months and that is when people like this get almost unpredictable. He will pull out all stops now and will not give a damn what ANYONE thinks. I am not a psychiatrist...but this guy is losing it. This is far from normal behavior...

310 posted on 04/17/2013 5:28:15 PM PDT by alabama_heart
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To: Girlene

He must still be in the Doghouse.

311 posted on 04/17/2013 5:29:21 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

....did Hitler just discover the bills were voted down....../snicker

312 posted on 04/17/2013 5:37:12 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: alabama_heart

It is normal behavior in a heart filled with hate.

313 posted on 04/17/2013 5:54:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Red Steel

The petulant child stomps his feet...

314 posted on 04/17/2013 6:12:40 PM PDT by indthkr
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315 posted on 04/17/2013 6:20:23 PM PDT by alabama_heart
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To: Jim Robinson

CINOs and RINOs supporting this mess must be removed. Sad to say, since everyone worked so hard for so long to install Toomey in Pennsylvania.

Every one of them — and every red state democrat senator — must be challenged; the R/Cinos in primaries, and the demo’s at every opportunity.

Can you believe that in the same week that America is again attacked that these dolts want to take away our weapons to defend ourselves.

316 posted on 04/17/2013 6:28:27 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Red Steel

Although I’m still thrilled at Bath-House’s reaction to being slapped down, I worry he’s already planning revenge.

Any demon willing to support killing infants in the womb and those that survive abortion wouldn’t bat an eye at “arranging” a horrific event involving children as a means to “finally prove” we need gun control. I wouldn’t put it past him to stage a crisis as an act of revenge.

Mark my words.

317 posted on 04/17/2013 6:57:25 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: VRWCarea51

“Given Nero’s comments that they deserve to be heard Paul should publicly offer to set up a Press Conference with Fast and Furious and Benghazi victims families to “Be heard” given “someone” claimed Executive Privilage and hiding names.”

Now THAT”S a great idea.

318 posted on 04/17/2013 7:06:18 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Red Steel

Just into this at 10:30 EDT and I’m more than sure it will have been addressed on down the line, but what are the chances that boy wonder will try an executive order to circumvent the vote?

319 posted on 04/17/2013 7:06:19 PM PDT by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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To: rhubarbk

No doubt he’s thinking about it. Rep. Paul Gosar-R, AZ has given an Obama illegal EO some thought.

“Over the last few years there has been a growing concern about the President’s questionable expansion of executive powers. As a nation of laws, public officials are sworn to uphold the law . . . even laws you may not like. The way to deal with laws you do not like is to get Congress or whatever body passed it to change it. Real simple.

President Obama has, by executive order, circumvented national immigration law by ordering a halt to deportations of certain unlawful aliens, without getting the law changed. In July of 2012, President Obama changed long standing welfare policy to allow states to change mandated work requirements. Earlier he ordered the DOJ not to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act. None of these orders were submitted to Congress for review, which the Government Accountability Office concluded he should have done in part. I have co-sponsored bills to reverse these unconstitutional power grabs and will continue to fight them.

The President, touted by some as knowledgeable about our Constitution, acts as if he never heard of it sometimes. Now, the President and Vice-President are talking about enacting gun bans by executive order.

“The president is going go act,” Biden is quoted as saying. “There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven’t decided what that is yet, but we’re compiling it all.”
For the moment put aside the fact that the Second Amendment protects the right of each person to own and posses firearms and the ammunition that goes with it. Our Supreme Court resolved that issue in Heller. Obviously neither the President nor Congress can enact laws that violate the Second Amendment, anymore than they can enact laws that violate the First Amendment or the Fifth Amendment.
Let’s focus on the supposed authority of the President to simply enact laws by the stroke of his pen. Article I Section I of the Constitution vests all legislative powers in Congress. All. None are given to the President or the Courts. All government acts need to be evaluated on whether they are consistent with our Constitution.

The executive branch has the Constitutional responsibility to execute the laws passed by Congress. It is well accepted that an executive order is not legislation nor can it be. An executive order is a directive that implements laws passed by Congress. The Constitution provides that the president “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Article II, Section 3, Clause 5. Thus, executive orders can only be used to carry out the will of Congress. If we in Congress have not established the policy or authorization by law, the President can’t do it unilaterally.
In order for the President to enact a gun ban by executive order, he would have to have such power given to him by Congress (we already established that the Constitution does not give him that power). Any unilateral action by the President must rely on either a constitutional authority or a statutory power from Congress. What laws exist for the President to enact gun bans by executive order?

The Attorney General is authorized under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to regulate the import of firearms if it is “generally suitable” for or readily adaptable to sporting purpose. Thus, the Attorney General could use a “sporting purposes test” by which he can determine the types of firearms that can be imported into the United States. But this law does not authorize a gun ban or affect domestic manufacture and sales. So it provides no Congressional basis for Mr. Biden or the President to create a gun ban.
President Obama may point out that President Clinton issued an executive order (No. 12938) in 1994 where some Chinese firearms and ammunition were restricted from import. If that occurred, it would have been a serious overreach of the application of the authority set forth in that Executive Order, which President Clinton said at the time was being implemented under the International Economic Powers Act, the National Emergencies Act, and the Arms Export Control Act. As stated in the Order itself, “the proliferation of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons (‘‘weapons of mass destruction’’) and of the means of delivering such weapons, constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States, and hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.” President Clinton Executive Order 12938 (1994). How that justification, based on large scale weapons of mass destruction, could be interpreted to include Chinese hand guns is unclear and problematic. Indeed, any fair reading of those laws would conclude they could not support a domestic gun ban.

The bottom line is that there is no Congressional authority enacted that would allow the President to take unilateral action to make it unlawful for individuals to transfer or possess a rifle, handgun or other gun or a large capacity ammunition feeding device. Nor is there any Constitutional power under Article II (the power of being the “Commander in Chief”) that allows this.

If the President wants a gun ban or ammunition ban he has to first revise the Second Amendment, which is not easy, but possible. I would, of course, oppose that, as would most Americans. But that is at least a lawful and Constitutional means to achieve this.
Nor can the President do something Congress has prohibited. Thus, the President cannot reallocate ATF money and direct it to make a centralized database of federal firearms purchases because we prohibited that. Last year the House passed a continuing funding resolution (I would rather vote on budgets but the Senate refuses to pass a budget resolution and has not done so since April 2009), that became Public Law 112–55 (Nov. 18, 2011), that expressly prohibits the President from using any money “to disclose part or all of the contents of the Firearms Trace System database maintained by the National Trace Center of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives or any information required to be kept by licensees” except for criminal investigations. In other words, the President is expressly prohibited from making a list of gun owners for purposes of then rounding up guns. This resolution contains other restrictions as well limiting the President’s budget control over firearms policy.

Another law, the 2007 National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) Improvement Amendment Act, requires each federal agency to transfer records to the Attorney General if a record shows that someone is a prohibited firearm possessor under federal law. It is within the President’s power to make sure his agencies are complying with that law and submitting records to the AG. But that is it. No more was authorized by Congress.

I, and many Americans, remain troubled by what we see are unconstitutional power grabs by the President. We have a Constitution and it requires that we follow it. Indeed, every public officer swears to do so. The Constitution sets our policy for the long term, and emotions of the day have to be subsumed to those principles. All of us share the grief of the criminal use of guns. We need to focus on the mentally ill who commit these crimes. We should not abandon our cultural and legal values, in place for over 200 years and created for good reason, because of a few mentally ill people. We need to remain vigilant and not let the President create bogus executive orders that have no Constitutional authority and no statutory authority. “

320 posted on 04/17/2013 7:30:08 PM PDT by Red Steel
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