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Sources Report Senate Republicans Caving on Guns
Red State ^ | 4/9/2013 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 04/10/2013 5:57:05 AM PDT by IbJensen

Sources inside the Senate tell me that the Republican Conference is scared to death of the tactics of Senators Lee, Cruz and Paul – that it is supposedly putting them in a tough spot.

Several of the Republicans are using the Manchin-Toomey compromise plan as an excuse to cave on the gun filibuster. They claim that Senators Lee, Cruz, and Paul are running ahead of the conference in their insistence on a filibuster.

What they fail to see is that the cloture vote is the vote to stop the gun legislation from passage.

Several Republican Senators intend to vote against the filibuster, but then vote against the overall bill. This is too clever by half. The GOP does not control the Senate as the GOP is want to say every time they don’t want to fight.

Their only power to block a gun control bill is to unite and filibuster.

Voting for cloture is voting for the gun control bill because, again, as the GOP reminds us, they are not in the majority. The only way to stop it is to filibuster.


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Senator "Establishment Partnership to combat Conservatism" McCain is leading the charge.

McCain, the infamous hoarse whisperer along with his Senate pals, has become RINO pondscum. Juan, et al, is unworthy of anything but approbation from real Americans and is a disgrace to his office and the State he supposedly represents.

He, and his Rino admirers, cheapens the sacrifice of every soldier that ever fought for this Nation. His accomplishments while a U. S. Navy officer are destroying several expensive aircraft while grandstanding and being captured after his last crash by the North Vietnamese. He has since returned to Vietnam to kiss their asses.

1 posted on 04/10/2013 5:57:05 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

These people are amazingly weak. Rand Paul’s last filibuster did more to bolster the Republican reputation than any other effort in 10 years. Not even a close second. These incompetent leaders need to be removed.


2 posted on 04/10/2013 5:58:46 AM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: IbJensen

Guess those senators just don’t want to be senators any more.


3 posted on 04/10/2013 6:00:22 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: IbJensen
GOP is want to say every time they don’t want to fight

*****

It how they roll -- always down hill and as far away from principle as they can get. The weak and stupid party.

4 posted on 04/10/2013 6:01:49 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: IbJensen

“...Republican Conference is scared to death of the tactics of Senators Lee, Cruz and Paul”

Why?


5 posted on 04/10/2013 6:03:43 AM PDT by Castigar
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To: ilgipper

When this asshats finally come to realize they are NOT going to win elections in most of the northeast and decide to vote with the voice of the remainder of the country they will cease being useful idiots.

All they need to do is simply say if you want to change the second amendment, there is a provision to do it...go ahead. Passing laws limiting an inalienable right are not just unconstitutional, they are demonic.


6 posted on 04/10/2013 6:04:03 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: IbJensen; All

Tyrant Kim Un Hussein must be very pleased that his efforts to “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” are progressing so easily.


7 posted on 04/10/2013 6:04:58 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: IbJensen

Sounds like they’re more scared of obama.


8 posted on 04/10/2013 6:05:42 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: IbJensen

They had a show. Now the show is over and they are back to who they really are.


9 posted on 04/10/2013 6:05:44 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Castigar

Because it shakes up the “establishment”


10 posted on 04/10/2013 6:05:56 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: IbJensen

We’re all anti-constitution, anti-American, anti-individual, anti-life, pro-tyranny socialists/totalitarians now? DEPOPULATE every one of them from the body politic. Enough of their socialist-engineering agenda. BIG GOVERNMENT IS CRONY SOCIALISM.

live - free - republic


11 posted on 04/10/2013 6:07:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: IbJensen

In the debates, these points need to be made repeatedly:

Mandatory Background checks accomplish NOTHING to impede crime or the criminal.

Limiting Magazine Capacity does NOTHING to impede the criminal, or make citizens safer.

So, WHY are these measures being pushed so hard?
Who would benefit from these restrictions?

ONLY a Fascist government, attempting to manage an advantage over it’s citizenry would benefit.


12 posted on 04/10/2013 6:08:19 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: IbJensen

Those supporting the filibuster are the very ones who are doing the right thing. Those people will be rewarded since they are representing the constitution. They must be encouraged to soldier on and to be brave. As we know, anytime there is a piece of important legislation, the McCain rino types cave to agree with the liberals. Why even be in the republican party. They need to be removed at some point. This would not be happening if not for the Snows and McCains and the others alike. Now, friction because the speaker is not conservative enough to unite the fractions like the corrupt democrats seem to always do.


13 posted on 04/10/2013 6:09:58 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: IbJensen
What part of "...shall not be infringed." is so hard to comprehend?

What part of "...support and defend the Constitution of the United States..." is so hard to remember?

I CAN'T STAND THESE FOOLS ON THE HILL!

They have no RIGHT to even suggest or debate changing the Second Amendment.

SNBI

14 posted on 04/10/2013 6:10:11 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: IbJensen
McCain has recently moved on to siding with the folks in Syria who issue fatwas making it OK to rape Christian women.

He is NUTS!

15 posted on 04/10/2013 6:10:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Da Coyote

No guts. No principles. No fortitude. For sale to the highest bidder - definition of a Senator (R). They allow the AC in the WH to continue his ascension to the throne for promises of cash sent to their states.


16 posted on 04/10/2013 6:11:20 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: IbJensen

McCain has gone RHINO big time lately. I think Alzheimer’s has finally taken hold of the man.


17 posted on 04/10/2013 6:13:19 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: IbJensen

With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?


18 posted on 04/10/2013 6:14:21 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: IbJensen

I guess we are just going to have to conceal the weaponry we already have, and find non-conventional ways to resist when the physical search for them begins in earnest.

Crossbows with a large supply of fleches, machetes and various rigged IED road mines, using the example the Taliban and al-Qaeda have set, may be the way this will be nullified. If the cost to subjugate the wider part of the territory once known as “the United States of America” is too high, the would-be emperor and his minions will retreat to their “safe” enclaves.

Because they marched in very conspicuous fashion, it was easy to spot and track the British Redcoats during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, while the Americans could rely on their knowledge of the terrain and lay ambushes at critical points while the Redcoats were moving.

At the very least, containing the oppressors in their bunkers, and starving them out, will eventually cause them to surrender.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 6:14:22 AM PDT by alloysteel (Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new.)
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To: ilgipper

I think that they’re all bought and paid for.That or Obama has their FBI files detailing perverse behavior that would land them in prison if released.


20 posted on 04/10/2013 6:16:01 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: IbJensen

quote “What they fail to see is that the cloture vote is the vote to stop the gun legislation from passage”

lol

they are not ‘failing to see” anything. They know darn well what the consequences of the cloture vote are.


21 posted on 04/10/2013 6:25:20 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: IbJensen
Sources Report Senate Republicans Caving on Guns

Opposition is interfering with their tee times and makes their cocktail parties too uncomfortable. /sarc

22 posted on 04/10/2013 6:26:03 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: IbJensen

I despise Juan McCain.


23 posted on 04/10/2013 6:26:54 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: Farmer Dean
I think that they’re all bought and paid for.That or Obama has their FBI files detailing perverse behavior that would land them in prison if released.

I think it's just as likely that they're a bunch of liars. Are politicians in office to serve us or are they there to pursue their pet causes? My feeling is that the second eventually wins out.

24 posted on 04/10/2013 6:28:14 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Castigar

Because they are afraid of everything. Just like a team that is perpetually in last place, the GOPe has a losers mentality.


25 posted on 04/10/2013 6:29:29 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: IbJensen

Ayn Rand: “In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.”

Whenever republicans “compromise” with democrats the constitution takes another direct hit.

A compromise is nothing more than giving democrats a win but cloaking it in other terms to make it sound better.

Every compromise is a loss for patriots and conservatives and a win for anti-constitutional Nanny Staters.

Democrats are happy to advance their agenda by chipping away a little at a time. Like water eroding a rock - sooner or later they will gradually erode our culture and constitution until they are lost.


26 posted on 04/10/2013 6:30:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: jsanders2001

He’s always been this way, trying to live up to his father and grandfather, both better men than he.


27 posted on 04/10/2013 6:30:39 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: IbJensen
"What they fail to see is that the cloture vote is the vote to stop the gun legislation from passage. "

No, what YOU (the author) fail to see is that THERE SHOULD BE NO 'VOTING' ON WHETHER WE GET TO KEEP OUR RIGHTS

28 posted on 04/10/2013 6:31:11 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: IbJensen

There is a reason I voted against McCain and for a democrat the last time he ran. It was the first democrat I’ve voted for in many years, but since one was going to be the next senator regardless...


29 posted on 04/10/2013 6:32:42 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: IbJensen

They can all just piss off and go to hell. Voting has become nearly pointless.


30 posted on 04/10/2013 6:37:16 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: jsanders2001

McCain has a been a useless RINO for a long time.


31 posted on 04/10/2013 6:44:32 AM PDT by GP100
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To: Da Coyote

They want all the perks that come with being a senator but they don’t want any of the responsibility of being the leadership party....They want to bitch and complain and put on a dog and pony show, before going along with the Rats.


32 posted on 04/10/2013 6:47:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IbJensen
Democrats want the moon, and the republicans will settle at a piece of cheese.
How many pieces of cheese before there's no moon left.

The Democrats are getting what they want! WTF does no mean NO to these damn people!!

33 posted on 04/10/2013 6:49:31 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: MaxMax

If the Republicans won’t fight for us, why should we fight for them?


34 posted on 04/10/2013 6:50:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Da Coyote

they know they’ll still get voted in because we have millions upon million of voters who have not a frigging clue what they’re voting for, R or D, , sorry S for socialist.

The media will never inform the masses of what is really happening, hell our house is closed, the house we pay for and they have concerts and vacations and not hardly a peep from the stupid party or the media.

The GOP should have been calling a press conference and pointing this out and how out of touch the white house is but alas no, instead they do nothing and think the media might report this.

If you want to hit the Obama’s then take their vacations away, take the golf away, take the concerts and fancy dinners, and flying about on our dime for fund raising.

The free loading wife would go nuts and never want to give up her freebies


35 posted on 04/10/2013 6:51:35 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Farmer Dean

agree and then I also think the communists and socialist in power have been bugging many of the republicans and have dirt on them as well as the judges on the supreme court


36 posted on 04/10/2013 6:53:24 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
These treasonous and dishonorable actions make it patently clear to us lowlies that the eGOP is much more concerned with maintaining their cushy positions of power than any oath of office they may have once sworn.

To be treated accordingly.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

37 posted on 04/10/2013 6:54:57 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: IbJensen
What they fail to see is that the cloture vote is the vote to stop the gun legislation from passage.

The Republican bastards know exactly what they are doing and that's stabbing us in the back again.
Except for a few, we have no Senators representing us.

FU Republican Party, you're are dead.

38 posted on 04/10/2013 7:04:20 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Starboard

Well they don’t call it a Roll Call for nothing


39 posted on 04/10/2013 7:10:28 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: IbJensen

Actually it is not surprising. Must keep an intact record and make certain the public is bent over.


40 posted on 04/10/2013 7:13:50 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: IbJensen

Republicans do this on every major bill. They categorically refuse to provide opposition where it will do the most good for the people of the United States and the defense of the Constitution.

But they can still go home and claim they voted against gun control, even as they enable the traitors who are subverting the popular will.

This is why the Republican Party needs to be replaced. When Erick “GOP Uber Alles” Erickson is ready to admit that, he’ll take a big step in the right direction. And the Right direction as well.


41 posted on 04/10/2013 7:15:14 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: IbJensen

With the homo-marriage republican and the doofus democrat giving FOURTY YEAR/PERMANENT RECORDS registration this is 100% disgusting.

DC Republicans can not be trusted with out civil rights.

the MSM whores are already gone. FNF this am was reporting ON A REPORTERS FAMILY while the rest of the MSM was deliviering the “just a first step” message to supporters and reporting a push poll.


42 posted on 04/10/2013 7:19:56 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Castigar

National Review Online recently reported on something you didn’t hear from the lame-stream media. When Rand Paul staged his now famous 13-hour filibuster the polls showed “a 50-point shift in public opinion toward his position.”

Senator Mike Lee commented: “Once it became clear what the principle was that was being stood for, the public naturally followed.”

When Paul staged his first filibuster... we didn’t see it coming. We had no warning and we had no time to mount a campaign of support.

But now that we know what may be coming, we have no excuse not to make our voices heard and help make it happen.

http://sm.responsebeacon.com/track?t=v&enid=ZWFzPTEmbWlkPTI4NDgwNSZtc2dpZD0yNTA2MDEmZGlk


43 posted on 04/10/2013 7:20:22 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: IbJensen

The republicans in the house will fold even quicker. The filibuster is the last line of defense.


44 posted on 04/10/2013 7:24:03 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Mr Rogers

I don’t recall - when is McLame up for reelection again - is it 2014 or 2016?

Do you think JD Hayworth will run again?

Thanks!


45 posted on 04/10/2013 7:25:24 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops)
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To: IbJensen
This is the beginning of a National Gun Registry. Mark my words.
Obama will use a “State of Emergency” and Executive Order to merge the background checks into a database.
46 posted on 04/10/2013 7:28:14 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: IbJensen

Cannot wait till SanFran-nan comes out and says, “We passed it. Now we can tell you what’s in it.”


47 posted on 04/10/2013 7:28:52 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Zhang Fei
Are politicians in office to serve us or are they there to pursue their pet causes?

That's entirely up to us. If we don't DO SOMETHING, they are there to pursue their pet causes.

48 posted on 04/10/2013 7:29:55 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: tobyhill

Exactly.


49 posted on 04/10/2013 7:30:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: G Larry

background checks is just code for registration.

the left wingers want permanenet records.

this takes records from 90 DAYS and makes it 40 YEARS.


50 posted on 04/10/2013 7:31:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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