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Why NRA says background checks lead to confiscation
chron.com ^ | 30 March, 2013 | Dan Freedman

Posted on 03/31/2013 5:47:39 AM PDT by marktwain

WASHINGTON - Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., insists his universal background check measure will reduce crime without infringing on "your ability to borrow your Uncle Willie's hunting rifle or share a gun with your friend at a shooting range."

But the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights advocates paint a dark picture of expanding background checks to private purchases, insisting the move inevitably would lead to a national firearms registry.

With a registry in place, they say, the stage would be set for the NRA's worst nightmare - gun confiscations.

The background check proposal, part of a post-Newtown Senate package facing an uphill climb on Capitol Hill, is "aimed at one thing … registering your guns," said NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre in February. "When another tragic 'opportunity' presents itself, that registry will be used to confiscate your guns."

Soon NRA allies in Washington were picking up the beat.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: backgroundchecks; banglist; confiscation; guncontrol; registration; secondamendment
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This article gives some of the Constitutionalists side of the argument, so it is progress. It would have been nice if they had the clip of Schumer on tape saying that he was pushing for registration, or noting that a ban on future production or importation of machine guns for private citizens was put in effect in 1986.
1 posted on 03/31/2013 5:47:39 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The tyrant’s calculus:

Registration equals confiscation.


2 posted on 03/31/2013 5:54:39 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: marktwain

Schemer is lying. Confiscation is the end goal.


3 posted on 03/31/2013 5:54:45 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: VRW Conspirator

I, for one, do not need an explanation why. Even a long and convoluted one.

You simply cannot fulfill the BS stated goals of “keeping guns away from those who shouldn’t have them” with Universal Background checks. They are USELESS without tracking - which is what they will implement after they get the checks. Tracking = Registration, and Registration is just Confiscation not yet executed.

I won’t comply, I won’t register and I won’t surrender them. They’ll have to come and get them - at least what they’ll be able to find.


4 posted on 03/31/2013 6:02:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Lurker

Lurker~:”.. Confiscation is the end goal. “

The Demorats of NY already released their agenda when the issue came before the State Senate at 11:20 PM.
Confiscation was already there.

Mario’s “Half-man” ( or little -me )had said that the legislation had been in the planning staqe for months .
Obviously , unarmed police officers must be considered expendable in Gracie mansion.


5 posted on 03/31/2013 6:04:24 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: VRW Conspirator

You are correct:

Gun Registration is Gun Confiscation

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/gun-registration-is-gun-confiscation.html


6 posted on 03/31/2013 6:06:35 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Lurker
Schemer is lying. Confiscation is the end goal.

That statement be repeated again and again, because it is true.

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Schemer IS lying. Confiscation is the end goal.

7 posted on 03/31/2013 6:08:43 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: marktwain
With a registry in place, they say, the stage would be set for the NRA's a Free People's worst nightmare - gun confiscations.

The NRA is a huge proponent for us, but we mustn't let it become the defacto prime adversary to the grabbers - the People are the prime adversary.

8 posted on 03/31/2013 6:16:21 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: marktwain

During the hurricane in New Orleans, the police went door to door collecting guns. How did they know which doors to go to? BTW, this was precisely when people needed their guns.


9 posted on 03/31/2013 6:19:11 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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The current background check system has failed in many cases to stop purchases by those with criminal records and the mental issues.

Rather than fix the current system, liberals want to expand it, ensuring we will have more failures in the future that can lead to more restrictions.

Liberals have never supported any measure that meaningfully reduces crime rates.

They need crimes so they can keep expanding gov’t power under the disguise of “protection”.


10 posted on 03/31/2013 6:23:15 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: TYVets
BLUF - What Federal Program hasn't expanded well beyond its stated objectives?

BLUF - No Congress is bound by any agreement or law written by a previous Congress.

BLUF - If you want to see the penultimate example of what the NRA is worried about take a look at the Federal Income Tax legislation. Look at what it start off at and where it got during the Ike years.

The NRA and any citizen with more than two working brain cells should be worried about “its only registration”.

11 posted on 03/31/2013 6:23:36 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: marktwain
The NRA talks out of both sides of its mouth:

Private Sales Restrictions and Gun Registration, January 17, 2013

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which became operational in 1998, verifies that a person seeking to buy a firearm from a gun dealer is not prohibited from doing so by federal or state law. The National Rifle Association supported its establishment. Gun control supporters opposed NICS, preferring to require a gun purchaser to wait several days after stating the desire to buy a gun, before receiving it from a firearm dealer.

12 posted on 03/31/2013 6:29:38 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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My expectation is that the law will have a requirement for prior registration if you want to sell. If you don’t have evidence of prior registration, then you have an illegal gun, and are subject to having your home searched.

Of course if an officer performing his search is short on his quota that month you can expect to have your house seeded with something that assures you are found guilty of something.


13 posted on 03/31/2013 6:30:40 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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I can’t think of one gun contol law that would stop a mass shooting, but every time we have a mass shooting, we get more gun control laws. Not so much (yet) at the federal level, but the states are killing us.

But.......... try to imagine a Newtown taking place with a dem super-majority in both houses and a leftist dem prez.

If SCOTUS doesn’t give us some relief, the day will come when the dems will get our guns.


14 posted on 03/31/2013 6:31:03 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: VRW Conspirator

“Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., insists...]

Who give’s a rat’s rear end what this fool utters from his considerable pie-hole. One day this man will return to civilian life, and will quickly find himself unable to safely walk the streets among his fellow countrymen, whom he has “served” these many years.


15 posted on 03/31/2013 6:31:53 AM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Gaffer

Even tracking honest citizens does not restrict criminals.


16 posted on 03/31/2013 6:32:43 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: marktwain

Once the government knows who has what fire arms confiscation is easy. Ban a certain type of fire arm and simply send gun grabbing goon squads to seize those weapons from anyone listed as having them. Limit the number of fire arms one can have and ditto. Being treated for depression or anxiety.. cross tabulate your Obamacare medical records with the gun registration lists and confiscate the weapons. I could even see that government snooping on the web sites you visit could be used as a reason to grab your guns.


17 posted on 03/31/2013 6:38:42 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Gaffer

“I won’t comply...I won’t surrender them.”

I think their first move would be patterned after the IRS methodology. With gun registration, you would be told to bring your guns in to an appointed federal depot. If you did not, a few computer entries would be made, and your bank account, etc. would be seized.


18 posted on 03/31/2013 6:53:07 AM PDT by odawg
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To: marktwain
Smokin Joe said "this is only the beginning" and also said, "we need more gun laws because we can't enforce the ones on the books" (or something to that effect).

Think about that second statement.

19 posted on 03/31/2013 6:56:18 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: marktwain

If you have lived long enough and paid attention to politics, you will have well realized that any mention of a new rule or regulation brought up by the government for consideration ALWAYS AND WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME LAW!

This applies from local governments up to the federal level.

It has never failed. It always happens. It may take many years but the concept originally presented will eventually be the law of the land.

The ONLY solution to the problem is TERM LIMITS and “that ain’t gonna happen.” Those in power are in power for life and they sure as hell will not limit their power or reign of corruption and pandering.


20 posted on 03/31/2013 6:57:55 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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