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Rick Warren Says Late Son Got Illegal Gun on Internet
ABC News ^ | April 12, 2013 | Arlette Saenz

Posted on 04/12/2013 5:00:21 PM PDT by yongin

Pastor Rick Warren said Thursday that his son, Matthew, purchased an unregistered gun over the Internet. It was that weapon that he used to take his own life last week after years of battling mental illness. "Someone on the internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," Warren tweeted Thursday. The Orange County Sheriff's Department told the Associated Press it is trying to identify the seller, but the gun's serial number was unreadable, making it difficult to trace the firearm.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; rickwarren; rickwarrenagenda; rickwarrenguns; rickwarrenlost; rickwarrenplatform; rickwarrensonsuicide; secondamendment; wastenotime
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1 posted on 04/12/2013 5:00:21 PM PDT by yongin
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To: yongin

Uhm, BS.


2 posted on 04/12/2013 5:01:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Disgusting that media is using the tragedy of Rick Warren’s son for the anti-2nd Amendement agenda.


3 posted on 04/12/2013 5:01:43 PM PDT by yongin (SoCons will not be kicked to the curb under the guise of the Truce.)
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To: yongin
As usual Rick Warren's point has no point.
4 posted on 04/12/2013 5:02:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: yongin

Baloney.....


5 posted on 04/12/2013 5:04:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: yongin

Hey Rick - you can disregard anything I said about you. The left was right - you are a putz.


6 posted on 04/12/2013 5:04:21 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Vendome

Only way that happened is if was using the underground through a service such as TOR. Even then, it would demonstrate he was able to do some very complex things and acquire an arm that is completely untraceable.

He would also need quite a bit of money.


7 posted on 04/12/2013 5:05:00 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Rick Warren has been friendly with Obama in the past. I hope Obama doesn’t decide to invite Rick Warren to Congress to testify on how the Toomey/Manchin bill would have “saved” his son’s life.


8 posted on 04/12/2013 5:05:06 PM PDT by yongin (SoCons will not be kicked to the curb under the guise of the Truce.)
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To: yongin

What in God’s name is an “unregistered gun”? And is an “unregistered gun” the same as an “illegal gun”?

By the way, isn’t it nice of Rick Warren to “forgive” the poor guy who simply sold a gun to somebody who probably could have walked into Dick’s or LL Bean’s or any number of other places and bought a shotgun over the counter anytime he wanted to?


9 posted on 04/12/2013 5:05:32 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Vendome
Uhm, BS.

Are you saying Rick is lying?

10 posted on 04/12/2013 5:05:39 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: Vendome

Does anyone know what “unregistered” means? I’ve heard it for years (back when I had a TV.) When were we required to register guns? Perhaps he meant it didn’t get the form required by the FFL? How on Earth did he get a gun on the internet without having it sent to an FFL?

Having said that, I’ve bought guns off other attendees at gun shows. (Annoys the dealers no end.) No paperwork, just cash. Picked up a cop’s long barrel 38 in practically unfired condition for $400.


11 posted on 04/12/2013 5:05:44 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: yongin

BTW doesn’t California have a lot of tough anti-gun laws? Which leaves the question, why was the “hot” attorney general, according to Obama, enforcing those laws?


12 posted on 04/12/2013 5:07:25 PM PDT by yongin (SoCons will not be kicked to the curb under the guise of the Truce.)
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To: yongin
From the LA Times:

It will be “nearly impossible” to trace where pastor Rick Warren’s son bought the shotgun he used to take his own life last week, an Orange County Sheriff’s Department official said.

The gun that 27-year-old Matthew Warren used to shoot himself in his Mission Viejo home on April 5 was unregistered, had its serial numbers scratched off and was purchased online, said department spokesman Jim Amormino. A source close to the investigation confirmed it was a shotgun.

13 posted on 04/12/2013 5:07:43 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: yongin

[“At one point in time, it may have been [registered], but it’s going to be impossible to find out.”]

The FBI lab can usually raise these numbers if they are stamped on.


14 posted on 04/12/2013 5:07:46 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: yongin

He may be referring to an online forum. Unless the seller used a disposable phone and forum ID to arrange the transaction, he will probably be found. However the gun was sold, though, it’s not as if he pointed the gun at Warren’s son’s head.


15 posted on 04/12/2013 5:08:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

The story is BS.


16 posted on 04/12/2013 5:08:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Gen.Blather
Does anyone know what “unregistered” means?

I believe California requires registration.

17 posted on 04/12/2013 5:08:59 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: yongin

That story just doesn’t sound right.

There is undoubtedly more to the story and the way it is being described as if all guns are supposed to be registered.


18 posted on 04/12/2013 5:09:24 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Vendome

In what way?

“BS” to me means “untrue”. Do you mean something else?


19 posted on 04/12/2013 5:09:40 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

If he bought in online there must be some record of it in his email or on a credit card. It can’t be that difficult to find out.


20 posted on 04/12/2013 5:10:20 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: yongin

How? Did he meet someone sketchy on Craigslist and arrange a purchase? I’m pretty sure Cheaper Than Dirt won’t ship w/o an FFL.


21 posted on 04/12/2013 5:11:43 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: beandog
If he bought in online there must be some record of it in his email or on a credit card. It can’t be that difficult to find out.

I would assume they're looking at his computer and financial records, for that very reason.

22 posted on 04/12/2013 5:12:01 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: yongin


             

23 posted on 04/12/2013 5:12:26 PM PDT by tomkat (-no gulags for me-)
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To: yongin

Proof Warren is a POS.


24 posted on 04/12/2013 5:13:24 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Gen.Blather

My observation has been that most people who endlessly couple the words “registered” and “gun” together as if they were one word or solid thought come from leftwing 5th column blue states with draconian gun laws including the registration of handguns and have required these regulations for many years. These folks just assume it’s that way everywhere.


25 posted on 04/12/2013 5:13:28 PM PDT by MachIV
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To: yongin

I guess it’s easier to blame guns then his failed role as a father.


26 posted on 04/12/2013 5:13:36 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: SandyInSeattle

So they know it was purchased online, unlawfully and illegally but, they can’t trace it???

LOL!!!

they know it was bought online but can’t trace IP’s and they want me to believe this poor soul bought it off the Internet?

Perhaps the true meaning is the equivalent of off the highway ie; he went to buy an illegal gun, in a parking lot, off the highway/Internet....but not far???


27 posted on 04/12/2013 5:13:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SandyInSeattle

All firearms, save antique or curio long guns, must be transferred thru an FFL. Handguns and assault weapons must be registered and starting Jan 2014, long guns too will require registration.


28 posted on 04/12/2013 5:14:13 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: yongin

Disgusting that media is using the tragedy of Rick Warren’s son for the anti-2nd Amendement agenda.
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I am NO fan of the media, but it looks like Warren is ‘using’ the media for this own agenda, of course my BS sensor is going off like a Klaxon Horn on a Crash Diving Submarine.

I think if my son had just shot himself one of the last things on my mind would be ‘tweeting’ information pertinent to maybe catching the guy that supplied the gun


29 posted on 04/12/2013 5:14:32 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: SandyInSeattle

No, I do not mean anything other than “The story is Bogus, Bunk and BS”.


30 posted on 04/12/2013 5:15:40 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: yongin
but the gun's serial number was unreadable

Horsecrap. The FBI has had the ability to read serial numbers that have been ground off with a power grinder, based on the metal deformation in the metal by the number stamps.

And they've had that ability for years.

/johnny

31 posted on 04/12/2013 5:16:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Scratched off serial numbers can still be read.


32 posted on 04/12/2013 5:16:41 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I’ll says this. Warren is a fraud from the word “go” .


33 posted on 04/12/2013 5:17:48 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
I believe California requires registration.

Of shotguns??

34 posted on 04/12/2013 5:18:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
I guess it’s easier to blame guns then his failed role as a father.

Matthew's mental illness had nothing to do with failed parenting.

35 posted on 04/12/2013 5:18:17 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: yongin

unless it was a private sale between individuals, ummm, no, rick. just no.


36 posted on 04/12/2013 5:18:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: umgud

I think Rick is just trying to shift blame, to some unknown person.The Kid was old enough he could have bought a gun anywhere. What is with the “ unregistered” B/S.??


37 posted on 04/12/2013 5:19:05 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Behind every successful man is and amazed Mother In Law.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Depends on how deep the grinder cut is. The FBI’s serial number recovery trick is not 100%.


38 posted on 04/12/2013 5:19:36 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: yongin

Head down to the airport Rick. Barry will be sending AF1 over to pick you up in a flash. Bring a lobbyist’s handbook and a flaming copy of the Bill of Rights with you. You’re an official victim of that evil NRA now!! Also, if he “bought it off da intanet”, it would show that “waiting periods” obviously don’t work.


39 posted on 04/12/2013 5:20:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: yongin
"Someone on the internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him."

And I forgive Rick Warren for "forgiving" the seller, thus backhandedly casting the seller as some kind of sinner. As if his son couldn't just as easily have killed himself with a registered gun.

40 posted on 04/12/2013 5:20:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: SandyInSeattle
Are you saying Rick is lying?

That's a harsh statement. I think that maybe Rick might be embellishing the circumstances of how his son was able to obtain the firearm that he used to take his life.

Could it be that the firearm actually belonged to Rick and he's trying to cover up that fact?

At this point, only Rick knows.........

But what IS certain, and can be verified by many members on this site, is how hard it is (if not impossible) to purchase a handgun over the internet without going thru a FFL dealer..........The fact that Rick claims his son was able to purchase a handgun via this avenue certainly sends up a lot of red flags about the truthfulness of Rick's statements......

41 posted on 04/12/2013 5:22:02 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: yongin
Jeez Louise.

Rick Warren turns my stomach.

Fiction could not have contrived a better mechanism for Warren to exhibit his faux Christianity.

He STINKS.

42 posted on 04/12/2013 5:22:19 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Zhang Fei

How the Hell do you buy a gun off the internet with cash?


43 posted on 04/12/2013 5:22:30 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Vendome

No kidding. I would love to know where you get those no-serial number guns on the Internet?

There is so much wrong with that. The only folks that sell illegal guns like that is the BATF.


44 posted on 04/12/2013 5:22:38 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Yardstick
As if his son couldn't just as easily have killed himself with a registered gun .. or a friggin' steak knife, or stickin' his tongue in a 240 socket !
45 posted on 04/12/2013 5:23:33 PM PDT by tomkat (-no gulags for me-)
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To: yongin

So? That just means his son (and the seller) BROKE THE FREAKIN’ LAW!


46 posted on 04/12/2013 5:23:55 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: yongin
Actually there is a website (not Gun Broker.com)that allows you to post firearms for sale. I have purchased a couple from people advertising there. One was a dealer, the other a deputy sheriff. I went to the dealer's shop to buy the weapon and met the deputy at a truck stop, where we exchanged information and I purchased the weapon. He showed me his badge and ID card and I showed him my CCW license. All above board.
This could be what Warren is talking about. Technically you are not buying "over the Internet"; but you are buying from someone who advertised on a web page. My guess is, some are not as ethical as the deputy, I bought from. Just a thought.
47 posted on 04/12/2013 5:24:10 PM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“I guess it’s easier to blame guns then his failed role as a father.”

His son was a grown man to make his own decisions and he decided to kill himself. It is not the fault of the father.

If you decide to kill yourself, it is not your father’s fault.


49 posted on 04/12/2013 5:26:37 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: yongin

Hey Rick, trust me I feel for you, losing a child is the worst thing in the world that can happen to a person, but STOP blaming the gun..your son had issues for years, in fact, didn’t he come right up to you and say “Dad, why can’t the pain go away, why can’t I just die already” HELLO, WARNING SIGN MUCH? don’t give me this BS about purchasing a gun online..this kid wanted to die for years, he could have jumped off a building or slit his throat, you blame the gun, you get the focus off of what was the REAL problem is, your son was mentally ill


50 posted on 04/12/2013 5:26:56 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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