Skip to comments.Bill O’Reilly vs. Rush Limbaugh
Posted on 04/01/2013 9:01:32 PM PDT by Pinkbell
There are various ways to describe the civil war rising inside the Republican Party: insiders versus outsiders, pragmatists versus true-believers, establishment versus Tea Party. Heres another: Bill OReilly conservatives versus Rush Limbaugh conservatives.
Last week, the two media titans clashed after OReilly accused opponents of gay marriage of lacking compelling argument[s] and merely thump[ing] the Bible. Limbaugh responded by saying that conservative Christians were sort of marginalized on OReillys show. On the surface, the scuffle merely reflected differing opinions about the arguments deployed last week at the Supreme Court. But in reality, it reflected a different view of conservatism itself.
OReilly is a conservative populist, which is to say, he only champions those conservative viewpoints that he believes enjoy mass appeal. His evolution on gay marriageas helpfully chronicled by New York magazines Dan Amiraillustrates the point. While OReillys own views have shifted, what has remained constant is his tendency to justify those views by reference to the popular will. In 2006 OReilly said he opposed gay marriage because it is clear that most Americans want heterosexual marriage to maintain its special place
Traditional marriage is widely seen as a social stabilizer. In 2009 he again phrased his opposition in terms of public opinion: You dont do it [pass gay marriage] particularly if people in California
dont want it, they think that the heterosexuality is a societal stabilizer. But by linking his own notions of social stability to those of the public at large, OReilly gave himself room to shift. By May of last year he was declaring that individual states should decide the question. And last week he said he supported civil unions, while on gay marriage, I dont feel that strongly about it one way or another. I think the states should do it.
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He obviously prefers Bill O'Reilly, whereas I prefer Limbaugh as I don't want someone whose beliefs are based on the popular opinion at the time, but on their morals and firmly held beliefs. I don't want someone who will sway with the wind. They'll be on your side one day but not the next. The writer obviously likes this about O'Reilly because the left like people they can shift to their views based on a public poll. The writer concludes:
Like Reagan, OReilly has a gift for quietly making peace with progressive advances he formerly opposed while excoriating (and often caricaturing) those leftist innovations that can still be dismissed as fringe. If I were a GOP presidential aspirant, Id watch OReilly closely over the next few years, because the Republican candidate who best articulates his brand of conservatism will be the candidate best able to regain the White House in 2016.
One can only hope not.
When you read the article, avoide the comments. They are a liberal playground.
O’Reily isn’t fit to clean Limbaugh’s catbox.
BOR is a spinner, not at all looking out, for YOU!
Who gives a rat’s tail to what O’Reilly Says!
Even Limbaugh has capitulated by saying that gay marriage is “inevitable.”
I say to hell with ‘em both.
Nobody stands for absolutely nothing stronger and outspokendly than Bill OReilly.
Stoopped listening to O years ago. If you always stand in the middle of the road, you’ll get run over.
So now the state once again in it's infinite wisdom meddles where it should never be. In the family. There will be more unintended consequences and America will go the way of Rome and Cyprus. This is inevitable. Liberals can't help themselves and republicans won't help us.
“OReily isnt fit to clean Limbaughs catbox.”
I agree. When I finally got the new G-sat service here in the Philippines, I was excited because it had FOX News and no CNN.
After about a month, or so, I quit watching FOX at all.
I record Rush, Savage, and Kook to Kook by using Dar.fm, a really great service that will automatically record any radio program for you, and you can play them back at your leisure.
You can also fast forward through commercials and breaks.
Your computer does not have to be online for it to record your program.
Yes, I am pimping for the guy that started it, as it is so good, and I want him to stay in business.
Look it up...www.dar.fm
Witness John McCain and Mitt Romney, both I dare say are O'Reilly Republicans.
The Democrats will always give moderates someone to vote for, while conservatives will stay home rather than vote against their conscience, morality and common sense!
Bill O'Really is no conservative.
Only in the weakest of minds does that animal exist.
Rush referring to O’Reilly as “Ted Baxter” cracks me up every time.
O’Reilly loves himself. . simple. .end of story. . .nothing more to O’Reilly than that.
He’s not in favor of it, he just knows that we lost. It’s called realism.
He in fact did say that, and sadly not liking the truth will not stop the Court from ruling just that. He recognizes the handwriting on the wall so to speak.
We are only willing to complain, when we take to the streets let me know.
Bill O thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Rush IS the smartest guy in the room.
At least Ted Baxter was entertaining. O’Reilly is just a blowhard.
Limbaugh’s statements last week were a far greater victory for gay marriage than O’Reilly’s. Whatever Limbaugh, believes personally, he declared victory last week for the gay marriage side. The fact that a person who is considered so popular declared unilaterally that gay marriage was a done deal, and fighting it was worthless is a huge thing.
In the past, Bill O’Reilly has articulated he believed in certain conservative positions and why. He may have abandoned those positions, but he was on record at one time. Limbaugh makes fun of Democrats and lefties to the nth degree, but has he ever actually said he believed in any conservative positions? Maybe that he is anti-tax? I have never heard him say he is pro-life, or explain why someone should be pro-life. He may think Democrats are too extreme on social issues, but was there ever any evidence that he actually believed conservative positions on social issues?
People are just tired of hearing the gays whine, it’s like they just want to get it over with so they’ll finally STFU.
Of course, they aren’t going to shut up even when they get gay marriage.
You don’t know Rush.
I don’t think people are sick of them whining. A majority of people now think that gays should be an object of sympathy and are being mistreated. Any whining worked.
I can only judge by what he says publicly. I have no idea his private opinions are. He is unfairly accused by the left of being a yelling, hateful person. He is not that at all. He jokes, he makes fun of people, but at the end of the day, he does little talking about conservative positions. Explaining his views of what the president, or the left, or the media is doing to manipulate public opinion is not a conservative position.
He did say that on his show last week, however it needs to be put in context. He is not saying he wants gay marriage
he is saying that if left up to the Republicans in congress it will happen at least that is how I understood what Rush said and meant. I don’t see how anyone could argue that most of the Repubs in congress do tend to go along to get along.
Can you show me a citation of Limbaugh saying he was pro-life? In the 90s, didn’t he say he was not anti-abortion, but feminists were too extreme in their abortion beliefs?
“BOR is a spinner, not at all looking out, for YOU! “
BOR IS looking out for BOR’s wallet. That’s his bottom line. I swore off this “pompous turd” on last November 7th, adding in the rest of the Faux News “team” to boot. Now if they would give Greg Gutfeld a prime time spot w/o that other fatuous turd, Bob Beckel, I might watch.
He has said he is pro life. Do you listen to his show?I listen to Rush everyday and I respect him and I don’t question his conservatism.
Only a liberal or some other kind of ignoramus would call 0’Reilly a conservative.
From his 35 Undeniable Truths of Life
#21. Abortion is wrong.
#22. Morality is not defined and cannot be defined by individual choice.
When did he say that? I thought he said in the 90s he wasn’t anti-abortion? Of all the times I have heard Rush Limbaugh, I think he always avoids talking about abortion. In 20 years, I only remember him making fun of Planned Parenthood or something for being too extreme, maybe twice in 20 years. Doesn’t he try to avoid talking about abortion at all?
Can you post a link?
Also one of his most infamous skits was the “Caller Abortions”:
For two weeks in 1989, on his Sacramento radio show, Limbaugh performed “caller abortions” where he would end a call suddenly to the sounds of a vacuum cleaner and a scream. He would then deny that he had “hung up” on the caller, which he had promised not to do. Limbaugh claims that he used this gag to illustrate “the tragedy of abortion” as well as to highlight the question of whether abortion constitutes murder.
That statement is very telling to me. You are saying you don't question his conservatism. You don't claim he elaborates it explicitly. From his constant attacks on Democrats, I think people on the left and the right ASSUME his conservatism. They may be right. I am not trying to attack Limbaugh, I am just trying to parse what he actually says. He seems to avoid talking about social issues, and he seems to let people fill in the gray areas of his beliefs, but only talking in certain areas.
Blowreilly also had the same “epiphany” with homosexual adoptions. He said he wasn’t for it, then rosie odonut came on his show and he practically gushed over her and declared homosexual adoption a wonderful institution.
Also one of his most infamous skits was the Caller Abortions:
Wow, to me it sounds like he is mocking the pro-life movement with that bit. Does that really sound pro-life to you? I don't think pro-lifers I know would like that skit. And it seems to be portraying pro-lifers as wack jobs. Maybe, if he has pro-life beliefs today, they came later. That really sounds anti-pro-life to me.
Pay attention especially to this part....I remember this from his old TV Show:
“But you can’t teach the Ten Commandments because that stems from somebody’s religion. Why do kids take guns into schools? Because they have no respect for the sanctity of life. I’ve told you that time and time again. You can’t have a million-and-a-half abortions every year in this country for all the years that we’ve had, folks, without life itself being cheapened.”
I get what you are saying.
Rush saying that homosexual marriage is inevitable was a great victory for homosexual marriage??? How about republicans in office declaring that homosexual marriage is inevitable was a great victory for homosexual marriage.
It’s over. The progressives and homosexuals have won. Homosexual marriage is happening, whether you like it or not. Rush was just the reporting delivering the news.
Marriage “equality” relegates the vulva to the anus. It’s a misogynistic agenda.
I heard Rush say myself that it looked like in time we will lose....that we cannot stop it
Even if we win this time they will keep coming back till enough judges vote their way
More or less like that
I think Rush has become ...like myself...more aware that true conservatism is in a demographic hole
He like me again...does not for an instant think Mexicans are natural conservatives
“If they are then why do the Dems want them legal so bad?”
This article suggests that O’Reilly is a conservative. Right, and I’m the next King of England.
Your comment reflects profound stupidity.
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