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N.Y. Confiscating Guns and FID Cards
Ammoland.com ^ | Monday, April 8, 2013 | Dan Roberts

Posted on 04/10/2013 3:00:22 PM PDT by Q-ManRN

It seems those that tried desperately to warn of such an insidious plot had hit the bullseye with their warnings after all. News came from multiple NY State based firearms enthusiast websites late Friday that confiscations of Pistol Owner ID Cards, as well as firearms and accessories has commenced in NY under the provisions of the horribly flawed, draconian and blatantly unconstitutional NY SAFE Act.

Those folks having their weapons and FID cards confiscated have been discovered to have been prescribed multiple different types of psychotropic drugs...

Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/new-york-gun-confiscation-underway/#ixzz2Q6GBSKiw

(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; fidcards; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; gunsmedication; newyork; newyorkcity; secondamendment
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The anti-gun crowd is getting what they have always wanted - excuses to confiscate guns from legal gun owners. This is why we can never allow them to win!
1 posted on 04/10/2013 3:00:23 PM PDT by Q-ManRN
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To: Q-ManRN
Obamacare will allow this, because guns cause health care issues.
It's coming, guaranteed.
2 posted on 04/10/2013 3:02:59 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Q-ManRN

Did your child ever take Ritalin? Millions of kids have. Will they be prevented from getting pistol permits?

What’s a psychotropic drug? Since when does the information from your doctor get sent to the state police? Oh, I forgot. That’s one of the goals of government-controlled medicine - government ALREADY will have the information.

Totalitarian control!!


3 posted on 04/10/2013 3:03:54 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: I want the USA back
Did your child ever take Ritalin? Millions of kids have. Will they be prevented from getting pistol permits?

Or will you be told you have to give up your pistol permit because you have a child who either took Ritalin or is currently on it living in your house?

4 posted on 04/10/2013 3:11:48 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: I want the USA back

I don’t want drug addled 20 year olds getting guns on Ritalin.


5 posted on 04/10/2013 3:13:14 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: I want the USA back

How about if you have an adult that takes Ritalin in your house. Would they take your guns.


6 posted on 04/10/2013 3:13:58 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Q-ManRN

Get out. Get out now. Pack up your stuff and go. You are now refugees.


7 posted on 04/10/2013 3:15:31 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: MissMagnolia

Even vet prescriptions can get your heat confiscated.


8 posted on 04/10/2013 3:16:21 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Q-ManRN
These are known as SSRI ( Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) class drugs and...

Uh oh... I'm not sure exactly what SSRI's are, but... could watching TV and hollyweird be one of them? I admit, I've watched in the past, and if these are SSRI's, I won't be able to carry...

9 posted on 04/10/2013 3:18:01 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: beandog

Yep.


10 posted on 04/10/2013 3:18:15 PM PDT by sport
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To: Q-ManRN
We actually can't afford to have anti-gun ownership people in this country.

We need to FIX their problem as soon as possible with EXPULSION to the nations that have gun laws. Let them live among their own kind!

That's not here.

11 posted on 04/10/2013 3:21:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sport

That means there would be one less adult living in my house. I like my guns better than him. :)


12 posted on 04/10/2013 3:22:18 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: omega4179
I don’t want drug addled 20 year olds getting guns on Ritalin.

Oh you want to go down that road? You want to deny 2nd amendment rights to a person on Ritalin? How about the millions of law abiding people on anxiety or depression drugs like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, etc. Virtually none of these people are dangerous in any way.

You realize that people will simply avoid any kind of mental health treatment if they know that because they are prescribed a Valium or Xanax they lose their 2nd amendment rights. That anyone on Free Republic supports this is beyond disappointing. Do you really not understand the ramifications of this?

13 posted on 04/10/2013 3:23:11 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Q-ManRN

The state will go after grandpa Smith and his Remington 820 and all other law abiding citizens.

meanwhile I’m Waiting for the State of NY to confiscate guns from Dominican gangs in the Bronx, Russian Mafia in Queens or the Chinese Mafia in Manhattan....

These folks are armed to the teeth....I’ve seen it...


14 posted on 04/10/2013 3:23:25 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Q-ManRN
Psychotropic drugs is just a first step.

The libs will search out more. Ever been prescribed medication for migraine headaches? How about hypertension? Ever had a DUI? You drink too much!! People who drink too much cannot have guns!!! They are EVILLLLLL!!!!!!!!

15 posted on 04/10/2013 3:31:26 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: omega4179
I don’t want drug addled 20 year olds getting guns on Ritalin.

I don't want ANYONE getting guns on Ritalin... but since when did guns take Ritalin anyway?

16 posted on 04/10/2013 3:31:29 PM PDT by PoolQue ("The best government is that which governs least.")
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To: Q-ManRN

The black market for guns is about to get real busy. I wonder why alcoholics get a pass here. Or pot smokers. There’s no end to finding the excuse needed to confiscate a gun. The SCOTUS needs to act on this (yeah, yeah I know..).


17 posted on 04/10/2013 3:31:46 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: jeffc

How about speeding tickets? Such total disregard for the speed limit makes one a dangerous individual!


18 posted on 04/10/2013 3:33:40 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: beandog

They can already take your Guns in Louisiana if during a divorce your former spouse askes for a restraining order.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 3:33:48 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Q-ManRN
18 USC § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

"Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. "

20 posted on 04/10/2013 3:36:25 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: I want the USA back
Did your child ever take Ritalin? Millions of kids have. Will they be prevented from getting pistol permits?

What’s a psychotropic drug? Since when does the information from your doctor get sent to the state police? Oh, I forgot. That’s one of the goals of government-controlled medicine - government ALREADY will have the information.

Totalitarian control!!

I take topiramate for RLS. It works great for me. Unfortunately Psychiatrists have used topiramate to treat bipolar disorder. I assume the gun grabbers will use that to keep me from buying a gun.

21 posted on 04/10/2013 3:38:00 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: I want the USA back

I predict that these millions of kids that have been given drugs like candy will be prevented from their 2nd ammendment rights. Maybe that was part of the plan; communists love declaring people mentally ill.


22 posted on 04/10/2013 3:45:09 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Longbow1969; omega4179
"Oh you want to go down that road? You want to deny 2nd amendment rights to a person on Ritalin? How about the millions of law abiding people on anxiety or depression drugs like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, etc. Virtually none of these people are dangerous in any way."

Absolutely correct, plus you rapidly get into the issue of anyone else in your household who has ever been on any of these meds. Also, your and your family medical records under Obamacare are going to end us being used by law enforcement to confiscate your guns, etc. This more than a slippery slope. It is a wholesale license for mass abrogation of the 2nd Amendment.

23 posted on 04/10/2013 3:46:09 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Q-ManRN
What happened to due process? What became of the rule of law?

Regardless of any Rx that anyone is taking this is a first to take away someone’s 2nd Amendment rights based on the premise of mental health issues without the due process of being adjudicated mentally incompetent in a court of law with the benefit of counsel. This is an outrage.

24 posted on 04/10/2013 3:46:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: MaxMax

Nope. Wickard v. Filburn and the 17th Amendment allowed it.


25 posted on 04/10/2013 3:46:32 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Q-ManRN

And it won’t be long before those who oppose the government in any way will be deemed as mentally ill and a threat and will have their guns confiscated. This will happen.


26 posted on 04/10/2013 3:48:06 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: omega4179

They prescribe that drug for any behavior they deem a problem, real or imagined.


27 posted on 04/10/2013 3:48:26 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: DouglasKC
You mean like this?

Feinstein: All Vets Are Mentally Ill And Government Should Prevent Them From Owning Firearms

28 posted on 04/10/2013 3:49:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: I want the USA back
Totalitarian control!!

Call it like it is. COMMUNIST CONTROL

29 posted on 04/10/2013 3:51:58 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Truth29
This more than a slippery slope. It is a wholesale license for mass abrogation of the 2nd Amendment.

Absolutely correct.

30 posted on 04/10/2013 3:52:02 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Whether you’re guilty or not! Good way for a bitter spouse to get even.


31 posted on 04/10/2013 3:52:37 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Q-ManRN

It’s time to play the Israeli game known as persona non grata.

Deny the Nazi Cuomo landing rights in all patriot blue states. If he drives or walks into a blue state, give him no food, no water, no clothing and no fuel.


32 posted on 04/10/2013 3:52:57 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: Q-ManRN

(p. 17)

‘‘(b) It shall be unlawful for any person (other than
2 a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed col3
lector, or licensed dealer) to knowingly purchase, or at4
tempt or conspire to purchase, any firearm in or otherwise
5 affecting interstate or foreign commerce—
6 ‘‘(1) from a licensed importer, licensed manu7
facturer, licensed collector, or licensed dealer for, on
8 behalf of, or at the request or demand of any other
9 person, known or unknown; or
10 ‘‘(2) from any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed collector, or
12 licensed dealer for, on behalf of, or at the request or
13 demand of any other person, known or unknown,
14 knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that
15 such other person—

(p. 18)
‘‘(D) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113s649pcs/pdf/BILLS-113s649pcs.pdf

This bill will use the grant to higher ed/establish a ‘center’ and a ‘commission’ strategy to create regulations that will seize or otherwise prevent firearm ownership.


33 posted on 04/10/2013 3:54:05 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: DouglasKC

Just like in the Soviet Union. Of course, New York is already a socialist republic. I cannot image why anyone lives there now.


34 posted on 04/10/2013 3:54:10 PM PDT by Q-ManRN
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To: Q-ManRN

I think that the Ammoland article makes a critical point that needs to be followed up on:

Either the gun banners admit that psychotropic drugs are a common feature of mass shootings and therefore should be looked at more closely, rather than passing useless gun control laws*,

Or the gun banners admit that this is just an excuse to confiscate guns. They can’t have it both ways.

*I’m not suggesting that I back the automatic confiscation of guns from a person that is prescribed these drugs; I’m suggesting that 1) the drugs themselves need to be carefully looked at, and 2) the gun banners must be consistent and we must require them to be so. They can’t be allowed to claim that the drugs had nothing to do with the shootings and then simultaneously claim that all who take them must surrender their guns.


35 posted on 04/10/2013 3:58:00 PM PDT by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: TigersEye

“You say you want a revolution, well, you know.....”


36 posted on 04/10/2013 3:58:28 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: TigersEye
just an observation ~ most of the mad dog killer situations involve someone finalizing his trip into schizophrenia. That can happen quite fast ~ and not everyone with the DNA associated with the condition actually ever manifests the problem.

The consequence is it's virtually impossible to find the mad dog killers ahead of time.

On the other hand the use of psychotropic drugs to deal with neurological ~ not mental ~ disorders is common, but not everybody getting psychotropic drugs is a total head case like the schizophrenics may turn out to be.

I don't see how we can even test for the problem beforehand, nor even anticipate its occurrence based on use of powerful drugs! At least not with current technology.

In the meantime all the rest of us need firearms so we can establish a sort of balance between what certain kinds of mentally ill people can do, and our need for security.

Not likely the police can provide that balance ~

37 posted on 04/10/2013 3:59:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Uncle Miltie

It becomes clearer every day that the Progressives do.


38 posted on 04/10/2013 4:00:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: hitkicker
The problem here is that the psychotropic drugs do not cause schizophrenia or psychotic breaks. They are 'associated' with that condition at all simply because doctors will try anything possible to alleviate the symptoms of schizophrenia!

The head cases will go on to be head cases no matter what you give them because NOTHING TREATS SCHIZOPHRENIA. So, we trank them.

Not all the head cases are violent.

39 posted on 04/10/2013 4:02:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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*


40 posted on 04/10/2013 4:03:36 PM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: muawiyah
involve someone finalizing his trip into schizophrenia.

Well, into psychosis, anyway.

41 posted on 04/10/2013 4:03:39 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Longbow1969

My thoughts exactly, this guy is an idiot. I’m on Effexor and I’ve only ever defended myself. I was also on Ritalin as a child, because I was so hyper at school(boohoo).

Anyone that supports this on FR is not a conservative, tough shit, go to DU any liberal troll.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. What don’t you people get about that phrase is beyond me, pretty clear.

Saying that you support this ridiculous bullshit is saying you support infringement of the second amendment, and you can go pound sand.


42 posted on 04/10/2013 4:04:51 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: muawiyah

That discussion is all well and good but it doesn’t answer what happened to this man’s right to due process. Can we admit yet that the rule of law is dead and we live in a banana republic?


43 posted on 04/10/2013 4:05:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: combat_boots

Frightening!


44 posted on 04/10/2013 4:18:20 PM PDT by Q-ManRN
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To: MaxMax

Liberalism caused health issues, but they are not banning that. Too bad!


45 posted on 04/10/2013 4:22:38 PM PDT by Q-ManRN
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To: Q-ManRN

When they show up at the wrong house, it will be interesting.


46 posted on 04/10/2013 4:24:29 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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More NY Gun Confiscation



47 posted on 04/10/2013 4:27:37 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: steve86

http://www.healthcanal.com/brain-nerves/37640-international-study-confirms-multiple-genes-contribute-to-schizophrenia-risk.html this was released just an hour ago. you might want to read it.


48 posted on 04/10/2013 4:29:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TigersEye
I'm not giving up. You can. Maybe you've got relatives overseas. I haven't had an ancestor arrive for over 2 centuries and most of them were here since the 1500s.

This place will work or the depoartations will need to begin ~ with the people with the wrong ideas getting put on the air freighters for a trip out over the ocean to someplace.

49 posted on 04/10/2013 4:31:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Just because the reality is bad recognizing it as bad is not giving up. I have no relatives overseas. Barely any here.


50 posted on 04/10/2013 4:37:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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