Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Itís official: New York gun confiscation is on [Gun permit suspended over medication]
WIVB.com via bob-owens.com ^ | 9 April, 2013 | WIVB

Posted on 04/09/2013 7:55:17 PM PDT by marktwain

And so this is how it begins: a man with no criminal record and no mental health issues is told by the state that he must turn in his legally-purchased arms to the state because they somehow accessed his medical records. Reader LC Scotty dropped this admission of tyranny into the comments of today’s earlier post:

The NYS SAFE Act is billed as a necessary law to protect the public and keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people.

But Hamburg attorney Jim Tresmond says his client was notified by letter that his gun permit was suspended upon the recommendation of State Police, who learned the man is on anti-anxiety medication.

“Claiming that he had taken some psychotropic medications, and that he no longer could be eligible for the pistol permit,” Tresmond said.

The permit holder lives in Amherst and Tresmond accompanied the man as he turned in his seven handguns used for target-shooting to Amherst Police.

“A law-abiding, honest, hard working professional, who never had one wit of scandal associated with him, criminal or otherwise. And they took his guns away,” Tresmond said.

Tresmond is one of the attorneys already suing the state over passage of the SAFE ACT, which at the time was the toughest gun control law in the country.

Tresmond says his client once took a prescribed medication for his anxiety but he is not mentally ill. The Amherst man ended his prescription use within the last year.

“He is a law-abiding citizen, no record. He is a stellar member of the community, I would say. Not an ex-felon. He is one of the nicest young men I have met in a long time,” Tresmond said.

Officials confirmed state law permits the suspension of a gun permit before the permit holder even gets a chance to state their case.

I’d suggest it is time for New Yorkers to take some time to pray this evening, and decide how much more tyranny they are willing to take.

How does that musty old document Cuomo and Bloomberg hate so much go again?

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; confiscation; cwii; govtabuse; guncontrol; ny; policestate; rapeofliberty; registration; secondamendment; tyranny
Confiscation will not be done, en mass, with armored police raids. It will be done this way, over a generation or two, as registration requirements are tightened and reasons to own guns restricted. Little by little, a bit at a time, until gun owners are few and politically weak.

This process has been ongoing in New York for over a century. That is why there are so few gun owners in New York City now, because we let the Sullivan act fester there, unchecked, for a century.

It is a national scandal that such a major infringement as the Sullivan act, put into law to protect organized crime, was allowed to infringe on New Yorkers Constitutional rights for all this time.

1 posted on 04/09/2013 7:55:17 PM PDT by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: marktwain
"And they took his guns away”

No, he gave them up.
2 posted on 04/09/2013 8:01:42 PM PDT by frankenMonkey (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -- Sigmund Freud)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: frankenMonkey

The alternative was the police killing him and his wife. Maybe his kid(s) too. It’s all about saving the children.


3 posted on 04/09/2013 8:03:37 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
 photo F451_zps2f217852.jpg
4 posted on 04/09/2013 8:04:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: frankenMonkey

“And they took his guns away”

No, he gave them up. “

I agree.


5 posted on 04/09/2013 8:11:34 PM PDT by Castigar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: rmlew
I'm thinking maybe he could have placed them in custody with his attorney, at least. Contest the law.

I do agree that there will be no mass confiscation, gun owners will get picked off one at a time till critical mass is achieved.
6 posted on 04/09/2013 8:12:05 PM PDT by frankenMonkey (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -- Sigmund Freud)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Great! So they started with the street gangs, taking their guns first?


7 posted on 04/09/2013 8:14:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Here is the interview Tresmond did with morning talk show host on WBEN Tom Bauerle.
http://audio.wben.com/a/73319182/bauerle-with-jim-tresmond.htm


8 posted on 04/09/2013 8:14:58 PM PDT by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" ¬ó Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Wait & see what happens when ObamaCare allows the Federales to dig through every (Republican’s) medical record. And that is exactly what they are planning.

I may be paranoid, but I am damn sure not stupid.


9 posted on 04/09/2013 8:17:04 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
 photo 152164-050-BDE65ADA_zpsee652bdf.jpg
10 posted on 04/09/2013 8:18:10 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

That’s my analysis as well. It’s happened/is happening in MA in precisely the same way.

Nowadays you’re half a kook if you keep a hunting rifle, never mind carry.


11 posted on 04/09/2013 8:19:56 PM PDT by Gefreiter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Tyrant Kim Un Hussein must be very pleased that his efforts to “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” are progressing so easily.


12 posted on 04/09/2013 8:20:20 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: frankenMonkey
No, he gave them up.

*******************

These are the test cases... IMO...
... LEO agencies and bureaucrats experimenting and proving their tactics for passive surrender of legally owned firearms...

Hasn't this fancy-pants New York lawyer heard of an emergency injunction,
....or temporary restraining order in lieu of a hearing/ adjudication.

Never surrender your stuff without due process....
...if they mount-up a raid team in the name of this bogus reason for confiscation--
--WELLLL--
There you have a stupid-endous tremendous example of overreach with clear violation of constitutional rights, particularly 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendment rights.

Just say'n...

13 posted on 04/09/2013 8:24:02 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: frankenMonkey
It will be done at the local level and the media will say nary a word about it. No one will know who else or where else it's happening IN ADVANCE OR DURING, with no way to protest against it en masse. Only after the fact will these instances become known, and limited to sites such as here but not Facebunk or major media.
14 posted on 04/09/2013 8:26:37 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer
Great! So they started with the street gangs, taking their guns first?

No. Gangsters help get out the vote for representatives of the Democratic [sic] party, plus all the cops and politicians they pay off are affiliated with the same organization.

15 posted on 04/09/2013 8:38:47 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
Confiscation will not be done, en mass, with armored police raids. It will be done this way, over a generation or two, as registration requirements are tightened and reasons to own guns restricted. Little by little, a bit at a time, until gun owners are few and politically weak.


There is more going on here than just gun confiscation.

Back in the days of the USSR, the Communists used mental hospitals to jail people fpr political reasons.

We are seeing a broad based effort on the part of the US Government to use vague and totally subjective mental health criteria as a pretext to control people.

The Obama Administration is pulling this directly out of the Stalin/Lenin playbook.

A perfect example is using “Post Traumatic Stress Disorder” as a pretext to confiscate firearms from military veterans and to prevent vets from having guns in their possession.

I’ll leave to peoples imaginations as to why the Obama Administration is so focused on preventing trained US military combat vets from having success to firearms.

16 posted on 04/09/2013 8:42:48 PM PDT by rdcbn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
 photo FREEDOM2.jpg It's time...
17 posted on 04/09/2013 8:43:23 PM PDT by baddog 219
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain; All

“because they somehow accessed his medical records”

So, what did you think the Obamacare databases were really going to be used for?


18 posted on 04/09/2013 8:43:44 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Same thing in 1994 Staten Island after the Feinstein Federal gun ban, NYC used licenses to round up those guns.


19 posted on 04/09/2013 8:44:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wings-n-Wind; et al

This is why you can have my lawyer after you pry my cold dead hands from around his throat. (Though they would make decent compost)


20 posted on 04/09/2013 8:59:55 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 ( Nothing so vexes me as a democrap above ground...ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS. (It's the Law))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Graewoulf

[[progressing so easily.]]

We shoudl not only be upset with our anti american dear leader, but with the right for their spineless cowardice- they are just as guilty of anti-americanism as dear leader and the left are


21 posted on 04/09/2013 9:02:06 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Wings-n-Wind

[[There you have a stupid-endous tremendous example of overreach with clear violation of constitutional rights, particularly 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendment rights.]]

And hwere is his lawyer in all this? Where is the NRA Damnit?


22 posted on 04/09/2013 9:03:22 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer; All

No, Big Tim Sullivan was the New York Tamminy Hall organized crime boss that got the law passed. He was concerned that new immigrants were not so willing to pay protection money, and his boys were getting shot.

So he engineered the law that bears his name, where the corrupt New York City machine could decide who could legally have pistols, and who could not.

It escalated from there.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2972385/posts


23 posted on 04/09/2013 9:04:13 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

[[But Hamburg attorney Jim Tresmond says his client was notified by letter that his gun permit was suspended upon the recommendation of State Police, who learned the man is on anti-anxiety medication. ]]

Wherei n the consitution does it say soemoen on anti-anxiety medications is unfit to own a gun? Who determiend that he was unfit? What was their diagnosis? Was he under hteir care long enough for them to make that determination? What signs did he exhibit that warrented such a drastic action against him?

IF he miraculously wins this case- I hope to hell he sues the CRAP out of those who confiscated his guns-


24 posted on 04/09/2013 9:07:15 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Criminals will have taken note that the man is now unarmed.

I wonder how long it will take before they come knocking.


25 posted on 04/09/2013 9:13:02 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CottShop

Some day aspirin and Tylenol will be considered anti-anxiety medication.


26 posted on 04/09/2013 9:16:24 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer

Are you kidding? That can get them shot! They’d much rather go after this guy sitting peacefully in his house.


27 posted on 04/09/2013 9:19:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: frankenMonkey
"And they took his guns away” No, he gave them up.

And what if he hadn't given them up and made a stand? Would you have shown up to help? Or would you have sat back and watched it on TV?

Don't take my post personally. I'm just illustrating a point.

28 posted on 04/09/2013 9:21:57 PM PDT by precisionshootist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: frankenMonkey
"And they took his guns away”

No, he gave them up.

Under bad legal advice from a lawyer with bigger fish to fry (his case against the State of NY). It's going to be a lot harder to get the guns back now that the police have their hands on them.

29 posted on 04/09/2013 9:24:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: precisionshootist

It’s not a binary thing, there are more choices than either 1) hand over the guns or 2) be shot by a SWAT team. His attorney could have taken custody of the firearms and arranged for safe storage while the case settles, but for some reason the lawyer thinks it’s OK to let the Police hold them. I’m not sure I’d have gone the route they did. Maybe he couldn’t take custody, even though he’s an officer of the court.


30 posted on 04/09/2013 9:29:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
Feinstein: All Vets Are Mentally Ill And Government Should Prevent Them From Owning Firearms

Feinstein has already set up virtually every veteran for this same treatment.

31 posted on 04/09/2013 9:36:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
Soon they'll be chippin the Mexicans. But hey! They deserve it.

The beast approaches.

32 posted on 04/09/2013 9:57:42 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer; AlexW
Great! So they started with the street gangs, taking their guns first?

They do not want to be called racists, so this will never happen. The gang bangers will be allowed to keep their weapons. And people wonder why I plan on becoming an expat. The psychopaths are running the asylum.

33 posted on 04/09/2013 11:26:46 PM PDT by Mark17 (My body is in California, but my heart is in the Philippines)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Registration even through so called background checks (that are supposed to be erased after 3 days but are forever in the computer) = confiscation. How many boys are forced to take Ritalin by the central controlled education system? Guess what they can’t own a gun. See where this goes?


34 posted on 04/10/2013 12:13:58 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cyber Liberty
His attorney could have taken custody of the firearms and arranged for safe storage while the case settles

I'm not sure what the legal procedures are for the transfer of seven handguns in New York.

I'm pretty sure it isn't as simple as it is in North Dakota...

35 posted on 04/10/2013 12:23:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Welcome to the New World Order, soon they will start rounding up those who oppose them and send them to re-education camps, how did that work out for the Jews in NAZI Germany?


36 posted on 04/10/2013 2:16:49 AM PDT by stockpirate (Sen. John Kerry belonged to the terrorist group VVAW.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stockpirate

Good point. Though, how did it work out for the Nazi’s?


37 posted on 04/10/2013 2:19:42 AM PDT by RedHeeler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

So that’s it... because some bureaucrat went snooping into this guy’s mental health record and found he’s on an anti-anxiety drug, his 2nd Amendment rights are forfeit.

And the libs try to give these false assurances gun registration doesn’t lead to confiscation. NYers, does he have any options, or are his weapons forever gone?


38 posted on 04/10/2013 2:38:28 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: precisionshootist
Oh, I agree with you it's a conumdrum.

The authorities are picking around the edges, the relatively low-hanging fruit where a mass protest would probably not occur.

The same thing wouldn't happen in Wyoming, Texas, or Utah.

But I think at some point they will go too far, and a fire may start. It's mighty dry tinder in a lot of places.
39 posted on 04/10/2013 6:08:54 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -- Sigmund Freud)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

“Confiscation will not be done, en mass, with armored police raids. It will be done this way, over a generation or two, as registration requirements are tightened and reasons to own guns restricted. Little by little, a bit at a time, until gun owners are few and politically weak.”

The local sheriff here is giving speeches before women’s groups, urging them to buy weapons and learn how to use them.

Basic physics: For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.


40 posted on 04/10/2013 6:18:05 AM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RedHeeler

It actually only went bad for the NAZI’s when we entered the war, now that we have become a fascist government there is no we to save us from them but us.


41 posted on 04/10/2013 6:37:27 AM PDT by stockpirate (ALL of the Republican leadership is in bed with the fascist democrats and the NWO.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: stockpirate

Socialist fascism is a pure born evil. Islam is it’s true origin of birth. We will overcome, once again. The greatest social experiment in human history, will not die, by moral vagrancy. We will overcome, once again.


42 posted on 04/10/2013 7:23:07 AM PDT by RedHeeler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Cyber Liberty

Exactly


43 posted on 04/10/2013 10:05:18 AM PDT by HollyB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: frankenMonkey
But I think at some point they will go too far, and a fire may start. It's mighty dry tinder in a lot of places.

I very severely doubt it. Ain't nobody got time for that. Besides, American Idol is on.

See, we keep going over how the Constitution has been violated. It's happened and is happening on both sides of the aisle. The Constitution, for all intents and purposes, is nothing more than a piece of paper and a history listen. It has no place in modern times, but for some reason we keep talking about how it's so important. It CANNOT be ignored, and oh how we rail against the criminals.

In the end, we do nothing. We shake our heads when another attack happens. We shake our fists in the air and b*tch to no one in particular when pols piss all over the Constitution. Yet we do NOTHING.

Let's face it: the Great Experiment has been concluded, and we ultimately failed. Because we continue to do nothing.

44 posted on 04/10/2013 4:43:35 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Cuomo admitted, right from the beginning, that confiscation would be a possibility, but yet the majority of NYers still love him.


45 posted on 04/11/2013 11:07:47 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson